TRP TBP TPP...?

cats_or_get_out · 2016-10-04T21:54:28+00:00

I see you responded with "I am a female..." as the beginning of one of your downvoted comments. This is a very annoying phrase to that demographic. It's like the woman equivalent of mansplaining.

Just give good RP advice and move on. We also have a no "as a man" or "man here" policy on RPWi. If you're not giving RP advice, then don't comment on an RP sub.

People often go into anecdotal land with advice threads. This seems to be the least helpful way (or at least the least receptive way) to provide information on these subs. Look back at your comments and see how many times you say "I" and refer to your own experiences. If it's a significant amount, then try to move away from personal anecdotes ('cause it's about the OP, not you).

And realize that some people just love to downvote. Hahaha Let it roll like water off a duck's back :-)

alreadyredschool · 2016-10-04T20:08:05+00:00

As a man I got to say that prefacing anything with my gender makes me look like an attention whore.

PPD is for reds and blues to discuss gender relations without shit flinging.

fiat_lux_ · 2016-10-04T20:14:01+00:00

I'm female (I'll always preface with that fact)

Don't do that. "There are no girls on the internet" is meant to promote content that doesn't rely on ethos/pathos of the writer.

It's the same reason they autokick people who preface their advice with "as a man" in the RedPillWives subreddit.

ThirdEyeSqueegeed · 2016-10-04T20:09:03+00:00

Purple Pill Debate is a debate sub where we (sort of) debate the topics of TRP and gender differences in general.

Your advice on AskTRP will be getting down votes because TRP tells men not to take advice from women - since women mostly give men crap advice, or advice that will benefit the woman more so than the man who is asking.

kevin32 · 2016-10-04T21:17:59+00:00

so I offer my similar experience, no judgment, no actual opinion, just an unbiased and rational recount of a situation that is related to what the TRPer's "LTR" or "Plate" might be going through, as to give some sort of perspective for the male user to consider when looking for a solution. Why is this ALWAYS downvoted?

A core principle of TRP is that women are deceptive and manipulative. A common phrase that's used is "What women say and what women do are two different things."

Women tend to relate experiences that paint themselves in a more innocent light than what really happened. Granted, we all tend to exaggerate experiences that put us in more positive light, but it seems women do this habitually to avoid responsibility, while men are generally expected to "Be a man", "have integrity" and admit he was wrong.

So no matter what advice you could give, from a red pill perspective there's a good chance you were fabricating your story to put you in a more positive light, and that you likely did something much different than what you said, something that benefited you and disadvantaged him. The Red Pill exists because so many men have taken women at their word and advice to their detriment.

Not that this will guarantee you any upvotes, but if you want red pill men to be more open to your perspective, the best thing you can do is acknowledge deception and manipulation in women where applicable. Instead of saying "Not all women are like that, and here's my advice on how to fix it", say "YES, women do that. My mother did that to my father, my girlfriend does that to her boyfriend. I've been guilty of doing that. And based on my experience, here's something else she might do if you don't take action now to fix the situation."

As a woman, the best gift you could give a Red Pill man about his situation is understanding, not solutions.

Archwinger · 2016-10-04T21:42:21+00:00

So you're hanging around, surfing Reddit, posting your opinions all willy-nilly, and somebody says "The Red Pill". Curious, you go check it out, and continue to post your opinions all willy-nilly.

Your willy-nilly opinions are bad advice, and people piss on you for your bad advice. You can't possibly imagine that your bad advice is actually bad advice, so you assume that a bunch of sexists are pissing on you because female.

So now you're on some other subreddit complaining about how a different subreddit doesn't appreciate your point of view, when it's so obvious that you have it all figured out.

stonepimpletilists · 2016-10-04T20:03:31+00:00

I'll bet you started off your post with 'as a woman' did you?

Tell you what, instead of writing this post and asking these guys, you could have clicked the sidebar rules, it's explained very clearly why you need to de gender your language. using 'female' as an authority is a non-starter.

Also, you missed rule 0. this is about the mans strategy, perspective, period. You instead (your words) decided to tell him what she is doing, her perspective, what she's going through.

Not helpful for him, those conversations end up painting the girl as some hopeless victim, who has problems that need fixing. Guys instinctively like to fix and rescue shit. That attitude is what gets most guys into the trouble they are in.

So in reality, you think you're helping a guy, in reality, you're setting him up for failure. You aren't malicious, you didn't know any better.

So yeah, it's rejected becuse it's not about helping that guy

cinderlaurella · 2016-10-04T20:19:49+00:00

This is all super helpful, thanks!

diFFzee · 2016-10-04T20:16:47+00:00

Why is this ALWAYS downvoted?

Can you link some examples?

LewisCross · 2016-10-04T21:53:53+00:00

The user is genuinely confused and most TRP users are just telling him to either fuck or dump her...but the initial question is how to FIX the problem...so I offer my similar experience,..... Why is this ALWAYS downvoted?

1) Almost all the time, the best way to fix the problem is to dump her or fuck her.

2) It's askTRP, not askrandomfemale and not askcinderlaurella. they're not asking women for their input. They're asking TRP members. They're asking men what men should do. Men are in a better position to tell another man what to do about a sex problem or a woman problem or a relationship problem.

disposable_pants · 2016-10-04T22:27:31+00:00

Also, the blue pill seems intentionally malicious to TRP members

Yeah, because TBP is a hate sub. They have no other purpose than to talk about how much they hate TRP.

what I don't understand is how antagonizing (the sidebar says that the posts are satirical?) will ever help them to view women as equal emotional and empathetic individuals

Yeah, because TBP is a hate sub. They have no other purpose than to talk about how much they hate TRP.

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Entropy-7 · 2016-10-05T03:30:09+00:00

It's just bad form to announce you are a female about to give advice to a man who is seeking advice from other men (with a particular worldview). Unfortunately, your screen name still gives it away.

You can, however, depersonalize an anecdote by saying "what I have seen is that. . ."

either fuck or dump her

You make an interesting point here. In TRP terms, there seems to be only 3 things you can do: escalate, next, or improve yourself. The rest is just details that are situation specific.

I don't know what sort of advice you were giving, but if it is along the lines of "share your feelings and discuss the relationship" then that will certainly get downvoted.

BeliefEditor · 2016-10-05T14:28:10+00:00

I want to comment on why I think your comments get downvoted.

I'll preface my opinion by stating the obvious but important point that any group, movement, fanbase, subreddit, religion, or anything along those lines which is at its core a gathering of people who share certain specific views or attitudes, is composed of many different individuals who -although they agree on a lot of things that binds their movement together- can have very unique and vastly different personal beliefs, morals, opinions, attitudes and so on. The reason I mention this is because what I'm about to say about the members of TRP obviously doesn't apply to all of them.

I believe that there is a huge, deep, pervasive and widespread kind of ignorance going on in our culture in regards to sexuality, but more specifically in regards to the kinds of things that women are attracted to in men and the kinds of things they're looking for in men and what they need from men in their lives. There is such a tremendous amount of misinformation and straight-up (if well-meaning but misguided) falsities regarding what women want in men, that the vast majority of men are vastly ignorant about this subject. This is not news to any of us here.

Anyone who has ever lived to old age and has had enough experience in life will tell you that, on average, the world could be a better place. What I mean by this specifically isn't the state of affairs of our governments or economies or education or achievements or anything like that, but the quality of the people. And when I say "the quality of the people", I don't mean their quality in regards to being competent, intelligent, hard-working, honest, law-abiding, or anything like that; what I mean is their ability to be a quality human being on the inside. The metric by which you can "measure" this is the degree to which a person can have empathy and compassion for other people (and for all sentient beings for that matter), the degree to which they are kind, caring, loving, patient, helpful, sincere, well-meaning, and so on.

This is relevant because you see it everywhere. The average quality of people is not very good. It isn't as good as it could be. And one of the ways in which you can see this manifest very clearly is whenever there is an instance of mob behavior going on somewhere, for some reason. When people shift from thinking and acting as an individual, to thinking and acting as a group (hivemind), you see their worst traits come out. Agency for oneself is overlooked, and the quality of the people in that group as a whole becomes downgraded to the level of their lowest common denominator. Instead of being more creative, caring and compassionate, they actually become more hostile, uncaring, unempathetic, angatonistic, and destructive.

It's worth noting that the opposite can be true as well, and that there are groups in which the focus of what is being created is entirely positive, and together, they create something bigger together than what they could on their own, and in those cases, the synergy of the group actually works in everyone's favor, they help each other to improve, together.

Now, sometimes, there are groups where the focus is a mixture of the two: there is both negativity and mob behavior, and also synergy and positive creativity. I think this is the case with TRP.

Take a society where there is a deep, widespread and pervasive ignorance regarding women and dating (from the male perspective), add to it the sexual frustration of countless young men born into a generation that suppresses and adminishes their masculinity who don't get as much intimacy as they need, and give them a movement in which (the few and wise founders and leaders) are telling them the whole truth about the way our evolutionary blueprints work, making them realize with a figurative slap in the face that they've wasted years and years of their lives giving in to illusions that served them no good, and making them feel (if they're not mature enough and they blame other people and their circumstances for their problems rather than themselves, anyway) like they've been played and taken for fools their entire lives, and making them feel (again, if they're not mature enough to realize that women aren't evil but normal human beings who are just as clueless as men) like women are evil and conniving and they've been laughing at them the entire life, and what you get as a result is a movement of males that, on average, holds feelings of resentment and bitterness toward women. They perceive women as the enemy.

The men who have the capacity to understand both sides of the situation understand that it is unreasonable to hold the opinion that either gender is evil or conniving or trying to get the other -even after completely swallowing the red pill. I consider myself to be one of those. As such, I really appreciate the kind of input you could give, because it's well-meaning. It's neutral, it's an attempt to have an orderly discussion that's profitable for all parties. But alas, the average quality of the people in a group operating with a mob mentality is pretty low, and as a result, they instinctually feel the need to step on you and shut you up and tell you to get out and that you don't know anything and you're an intruder in their sub and you should be spit on for being a woman. The irony of all this is that you are the very thing they long for day in and day out, what they love so much that it fuels their entire purpose for understanding the red pill in the first place. But they can't allow themselves to go easy on you because they've given in to the limiting belief that we can't be on each other's side.

So anyway, this is a ridiculously long answer to a simple question, but I had to write out the whole background, otherwise it wouldn't be the same as a short answer. I hope it sheds some light on their behavior, although on some level I suspect you already knew all this. Women are always more perceptive than men anyway.

midnightvulpine · 2016-10-05T13:37:55+00:00

TBP has extremist issues, one of the reasons I stopped reading. This sub is about posing questions and debating/arguing about them. All in all its a pretty good spot with good moderation. Feel free to hang out.

sunkindonut149 · 2016-10-05T15:59:44+00:00

I find good advice from both RP and BP perspectives but ultimately I am pro BP because I don't agree with their views in general. But RPers are more honest and not as concerned about muh feelz or whatever.

Title	TRP TBP TPP...?
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Date	October 4, 2016 7:54 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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