Question for TRPers. Do you actually offer anything of value to women? How could you benefit a woman's life in any way?

[deleted] · 2014-03-03T17:04:54+00:00

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aaron_the_just · 2014-03-03T15:00:11+00:00

I dunno, ask the women in my life? I've actually posited this question to my plates.

Ex-wife: "I value your friendship, especially since I know it comes with no strings attached. You aren't trying to get anything from me. If you want sex you're honest about it and don't pretend to want to hang out with me just to get sex. You aren't needy like my boyfriend. You genuinely appreciate financial help I give you and don't demand/expect it. You never yell at me anymore."

Ex-gf #1: "I'm really mostly here for the sex. The other guys who like me just aren't attractive to me. I don't know why, but I'm just not into them. I don't feel dirty or like a slut when I sleep with you because you take charge."

Ex-gf #2: "I like that you tell me 'no' and will tell me to go to the doctor instead of ignoring problems when I'm sick. I really appreciate how you took care of me last summer when I was in the hospital and had no money and I won't ever forget that. I like that you're constantly pushing me to go to grad school even when I feel like giving up. I just wish you wanted to move to the same city as me, but I respect that you aren't willing to change your life just to be with me."

Incidentally all three women masturbate and seem to prefer sex with me (and the boyfriend, in the case of the ex-wife) to chronic masturbation.

They all have jobs and make their own money. We don't really share financial resources, other than the ex-wife making me some loans, which I'm dutiful about repaying.

MissPearl · 2014-03-03T15:01:50+00:00

I don't understand why anyone would want a relationship at all

I think that this puts you in a somewhat biased position because at this point pretty much nobody has anything to offer you. I think in other threads you stated you weren't really looking for more friends either, so that implies that most people have nothing to offer you.

She gets nothing out of sex besides negativity.

You mean you do, or every woman ever?

I happen to rather enjoy sex, regardless of the fact that I've been capable of bringing myself off since I was a teenager and I've yet to hook up with a person who could give me orgasms via any aspect of physical stimulus (not for lack of talent on their part either).

Nonetheless, either from a physical standpoint (being touched, touching man parts) or a mentally stimulating standpoint, good sex with an attractive person is inherently rewarding for many people.

redpillers seem to think they are more special than other men

The idea is that they have A+++ social skills. Theory differs from practice, of course.

still_very_alive · 2014-03-03T14:54:41+00:00

Going by the scenario in your post, how do all men offer anything of value to women?

trabant00 · 2014-03-03T16:47:36+00:00

How is this different from your last thread?

I hate playing internet Freud, but you seen to have some issues with trust and intimacy. What does a man have to offer to a woman? Nothing if you want to see things that way. But if you do, life in general has nothing to offer to you.

aaron_the_just · 2014-03-03T15:02:03+00:00

"needy, desperate women" -> surprise: all humans are lonely creatures who crave companionship and love.

"Aren't you needy and desperate yourself for even desiring sex?" -> yes, wanting/desiring sex does make me "need" it.

I would posit that I'm not in any relationships with women who consider the idea of marriage, children, relationships, love, and sex repulsive. I actually have a friend who feels that way. She's just plain not interested in any of those things. Consequently I'm not trying to get any of those things from her, or offering them in return.

GridReXX · 2014-03-03T21:44:47+00:00

I like this question, but it's language is incendiary and unnecessarily so.

But I would like to rephrase the question.

If a woman doesn't want kids or your money, and let's say, only wants you because she desires you, has a connection with you, wants to fuck you forever... is this such a bad thing?

It seems TRP men are afraid of this dynamic where a woman doesn't a need a man, but instead wants a man. They take it as an insult. They take the "fish/bicycle" quote as an insult. When it isn't. If anything it heightens the importance of an actual bond between two people... and yes a more balanced dynamic.

It sometimes feel as though TRP men think they have nothing to offer a partner besides their semen and their money.

And to me this feels lacking... like they're afraid of a relationship built on love and passion and mutual respect and compatibility.

I don't understand the mindset ... isn't it more satisfying to date someone because they WANT you?

fasterfind · 2014-03-03T18:24:27+00:00

Not a Terper, but your question has obvious answers because it's actually flawed. People don't just 'have enough' of something they need. They always enjoy 'more' of something good. More social validation, more platonic friends, sometimes even more sex partners.

Everybody wants and welcomes different amounts of everything.

The question is also a 'loaded' question which implies bias against red pillers. I'm biased against them too, but I think it's important to be fair and objective. I.e. don't slip an insult into the question "You guys think you're manlier than all the other men, so I want to know what you think about..."

shitlordlucy · 2014-03-03T19:42:32+00:00

This is one reason why TRP has a huge issue with women who make money, don't want children and don't need sex for validation. For the record I'm a more traditional woman, but it's clear that women who don't "need" men anger TRP more than anything. However I disagree that women who DO want kids/marriage are "needy". That's really ridiculous. Oh wow, I'm disagreeing with TRP and TBP. Typical for me.

Anyway, in general TRP is based off selfishness and "instinct" and the men there are not concerned with what they offer a woman. Take a look at ROK "why society owes men sex". The idea is that they deserve sex by virtue of just showing up and being as alfafa as possible, and that any woman who doesn't have sex with them is a bitch--and woman who has sex with them too soon is a slut (was called a frigid bitch on TRP because I said i waited 3 weeks to sex my SO. The horror!)

Also, side note- I think it's far weirder to not want any form of human companionship than to be dependent on it.

StabbyPants · 2014-03-03T21:03:09+00:00

She gets nothing out of sex besides negativity.

I'd recommend you not date. Because you don't want children, relationships, nor sex. Nothing there for you.

pillburt · 2014-03-03T14:40:06+00:00

Just because you don't want kids doesn't mean your biological imperatives suddenly stop. It's like trying to lose weight- just because your goals changed and you change your food intake, doesn't stop you from being hungry.

fiat_lux_ · 2014-03-03T19:26:13+00:00

On a rp level, I suppose one thing I find admirable about them is that the top voted advice there usually advocates for taking personal responsibility. The bitching and moaning by some is another matter, but that's usually not serious advice, but just venting.

On a personal level, I don't consider myself that negative. Maybe online, because that's where I choose to vent. But offline, I'm pretty supportive for the most part and understand that some people work better only with encouragement, and some people (like myself) work better after a swift kick in the ass.

I've done a lot for female friends, family, and relationships. I put sincere effort into the successes of people around me, but used to be a bit biased in favour of women. I've helped several get into top USA colleges (did as much as I could short of sucking college admissions officers' dicks). Even helped support a couple extended family members through college financially (all women, what's up with that? Men just don't get help or don't seek it). I've done a lot of volunteer work for people and animals, not just as school activities. I don't consider myself that selfish… Most people I've been involved with, even employers, are better off having known me, and I take pride in that.

If you or any other woman wants to be "a strong independent woman who don't need no man" (WGTOW), then more power to you. My only concern is that it might not be the healthiest attitude for a society, especially if too many others have the same attitude. There's not enough that I oppose about it on an individual level though. I'm not sure if even rpers would care. Many might see society falling apart, but they expressly only care to take advantage of what's going on.

masterrod · 2014-03-03T20:18:12+00:00

?If a woman has no need for social validation (relationships)

Good luck finding a woman like that.

doesn't want children,

Some people don't' want to children.

why should she bother with you?

Because that type of choice isn't necessarily logical.

She gets nothing out of sex besides negativity.

Surely, RP is all about positive reinforcement of pleasurable activities. She gets enough to stay, what else is there?

If she wants an orgasm she could masturbate.

True, we all could. But sex is so much fun.

No need to rely on a man when she could make her own money (this isn't the 50s).

True also.

So by definition aren't you just going for needy, desperate women?

Going for women that need and want a passionate experience, and maintaining that experience through behavior inside of an LTR. There are limitations, but that is the idea.

Aren't you needy and desperate yourself for even desiring sex?

In a way you are correct. The idea is to not to need sex so much that you will sacrifice your wants, and lifestyle to bed one single woman. If so there must be equitable transfer from that woman.

[deleted] · 2014-03-04T02:25:20+00:00

If a woman has no need for social validation (relationships) and doesn't want children, why should she bother with you?

Not a redpiller, but the answer is clear:

She oughtn't.

sh1v · 2014-03-05T06:22:16+00:00

Have you heard of MGTOWs? You could probably go make the female version, you'd get a lot of help from them as their much larger group has an active desire to separate the sexes as well. Probably a lot more rabidly against relationships than even you.

robesta · 2014-03-05T18:10:57+00:00

Red Pillers are more valuable than many other men in that they recognize their own value.

I know what I have to offer women. These few items are just the tip of the iceberg:

A strong, masculine physique.
An energy and strength on which she can steady herself.
A fun, flirtatious vibe which brings out her femininity.
Deep stimulating conversations on a wide range of topics.
Libido and desire. I want women in a way her vibrators can't comprehend.
Orgasms. I know my way around a woman's body.

[deleted] · 2014-03-05T20:44:35+00:00

I'm sorry if this has already been posted but; are you just needy and desperate for desiring air/food/water/shelter?

pdx_rp · 2014-03-05T21:56:39+00:00

If a woman has no need for social validation (relationships) and doesn't want children, why should she bother with you?

And yet here you are.

AdmiralVonJackass · 2014-03-03T19:01:32+00:00

We offer masculine influence, and all the positive lifestyle benefits that it provides.

What do you offer us?

nninja · 2014-03-03T14:53:44+00:00

Because we're humans and we're social creatures. A man can offer a woman emotional stability, like a calming force. Imagine a typical family, mom dad kids, disaster strikes, who is usually the most calm and collected? The dad right? The man knows if he freaks out everyone freaks out. We expect women to be a bit more emotional and worrisome, men and women have different energies that complement each other.

Title	Question for TRPers. Do you actually offer anything of value to women? How could you benefit a woman's life in any way?
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Date	March 3, 2014 2:21 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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