Understanding the male value system

Mr_Smoogs · 2018-06-22T18:09:02+00:00

So what is the measure of the value of a man?

Social status + financial status + genetic superiority.

Does the hot ride even matter, like in the myths?

Status signalling is a lot more than myth.

Workaholico · 2018-06-22T18:19:11+00:00

You have ask yourself which value you want to know.

In TRP:

There is the sexual market value, which is the value a sex partner to women, it encompasses mostly by looks, power, status and wealth.

There is (real) maket value, which encompasses mostly wealth in the eyes of women, as it is closed related to the market value most economists talk about. And if you have enough wealth, it increases absurdly the man sexual market value, making the 2 of theese almost synonymous in some cases.

There is the relationship market value, which is like the above sexual market value, but with some tweaks in the proportion of the attributes looks, power, status and wealth. (Like wealth affects a lot more and looks affect a bit less)

And there is values as in each of the attributes: looks, power, status and wealth. As you can give each a numeric representation like: "he is a 10/10 in looks but a 0/10 in power"

Does this make some sense?

About the low value, yes there is a value in many women which the man is not a man anymore, mostly in wealth, but it is rare to woman say that.

Most men just disappear from women perception way before that, men with SMV lower than 4 are not hated, they are not even perceived as mating material, like some people do not perceive beggars in the streets, or workers in some shop, men with low SMV are not even perceived by woman, completely ignored, they are not hated, just forgotten.

Case in point. Take a woman to a party or somewhere she can receive advances, and keep watch, they will be receive advances from multiple men, but she will perceive normally just half or less if you ask latter... I did it with my sister, she didn't perceive even a third of the guys. That is what I am talking about.

Five_Decades · 2018-06-22T23:21:27+00:00

You are valuable if the woman judging you says you are valuable. There are general guidelines as well as subjective ones to that.

Are you still high value, even if you lift look hot but you're flat ass broke?

That reminds me of a post someone from China said. He said in China that there are lots of construction workers who have excellent bodies. They are muscular and ripped, but women don't want them. Women there care more about socioeconomic status.

So it depends on what the woman wants which can vary based on multiple things.

Truly high value men have social status. Celebrities or politicians can easily rack up 4 or 5 figure N counts.

MercedesBenzoAMG · 2018-06-23T00:48:49+00:00

All internet pontificating aside... I don't think there is a rich man on the planet who is thirsty for pussy.

Money is all. If you're rich everything simply comes to you, women included.

Chase a cheque, never chase a bitch.

Littleknownfacts · 2018-06-22T18:09:08+00:00

Money, Status, and Looks

That's how men build value. It's recommended that men try to max out at least two categories.

TheChemist158 · 2018-06-22T18:16:43+00:00

This whole value thing has seemed weird to me. Who is deciding the value, and value for what? The answer from the red pill seems to be some balance of being very attractive to individual women and attractive to the most different women, and for the purposes of sex. Which is an okay start, but if your hope with this value is to get sex, you should only be considering how sluts view you. Why try to sell steaks to a vegetarian?

This also brings up the question of what your goal is as the man. Is getting as much sex with as many different women as possible, it work. But what if you want an LTR with a very particular type of woman? Or you find a certain type of woman fun to be around and want to focus of them?

Point is that being attractive to many different women is a good approach, but you should exclude the opinions of women you don't want to be with.

It's always a bit annoying how objective reds make value seem. They talk about high value men being attractive to the most different women, and then seem to expect any given woman to want be with them. Just because you have an idea of what a high value man is doesn't mean I would value him highly.

Eartherry · 2018-06-22T21:59:02+00:00

So what is the measure of the value of a man?

It's whatever the one measuring his value says it is.

Are you still high value, even if you lift look hot but you're flat ass broke? What really counts here and what are just the icings on the cake? Does personality, morality even truly matter or just icings(optionals)?

Value isn't fixed, it's fluid, shifting as one moves between different social groups. For every situation the answer is going to boil down to, "It depends on who you ask".

Can a guy be so low that he actually becomes less of a man... not seen as a man anymore? Is there such a thing?

I don't think "man" is a status.

KikiYuyu · 2018-06-22T22:06:42+00:00

Lucky for you, not everyone is so shallow and superficial. Legend has it, some people out there exist who make value judgements based on individual merit.

There is not some universal system, dude. There is no code in the matrix that can be exploited here.

exhibitionistcouplez · 2018-06-22T23:41:46+00:00

Yes. That last question? Can a guy be so low that he actually becomes less of a man?

Ok so here's how this has started to work. Asking nicely didn't work. Saying "ok, treat us with respect, ask us and respect our no, don't expect things of us you don't give yourself" didn't work. Women tried. Most men didn't budge. Lots bit back against it. Throughout history men have made women fight for equality. We didn't hand it over or negotiate.

The internet changed things. If you look at /r/relationships you'll often see the same answer worded twenty different ways in a long thread. People have as a group absorbed and internalized a whole bunch of factual information about abuse, and manipulation, and all kinds of other toxic tactics and habits and cycles. It's not universal but it's common enough to pop up the same ways in all kinds of different spaces. This isn't just what's on Reddit. This is what both therapists in their offices and The Rock on Twitter put forth. "Respect your woman. Eat her pussy. Let her think for herself"

So what are the consequences of a cultural narrative neither created nor directed by anyone in power?

Well one consequence is that dealbreakers became a term people know and understand and men who exhibit serious dealbreakers will essentially self eliminate from a large portion of the dating pool. People in red pill mock that women "have a 6th sense for predators and assholes" and throw up statistics but really they just want to avoid what's actually going on.

What's actually going on is we're teaching women who do not have that sense at all, who cannot tell who's genuine and who's a manipulative asshole, what all the manipulative asshole tactics and tricks are and how to try to spot them. No it's not like we're making abuse sensing savants. We're trying to give enough women enough of an education about men that when dealbreakers are exhibited they turn and run.

And all the understanding behind what the dealbreaker and why to make sure that they run hard.

Every man who falls into that category is no longer really a person. They are a threat. A problem. A thing to avoid.

Yeah I get incels. Sucks to visibly exhibit behavior in every day life we've told women to avoid like the plague and not know it. They're all in denial of course, but at some point you either have to try to grow up and change yourself or get naturally selected.

Harsh but necessary. Adapt or die. We're not that civilized yet.

Pathetic_Lifeform · 2018-06-23T00:12:50+00:00

So what is the measure of the value of a man?

Anything you bring to the table which other people find valuable, and anything about you that signalizes that you have traits which can offer something of value to others.

YetAnotherCommenter · 2018-06-23T06:41:50+00:00

I'm going to presume you mean what society in general thinks. This isn't true of every man nor is it necessarily factually correct (i.e. relating to some sort of mind-independent objectively real 'manhood') but it is indicative of what society overall tends to think at least subconsciously.

So what is the measure of the value of a man?

For the most part it boils down to physical strength, ability to intimidate others, overall physical handsomeness, and surface-level mannerisms. These will typically be taken as evidence of deep personal traits, even if they aren't (as we all know from those serial killer groupies that write love letters to demented sociopaths in jail). If you can butch it up, order another guy around, look sufficiently hot to attract plenty of women, and do the right amount of scowly-growly in some circumstances of suave-charming in others, you're fine.

Are you still high value, even if you lift look hot but you're flat ass broke?

You'll be presumed high-value. Remember that the genes that were useful in the evolutionary past are substantially less useful in a modern civilization... hence all the "bad boy" types being lusted for yet are not "good husband material."

Does personality, morality even truly matter or just icings(optionals)?

They're just optional, at least over short-term-fling time horizons. For relationships they become more important.

Does the hot ride even matter, like in the myths?

That's more of a cultural/aesthetic signal than something that's attractive within itself. It only really works if you're already hot though... an ugly dude with an expensive car attracts gold-diggers.

Can a guy be so low that he actually becomes less of a man... not seen as a man anymore? Is there such a thing?

Mainstream society absolutely thinks so. Its called being socially emasculated... your "real manhood" gets revoked and you become a "boy", no longer a "man." See http://thedadshow.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Precarious_Manhood.pdf for a psychology paper on the subject, peer reviewed journal article.

PhotosyntheticChad · 2018-06-23T16:31:35+00:00

The highest value men are tall rich white men who are also very attractive, the lowest value men are poor men under 5ft10. In between are things like ‘rich men’, ‘poor white men who are attractive’, ‘tall black men’, ‘tall Asian men’.

crackrocksteady7 · 2018-06-22T18:13:25+00:00

Skill matters a ton and defines status in any hobby circle

What do you mean male value system though? How men value other men, or good ol gynocentric how women define value?

LewisCross · 2018-06-22T21:09:56+00:00

Men have two imperatives: Sexual and social.

The male sexual imperative: Get as much sex as possible with as many women as possible as often as possible with the least amount of time, effort and investment possible. Spread your seed far and wide.

The male social imperative: To compete and win. To get money, land and things. To defeat other men and to help your tribe defeat other tribes, so you and your tribe can take their money, land, things, and women.

All men (or at least, most men) do their best to excel at either one of these imperatives. Most men can do better at the social imperative than the sexual.

And much of it depends on cultural backdrop. Before the sex rev of the "1960s", the social imperative was what gave men status. After the sex rev, it's now the male sexual imperative that reigns supreme.

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Merger-Arbitrage · 2018-06-22T18:46:56+00:00

I'll repost something I said to another user a while ago.

High value = high attractiveness.

There are attractive traits and unattractive traits (obviously more of the former is good, less of the latter is good).

When it comes to RMV aka dating attractiveness (basically an expanded version of SMV), based on research/data I've read/seen on this topic...

Attractiveness = looks, smarts, personality/character and values (values for RMV/LTRs only).

Each of those categories has a list of traits (good and bad) under it.

RMV:

Good:

Looks (style/grooming/hygiene [$$], face (esp. pleasantness, moderate masculinity), leanness/muscularity/proportions, height)

Smarts (wit + intellectual curiosity) --> education + income + general knowledge

Character/Personality (courage, assertiveness [unaggressive confidence], humor, passion, ambition, empathy, kindness, dependability, moral integrity, agreeableness, honesty/humility)

Compatibility on values [lifestyle and relationship goals]

Bad:

Looks (looks-detractors)

Smarts (inept + clueless) --> undereducated + low income + boring

Character/Personality (narcissism, arrogance, entitlement, laziness, carelessness, un-empathetic, undependable ; neuroticism/insecurity/cowardice, disagreeableness, dishonesty/fakeness, cluster A/B/C and/or attachment disorders) --> boring + unpleasant

Incompatible values [lifestyle and relationship goals]

Status, money, whatever are a combination and downstream result of many of those traits.

Title	Understanding the male value system
Author	thereddespair
Upvotes	5
Comments	55
Date	June 22, 2018 5:44 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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