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[–]tyciol23 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
This is a step in the right direction but it's still full of embracing the "real men" and "real women" cliche.
Any man that is not a 'real man' is not a man.
Any women that is not a 'real woman' is not a woman.
You may as well use bullshit phrases like 'anaerobic glycolysis'.
Glycolysis can't be fucking aerobic.
Men and women can't be 'unreal' even though that's an awesome game.
Even shitty men and shitty women are still 'real'.
Fuck this 'real' shit.
[–]CrossHook5 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
A woman pretending to be a man is a "fake man."
The term holds merit.
[–]blarghargh27 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
What are you talking about?
[–]CrossHook3 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I'm defining what a "fake man" is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah_Sampson
[–]CSG222 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
That's somewhat transphobic...
[–]Ripowal1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Because this is clearly what the OP was addressing...
[–]Bodertz2 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Hey, now! Humour is relative!
[–]tyciol1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I suppose, long as we don't use it rudely 'gainst no FtMs.
But this clearly isn't the context it's being used in. The implication is that males are not 'real men' if they do not do or think certain things, which is false.
The only truly male thing is the Y chromozone I think. Much as I hate how this is a blow to transideas, I don't think there's any one trait we can isolate to either gender, even if we do observe tendency in how either tends to act.
No matter how 'unmanly' a man is, it doesn't make him 'not a real man' if he deviates from manly trends or ideals.
[–]espoira2 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You hit the nail on the head. Right there. A woman, and a man, is someone who treats people equally, which I believe is what we should strive for. This crap of what a man represents and what a woman represents in today's stereotypical society is bogus. Day to day, month to month and year to year that changes. What's inside is what counts.
[–]Djinneral3 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
nononono, you're taking him completely out of context, a man or a woman is not determined by their actions or beliefs, they simply are because they are.
[–]Neurotikitty3 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
A decent man (or a decent woman) is someone who treats people equally. But if you happen to meet a childish, bigoted, asshole of a person... that person is still a real man or woman. They just suck as human beings.
A woman, and a man, is someone who treats people equally, which I believe is what we should strive for
No, that's fucking stupid. You're still a man or a woman if you don't treat people equally. That we should strive to be nice, moral, be equal to others, feed the poor, etc. doesn't matter a hill of beans to whether or not you are a 'man' or a 'woman'.
Bad men are still men, bad women are still women.
This crap of what a man represents and what a woman represents in today's stereotypical society is bogus.
That doesn't mean we should start making up stupid bullshit about 'oh hey if you are honorable, you are a man/woman. If there are traits that make either gender, they are not exactly gender-defining virtues, are they?
We should strive to be virtuous for virtues' own merits, not because they define a gender role.
[–]luxury_banana19 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Unfortunately "curves" are often confused with... something else. The word "curvy" to describe body type has become tainted in recent years. A sad potato-shaped body is not "curvy."
[–]Abbrevi83 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Technically convex could be said to be curvy.
[–]luxury_banana6 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Yes I suppose so but we're talking about "curvy" in terms of sexually attractive feminine body shapes here.
[–]Abbrevi81 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I know, it's just that a lot of men are shamed by the media into not liking convex shapes.
[–]Piroko17 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Real curvy is concave not convex.
[–]drgfromoregon4 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
thank you for setting the record straight on this post that totally has to do with Mens Rights, o great final-authority-on-what-certain-words-mean
[–]Collective8216 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Is it so wrong that I am skinny and want a girl my build not some one who will cause me issues do to size?
[–]Abbrevi82 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Why do you think that what you want might be wrong? Why do you care?
[–]Collective8210 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I was stating what I used to say when people questioned my tastes.
[–]Abbrevi84 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
My bad
[–]Collective823 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
No problem. My fault for not showing it as rhetorical.
[–]Idiopathic770 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
As a guy who could never top 165lbs at 6 foot even, from 10th grade till he hit 35; When I was questioned as to my preferences, I always said "Coach told me once 'Never wrestle out of your weight class son' and coach was a wise man".
[–]Collective821 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Nice!
[–]geengaween12 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Sometimes I feel like the only guy who likes both chubby girls and skinny girls. As long as they've got a pretty face and are not obese, I am attracted.
[–]luxury_banana14 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
No, most guys are fine with "chubby" as long as "chubby" isn't really obese and morbidly obese.
[–]Hirudin7 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Morbidly curvy...
[–]fia_bui6 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Even then, you'd probably be surprised as to what is medically defined as morbidly obese. It's not as big as people think.
[–]Abbrevi812 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
"Curvy " isn't as big as people think it is either.
[–]CrossHook2 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Curvy means big hips and big tits with a small waist.
Hourglass figure.
It's not rare. I have a mate who likes slightly chubby as well.
[–]fia_bui10 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
It's not rare in the slightest. The conception that men all prefer thin women seems to be mostly based on fashion magazines and the movie industry.
I didn't say it was rare, and I doubt pop culture has much to do with male preference in women. I prefer petite women myself.
[–]allworkandlowpay4 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Subconscious genetic trait selection is a far more likely and more powerful drive for picking mates.
[–]allworkandlowpay3 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
More shit that women honestly do to themselves and then blame on patriarchy. Fashion mags throw things out there looking to see what will sell, women buy it, so the fashion industry curves to the direction where women were buying, continuing the circle.
[–]Abbrevi87 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I want a woman with a waist that is slimmer than her hips
[–]smegnose12 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Duh.
[–]Abbrevi8-4 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Some bitches think I should love "curvy women" though, and that my preference for thin women is the result of the MSM conditioning me to think that thin women are more beautiful than lard arse land whales.
Hell, some men think that too.
[–]smegnose5 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
It's just ignorance.
[–]tyciol5 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Clearly they don't understand evolutionary psychology.
Even if it were a pure product of memes though, it would still be valid.
[–]carthrowaway553 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
3edgy
[–]allworkandlowpay5 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
These type of women often like to criticize men for their sexual selections but then don't seem to see the hypocrisy over wanting this over this
[–]Hydris2 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
It's simple really. We live in a society where the women are more often than not the ones that get to be more selective. When that premiss is flipped on them and they are the ones that being told no they get defensive and have to justify it by saying nothing is wrong with themselves but it must be the guy thats wrong.
[–]KnightsWhoSayNii3 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Real men don't listen to what "real men do".
Yes I know, it's a paradoxical statement.
[–]baskandpurr1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
But true, I don't act like the 'real man' stereotype at all, because that would be fake.
[–]nonservator3 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
"Real women have curves, not excess adipose tissue."
[–]Basas1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
It appears that some people are just not real...
[–]HAQ_be1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I like it!
[–][deleted]1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I'm wondering where the offense stemmed from when the edit from the original e-card stems is essentially saying, "Men are allowed to make their own choices in regard to what they are attracted to, women should not dictate what they themselves should look like or classify a man based on whom he is attracted to."
edit; *whom
[–]VaginalAssaultRifles0 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Isn't it funny how "real men" are always the most weak-willed, spineless jellyfish out there?
[–]MRMRising-2 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
...And more anti-male shamming language. Got news for you ladies, it does not work anymore. By all means, keep it up, MGTOW is a big tent.
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