Apathy?

Archwinger · 2014-01-13T21:57:30+00:00

Feels like all I want to do now is have as much fun as I can enjoying the things I like to do

You make it sound like pursuing happiness is wrong or something. That's what women have been doing for the past few decades. Why not you? Why should it shameful or empty for you to have fun doing the things you enjoy?

Why is it "supposed" to be one of your goals, as a man, to "break through that apathy toward relationships?" Why is a relationship with a woman a more important goal than any of your other pursuits?

That's right. It isn't. And that's the point. Women don't belong on a pedestal. You can have a lot of fun connecting with women. The right woman can even add value to your life, and you to hers. But women are just one more thing in your life, alongside your health and fitness, your professional success, your skills, your hobbies, and everything else that you've been developing to make you into a man that's worth a shit.

Women and relationships aren't the goal of life, and treating them as such is a recipe for failure. You're on the right track by having fun and enjoying your life. Improve yourself, and women will come. Or not. But it doesn't matter. If you want to connect with a girl, go get one. If you're having fun doing something else, do that something else.

bigern77 · 2014-01-13T21:50:00+00:00

Have relationships with women. Enjoy them. Cherish the wonderful times with them, when the times are good. Just always keep this in the back of your mind: nothing lasts forever. Your youth, a woman's love, indeed your very life. Everything in life changes, that's what gives each moment its poignancy. Enjoy the ride, don't get attached to it.

cagethepepper · 2014-01-13T21:50:41+00:00

Dude, ever since I found TRP I've felt the same way, but happy. Fuck it, I'm gonna do what I love to do, I'm gonna set some goals and reach them and it's gonna be awesome. Any girl who wants a piece of me along the ride is very welcome, but she's getting kicked off once she asks for more. Dr. Dre was right man, Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks. Never forget that. Life is goddamn beautiful.

Gyaltso · 2014-01-13T21:12:54+00:00

What do you mean "break through apathy"?? The goal is for you to find a way to break through to apathy. Advanced apathy. The kind of self-centered single-minded blissfully insular and apathetic attitude attributed to some of the most baddest motherfuckers to ever walk the earth. This is what you want. Bitches ain't shit. And as soon as you focus your life on something other than them they'll start paying attention to you. It's confidence in the highest. Alpha genes be damned.

FugitiveAlpha · 2014-01-13T22:30:01+00:00

IMHO, your looking at it all wrong. The apathy is good, as others have stated, but your focus on relationships is a bit out of line with your personal desires.

If you want to catch a unicorn, then you have to setup a clearing in the woods that's so beautiful that the unicorn wants to graze there. Since we're talking about human females here, that means that you build a life that she wants to be part of, NOT you build your life around her. That means you use that apathy, you focus on YOU, you make your life so amazingly awesome to YOU. Because for a unicorn to be a unicorn to YOU, she has to fit you. And that means she wants to immerse herself in YOUR LIFE.

Build your life to your ideals, ass WILL follow, and hopefully your clearing attracts a unicorn, if not, you'll have a great life and a wet dick.

AWiseBro · 2014-01-13T21:46:59+00:00

It's just a phase in the process of unplugging. Spend time on bettering yourself and getting what you want out of life. The apathy will inevitably fade with time.

mctoasterson · 2014-01-13T23:01:09+00:00

Red pill is an often depressing reality to accept because it forces one to confront many uncomfortable things.

1) We are often slaves to our biology, more than we realize, and more than most people wish to admit.

2) Everything is perishable. There is no such thing as getting into a perfectly fulfilling relationship with a smoking hot woman and then "coasting" for the rest of your life. Her attraction to you is in peril from day one, and her physical attractiveness to you is an asset that will deteriorate with time.

3) The majority of people want to believe in a Utopia where man's default state is one of peace and cooperation, but both of these are not the default behavior and require effort to maintain. Entropic state of man is one of discord. Why? People ultimately come together when value is demonstrated. If the participants do not see value in a particular relationship, the relationship is weakened and dissolved. It applies on the individual and the macro level.

For these reasons alone, it is tempting to approach relationships with apathy. I can't provide good advice for getting "past" it because I am still coping with this myself.

[deleted] · 2014-01-13T23:21:39+00:00

Don't misinterpret a lack of need to have people in your life you can invest in emotionally as "apathy."

Red Pill when it comes to relationships is the simple standard that you don't need anyone. Why do they need you?

Its like commuting to work on a bus, only it's in some freakish dimension where it's always on time, and gets you to work in under 10 minutes. You don't need a car. The car salesmen needs to sell you on owning a car. And it's the same for relationships with the opposite sex. You don't need one. Someone, anyone, worth your time should be able to sell themselves.

And that, that is how a lot of good relationships start, because you're talking about individuals- not even necessarily just men- who have managed to divorce themselves from societal and even biological drives to get with a woman, regardless of your personal standards, and start putting loaves in the oven.

How you get to that point of a sales pitch is on you. No two strategies are made alike, and no two strategies are even necessarily made equal. Just realize that like a broken clock, or a bad lure, it might not work most of the time, and whatever you "catch" might be something you're better off throwing back in the lake.

And you may want to disassociate the alpha football team sports captain / action hero of the day type from simply being alpha. Scant few people occupy any personality type in it's entirety- its virtually impossible to be the alpha 24/7 anymore than it's possible to be an absolute beta 24/7. At the end of the day you're going to swing one way or another, and it can happen a lot.

You know all those movies where you have some little pointdexter / peewee type suddenly get thrust into the position of the A number one, the Duke of York? That first spiderman movie that didn't suck? Peter Parker was a fucking putz! Even after he got the girl he was still a bit of a putz. Or How To Train Your Dragon? Hiccup has the grace of a three legged, one eyed dog and the eloquence of a goat, and by the end of the movie he still hasn't grown out of that, but you know what? He still gets the girl because he knows when to be the alpha. Rather than letting his shortcomings and failures define his character, he channels that into something useful.

People can certainly be "born" alphas but typically they're made, not built. As it were, we can't have everyone being the archetype anyways- chiefs need their indians, so to speak. It ain't about what you're born with, its about what you do with it. The choices we make define ourselves far more than the ordering of your genetics.

[deleted] · 2014-01-13T22:05:09+00:00

The more apathetic I am towards women, the more they seem to want to know me.

Biggest_boss · 2014-01-13T20:42:59+00:00

Maybe the way you feel now is how you're supposed to be feeling.

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my_cock_in_barack · 2014-01-13T22:43:10+00:00

Mehpathy*

Terry_Bruce_Dick · 2014-01-14T01:24:40+00:00

I think you've hit on the core of MGTOW - and I think apathy is healthy. Another way to look at it is the Patrice "You've got to be willing to take the L" - You've got to have a healthy valuation of vagina and relationship (those things are separate), and you have to be apathetic enough to be able to walk away when women demand too high a price.

[deleted] · 2014-01-13T21:05:14+00:00

Women are basically extractors. They extract labor from us men, they extract our sperm for our genes, and they extract our happiness. The only thing we get in return is pussy and I guess their feminine energy can be pleasant to be around as well. This is the nature of reality. Not saying you can't find a woman and as long as you use LTR game you can probably keep her but women are what they are man. No way to change it. So spin plates, pursue your own interests and try not to take these bitches too seriously.

[deleted] · 2014-01-13T22:38:56+00:00

Actually when i first started reading TRP i had the same reaction and in addition i couldn't get it up for almost a week... It gets better, you get used to it. It's like being enlightened about something, i read somewhere that enlightenment is a destructive process because in order to learn something life changing your current beliefs that you rely on have to be destroyed and discarded.

mistonag · 2014-01-13T22:43:44+00:00

Things you can do.

Learn about the red pill and apply it to your relationships, majority of those men thought buying flowers was a way to solve their problems. Learn from those men's mistakes. DON'T BE BETA
Be the best version of yourself you can be. Lift be attractive, have nice skin, be sociable.
Don't take your wife for granted, make her feel valued as well. You never have your girls heart forever, you need to maintain that shit.

lost_2_apathy · 2014-01-13T22:52:25+00:00

I would consider apathy towards LTRs a great thing. You should only start to care once she has proven her value to you. Even then, once you start to care too much, you've just lowered your value.

Keep spinning because there isn't many valuable women out there.

MahlerNinth · 2014-01-14T00:57:43+00:00

I care about them a bit less, spend less time thinking about dating/sex/relationship issues, but I don't think of it as apathy towards women. TRP's an eye opener for a lot of what else a man can do in life, and as a result I've gotten more motivated to invest time into things like my daily workouts, my other hobbies and interests, and as a result am just spending a little less time concerned with women. Hey, I wonder if there's a correlation between this, and the fact that my physician told me my blood pressure's at its lowest in 3 years, and I'm looking more relaxed and in better shape.

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648262 · 2014-01-14T00:59:46+00:00

Do the things you want. Apathy towards relationships? Yep, I've tasted it. Don't be in a relationship if you do not want to. It's a social construct - you can choose not to have one without ruining anything. It can actually be a good thing.

GreyWolf107 · 2014-01-14T04:53:48+00:00

I'm having the same thoughts and outlook.

[deleted] · 2014-01-14T05:50:15+00:00

Funny how you are never really apathetic about really having to poop, isn't it?

wall-of-meth · 2014-01-14T06:11:28+00:00

At some point I was disgusted by women. But you only feel that way because you still see it from a blue pill view. Throw that overboard. Tell yourself that nothing is more important than your comfort. Focus on yourself first to get a rock solid frame. Then you will notice, you changed your attitude and priorities and have no reason for being concerned by what or why women like.

logically_ · 2014-01-14T06:20:21+00:00

You can be in a relationship with a women without committing. (Monogamous) committment is the social construct they want you to conform to. Let the girl know that she can see other guys because you're seeing other girls. If she doesn't like that you're seeing other girls, she can walk. The thing is, she is most likely spinning plates too, just on the DL. You are showing you aren't threatened by it by tacitly acknowledging it. What's more is that you inevitably bring her into your frame by defining the boundaries of the relationship.

W-Z-R · 2014-01-14T14:21:52+00:00

Sort of-I don't care about building relationships with women, only the fleeting experiences I get from knowing them. It's weird, they always get pissed of with me and do walk, I don't care but I do replace, easily. The key thing for me is how in the moment they live, you could help them for years and for whatever reason you have to stop and they will tell you you've abandoned them and end the friendship as soon as they can extract nothing from it, so totally different from a man's loyalty, (although betas will throw you under if it's over a girl). I just work on myself, make sure I am fun to be around but don't bother helping them either, seems to work.

I take the view that there are pretty women, there are ugly women, there are fun women, there are boring women, and those are the only real things separating any of them, no real loyalty or decency and I don't hate them for it. Just how it is.

pontifx · 2014-01-14T19:58:12+00:00

Yo man fire up an classic video game. Hit the cheat code for infinite lives and think about that feeling. Fuck apathy thats what you want. The eternal reminder that its a game, you control it and its there for your pleasure. When you don't want it, you can just shut it off. As you live like this you will shut them off quicker and quicker.

vengefully_yours · 2014-01-14T20:38:54+00:00

Just live your life, don't let anyone control it or you. For months past year I was apathetic towards women, now I am enjoying them. They know they are not the only one in my life, and they never will be. They like what I am, enjoy the time I spend with them, and then go home.

I get what I want from them, but my focus is on my life, me, and what I want to do. They are part of my life, being a chapter or a footnote is her choice. My life is the story, and I am writing it how I want it.

Title	Apathy?
Author	MotorcycleMann
Upvotes	74
Comments	63
Date	January 13, 2014 8:39 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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