Trying to understand

Godsendviii · 2018-01-06T15:45:31+00:00

Our values are based on the same facts of life, but completely different goals. We don't often recommend women date Red Pill men. We just encourage them to see the reality of how relationships work and do their best to work within that knowledge to improve their own. Personally, I'd have never dated a Red Pill man.

My husband is naturally very alpha, but he has many wonderful beta traits. He's sweet to me when I cry. He helps around the house. He'll make a great dad. TRP wouldn't be his thing.

This is a great place for more traditional dating and relationship advice. It doesn't have to be more than that for you. You don't have to wear the Red Pill label.

IVIaskerade · 2018-01-06T17:56:07+00:00

There are a bunch of observations about how men and women interact.

/TheRedPill uses these observations to try and get the best outcome for them, an individual man.

/RedPillWomen uses these observations to try and get the best outcome for them, an individual woman.

Obviously the desired outcome in each case will be different, because men and women are different. But you aren't forced to accept one outcome, you can take those observations and try to get a different one by behaving differently.

SmamelessMe · 2018-01-08T12:03:50+00:00

Each of the communities associated with TRP has different mantra. It is up to you what you take from it.

Here is my personal opinion, and take-away from each community, and what you may learn from it as a woman, if you're curious.

Pick Up Artists (PUA)

It taught me women are just people, and that it is OK to talk to them.
It taught me that social skills are skills like any other, and it is ok to train them.
It taught me I need to go out. You cannot learn how to plow by reading a book.
It taught me that women are not attracted to men who respect them.
It taught me that women are attracted to attractive men who respect them.
It taught me what it means to be attractive.
But it also tried to teach me that it is fine to just fake the attractive traits.
But it also tried to teach me that the best life fulfilling professional career for a man is to become PUA coach.
You might learn the process of how men approach women, and what goes on inside their head interesting.

The Red Pill (TRP)

It taught me about woman's biological / sexual nature, and how to integrate them into dating and social skills.
It taught me how to take control and shape my life.
It taught me I have to help myself first, before I can help others.
It taught me more about myself than I ever thought there was.
It taught me not just how to fake, but how to achieve, and why I should want to achieve, attractive traits.
But it also tried to teach me that the measure of man is his independence and number of sexual partners.
But it also tried to teach me that I should never marry and have children, because providing for family is beta, and beta is bad.
You might learn men's attitude to self-respect, and why vast majority of men are invisible to women.

Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW)

It taught me women are dangerous, and that I do currently live in society that sees me as no more as disposable work drone.
It taught me how to spot and avoid danger.
But it also tried to teach me that mere association with women means slavery.
But it also tried to teach me that getting married and having children means the system wins.
You might learn that there are some truly evil women, and men who's life got ruined. And that some men have been given very good reasons to distance themselves from women.

Men's Rights Activists (MRA)

It taught me it is ok to be vocal about men's issues.
It taught me that there are large number of areas where men do have it harder than women.
But it also tried to teach me that feminism is evil, attempting to take away men's freedom.
You might learn that maybe, just maybe, men do have it as bad or worse than women.

Red Pill Women (RPW)

It taught me there are women who do appreciate man who wants to take care of the family, without ulterior motives.
It taught me there are women who do not take "feminine role" in relationship as excuse the spend the rest of their life after popping out one or two kids unemployed on a couch.
But it also tried to teach me that sex is a tool created to control men.
But it also tried to teach me that the only valid test for man's true intentions is to deny him intimacy, and see what happens.
You might learn that you have had the upper hand over men this whole time, and that having traditional preferences is OK!

Now obviously, these points are exaggerated for dramatic effect. They obviously do not apply to all of the information posted under given label, but it is a general representation of the best and worst information I picked up on each of the subs.

nonamanuensis · 2018-01-08T18:36:57+00:00

"Red Pill" explains sexual strategies in a world where men are encouraged to act more like women, act the way women SAY they want men to act, women are encouraged to act more like men, and act the way women say men want women to act. RP is a breath of fresh air and explains a lot of the common and uncomfortable patterns we see in the world.

So I think most RP subs agree on certain truths (female hypergamy being core) but how they accept and change their behavior given those truths is very different.

I don't consider myself aligned with the male RP subs.

jm51 · 2018-01-06T17:01:25+00:00

I see it as all the various RP subs try to answer the question: 'What's in it for me and how do I get that?'

All of the subs discourage any form of abuse and all such posts are usually jumped on hard. RP is a healthy form of selfishness that goes against the BP mantra of 'Sacrifice yourself so that others may benefit.'

TRP has a lot of young men and they want what most young men want. A good income, lots of sex with hot women and no commitment. Only natural that TRP often talks about that. [In this months issue of Cosmo...'How to get your man to...']

RPW tend to agree with the captain/first mate dynamic and work towards that with a view to marrying a worthy captain.

Another viewpoint is MRP

These are men that find themselves in a poor quality marriage and learn that it's their fault because they have been a drunk captain.

This thread pretty much nails it.

patriargate · 2018-01-06T20:56:31+00:00

The men under the red pill reddit are usually fagots who are no men. Think about the million of men who created a family, built our cilivisation and fought in wars to defend all of that. Do you seriously think you can compare these gamers to any kind of masculinity? They are women with a penis, nothing more. I know many of them. They would never risk their life, pick up a fight or even stand to protect a woman being raped. Look for good men, not these.

LuckyLittleStar · 2018-01-08T21:00:38+00:00

This post would be more suited to purplepilldebate

Chaddeus_Rex · 2018-01-07T05:04:05+00:00

It's about women pretending to be trad-con. Really, TRP wouldn't exist if women responded to traits they actually proclaim to like here.

Moreover, it seems to be a place where women are searching for their BB, but I may be wrong.

DarkEyes4275 · 2024-02-01T03:11:53+00:00

Dm me

Title	Trying to understand
Author	Curia-DD
Upvotes	16
Comments	57
Date	January 6, 2018 3:20 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/RedPillWomen
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