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Q4BP: What is the difference between being confident and being alpha?

firewatchersdaughter

December 5, 2018
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Title Q4BP: What is the difference between being confident and being alpha?
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firewatchersdaughter

Upvotes 0
Comments 25
Date December 5, 2018 7:43 PM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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[–]BleuBird189 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would never describe anyone as 'alpha' unless it was to troll them. The only things that come to mind when I hear people describe 'chad' or 'alphas' says more to me about the person providing the description, than it does about what those words are supposed to embody.

The way twerps use it seems conveniently vague and adaptable. It just means "any behavior they deem to be succesful or masculine"... but it changes and shifts, similar to all their other terms.

Anyone can be confident, but having confidence doesn't mean that person will be well liked or popular.

[–]Uncommon_Sensed_1234 1 points1 points1 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Any man can act with confidence but an alpha has confidence, looks, social status and financial status.

[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

An alpha doesn't need looks or financial status.

[–]reluctantly_red2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He needs enough of both for his subgroup.

[–]chloapsoap2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Alpha implies a certain degree of machismo. It implies competitiveness mostly. You can be confident without acting macho/competitive.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The word alpha has so much baggage at this point that I can't take it seriously. All I can hear is Sebastian Gorka's weird voice saying "the alpha males are back" and it makes me snerk. Before it was completely ruined by the internet, I'd say the difference is that a "non-alpha" person can still be confident about things. An otherwise soft-spoken stay at home mom might speak with confidence about a subject she knows a lot about. I suppose confidence is about surety, while alpha is more about an outward projection of control. Under the right circumstances, you could be both confident and not alpha as well as alpha but not confident.

[–]agloelita1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

From what i can understand being confident is about you in that you know your capabilities and might even take pride i them. You believe in your triumphs. Being alpha on the other hand i am told is about dominating others.

[–]UnconfidenceSocial Anarchist - BP1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Alpha is a position of hierarchy. Confidence is not.

[–]PennnyLameMade a margarita once1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

In my opinion, confidence is certainty of the value you bring to the situation and being accurate in your self assessment.

Alpha behaviors and traits are self assuredness, spontaneity, selfishness, lack of inhibitions, visual indicators of physical strength (height, muscles, masculine features) etc.

There is overlap.

[–]CreightonWAbramsStacey loves trilobites0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd say that "alpha" corresponds highly to what TRP refers to as "frame." The sub puts a lot of emphasis on getting women to buy into a terp's frame, in a sexual context. Natural alphas, on the other hand, exist in their own frame in all respects, not just sexual. Many of them find it difficult or impossible to exist in anybody else's frame, even for the sake of holding down a job for more than ten consecutive seconds. It encompasses self-assuredness, selfishness, lack of inhibition, a lot of the things you mentioned.

This is why I chuckle warmly when I see systems analysts talking about their "unparalleled frame." Guys with immutable alpha frame don't go to college in the first damned place.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yeh

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[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Confidence is merely a trait that an alpha must possess

[–]TheBookOfSeilCuckleberry Finn0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Being confident means you simply know and are comfortable with yourself and what you’re capable of.

Being “alpha” is probably an exaggerated sense of confidence, to the point of over-compensating for your actual lack of confidence, or not wanting to show the weakness that you DO have.

[–]yaseedog will hunt0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't really know how alpha is defined around here anymore. I guess personally if I had to pick traits that make up an alpha type dude confidence would be among them

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Alphas are born. You can't become an alpha.

But you can become a high value confident man.

Alphas have an undefinable something about them that women want to fuck and men want to follow.

[–]verticordiaunlikeable but self aware0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think they're the same thing. Any guy I see that has a girlfriend or wife or is genuinely happy being single and doesn't feel the need to talk about dating strategies or how lonely he is, that knows how to present himself, and has emotional intelligence is pretty alpha to me.

[–]TheMedsPedsBlue Pill Woman0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When I hear the word alpha I think of a dickhead/macho douche that tries to dominate everyone and actively tries to be above women and other men. Confidence just means you don't have social anxiety nor self-esteem problems (you don't stutter over your words, try to avoid eye contact, are afraid of confrontation.)

[–]petrichordiummidsommar pill0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Confidence can exist in a vacuum or in the middle of the woods.

“Alpha” requires a social framework. A man who slays with women may be “alpha” to men or women who look up to him, but he may also be a professional non entity. Similarly, the Alpha of your office may be a cheesy insufferable blight to women. Obviously the men lauded as super Alpha by redpill types will often exhibit both qualities, but in general alpha is contextual. Zen koan: if a Chad Alphas in the woods but no one is there to hear it, does he increase his SMV?

Confidence exists on its own terms.

[–]KikiYuyuPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Everything I've heard about an "alpha" has painted a clear picture for me: Domineering, intimidating, self-centered, over-confident, overall a force to be reckoned with.

You can be confident without being cocky, pushy, or bullyish.

[–]wobbleelbbow 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

But then you won't get pussy. Men want pussy

[–]KikiYuyuPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Not all women want a domineering asshole. I sure don't, and I don't personally know a woman who does.

[–]wobbleelbbow 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Of course not all, but many do, and most do subconsciously.

[–]KikiYuyuPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I have a hard time believing that. I know it's a trend, but most?

[–]wobbleelbbow 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well domineering asshole is a bit much of an hyperbole creating wrong image in people's heads that's why many find it repulsive. However it is just another way of saying women do NOT want "a nice guy", at least not pre-wall women who still wanna have fun and do not think about babies and playing wife and husband. They want a guy who's assertive, doesn't take shit and is almost always called "an asshole" by beta men (who are jealous of his success with women) and women, who just can't admit that such men attract their attention (by not submitting to their demands) and give them tingles much more than regular average frustrated chumps who buy flowers on first date or who blush when talk to women.

So again, domineering asshole is just a hyperbole, just like "chad". But it's there, such men have certain "assholish attributes" or how I would say, they simply lack "nice guy" attributes. They are not overly nice. They may be, sometimes, to some women, occasionally, but for the most part they are selfish and prefer when they come first. Literally and figuratively. They rarely are obsessed with pleasing a woman first then cuming second. They cum first too, most of the time. And because of that they are "assholes", with quotes or without it, depends how you look at it.

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