But what about the bottom 60%?

arfl · 2016-12-13T01:27:53+00:00

The guys at the MGTOW subreddit are not necessarily losers or suicidal: many of them aim to get financially successful enough to afford nice things like escorts, travel, fancy cars, etc. Others emphasize peace of mind, minimalism, and an embrace of stoic philosophy, etc.

There's much more to life than chasing the opposite sex.

Snowiceolated · 2016-12-13T02:33:53+00:00

"By all means marry; if you get a good wife, you'll be happy. If you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher."

-Socrates

Since now we have the internet and know it's a bad deal, we can skip the first step.

TheOneTrueMagnet · 2016-12-13T05:53:40+00:00

Life sucks, then you die. You are trying to find meaning in a world that won't give you one. You must grab this world by the pussy and bestow meaning upon it yourself, because that is what being a man is.

VasiliyZaitzev · 2016-12-13T06:16:28+00:00

Actually, that's who marriage is for. In theory, marriage was to keep the bluepill beta around by giving him odds that his "kids" are really his. Much like a lot of social constructs, it's to rein in female sexuality.

fuxdpus · 2016-12-13T04:58:06+00:00

A lot of men have a variety of non-female related interests- it could be videogames, music, sports, cars, stamp collecting, poetry, Star Wars, hiking- whatever. But I think a lot of single men indulge in their hobbies or interests that don't involve women.

MattyAnon · 2016-12-13T03:04:03+00:00

So what do the bottom 80-60% of males do?

Well at least if they follow TRP they will not get deadbedroomed then divorceraped.

compete using all tactics available to enter the top 20%, or give up and live minimalistically.

Most could be top 20% (in enough specific areas) if they try, but not if they ALL try. And it may be too much effort for most.

Failing that, other lifestyles include earning money and banging prostitutes, or finding other ways to enjoy women.

bonerdude420 · 2016-12-13T04:10:59+00:00

It's not competitive to get into the 20%, most people are in terrible shape and don't have their life together. Get an OK job, work out, dress well, quit any major vices and you're basically there.

Considering that, I don't have much sympathy for the bottom half of men

ChristianRedpill · 2016-12-13T16:47:02+00:00

Women are overrated. Period. Do I just think this or do I know this? I know this. Women can smell thirst a thousand miles away. Do women need men to make them happy? Yes. Do men need women to make them happy? No. In fact women were created because it is not good for a man to be alone. But not being lonely and being happy aren't the same thing.

Your crisis is existential, and women cannot help you with that. Find God. He's out there if you look hard enough. Once you truly internalize the fact that they are just women who need you a lot more than you need them, they will smell it on you stronger than even their skill at sniffing out thirsty betas allows. Frankly, their silly antics of trying to attract your attention will get boring after a while 😇

sharp7 · 2016-12-13T05:39:56+00:00

Not to go off on a tangent, but everyone's art is shitty when they're first starting out.. Unless your name is Pablo Picasso, it's going to take decades to get your work to be show-worthy/professional quality. Hence why a lot of successful artists have "drawn since they were kids".

harkrank · 2016-12-13T03:02:59+00:00

Historically the 60% of men who didn't reproduce where the ones who were killed in the struggle between men to reproduce, later also those enslaved. Women enslaved would of course reproduce.

No point in killing or enslaving other men today when they can be kept from sexual competition with media and school brainwashing.

How can you say art is meaningless? It is a link between the mystic world inside and the world outside. If your art is shitty improve on your skills until it doesn't limit what you want to express.

CrimsonEllipse · 2016-12-13T01:36:59+00:00

You do it because it is your genetic imperative.

Do you see groups of male chimps staging a sexual revolution to effect a more equitable distribution of sexual resources? Gorillas? Baboons? Wolves? Marmots?

Social animals always have their group leader enjoying almost exclusive access to sexual resources. Lucky lesser males might get the scraps. Why would you think that mankind should be any different? We are all animals.

You are not owed fairness.

Shitlord_Stan · 2016-12-13T11:31:21+00:00

SMV is not exclusively dependent on any one facet of attractiveness. There are some horrendously ugly people who have made a financial success of themselves and then had success with women.

TRPTheRedLion · 2016-12-13T12:46:32+00:00

Ignorance is bliss, isn't it? You said yourself the BP man doesn't know or realize, so lives life peacefully then die. So, they don't know and what they don't know doesn't hurt them, right?

What does a Red Pill man do? Get in the 40 percent. That's not that hard. Think about it. That's 4 out of every 10 men. Just go take a walk in the mall or downtown and look at the competition and you'll soon figure out that's not very fucking hard to do. And don't get wrapped up in statistics. They are ever changing. As far as we know, a thousand years from now it could be six out of every 10 men reproduce. It could go down. Two out of every 10. But who cares? I know I get my dick wet quite frequently and have never paid a dime for it.

Do what TRP advises you to do and it really won't matter. You'll live a fulfilling life and get laid.

NeoreactionSafe · 2016-12-13T16:22:34+00:00

They get married, think their wife just has a headache, raise kids that aren't their's, and die happily thinking they were great fathers.

No.

Not sure where you got your numbers, but secretive cuckolding has historically been no more than about 2%-4%.

We have DNA analysis now to confirm this.

These days you can take an actual test to prove what is real.

svensin · 2016-12-13T18:29:15+00:00

men of the past, I'm talking very far back, simply died before they could, or were killed because they attempted (raid a village) and failed (were killed)

People don't talk about it, but up until very recently in human history, men waged war for two things, to rape and fuck tons of women, and to steal/acquire land/resources.

They would do these things not for political reasons, but simply because they were bored or lacked resources/women to fuck.

During these raids, the weak men would die ( along with unlucky strong men ) and some weak men would also luckily survive. thus the survivors would reproduce, which would include mostly alphas and some betas that either used their ingenuity or luck to survive. this is why we have two types of successful men, those who are physically capable, and those who are mentally capable.

but for 99 percent of the time that this raping and pillaging was occurring, 99 percent of the men who survived were alphas, strong and dangerous men, which is why women are so attracted to those types of men. I imagine in 10 thousand years that trend might change since to be successful in today's world and i would imagine tmrs world, you need to be smarter than you are strong. (talking financial success = survival, not getting laid, getting laid=/=lead to you surviving)

fuu969 · 2016-12-13T19:31:33+00:00

It is quite easy in fact

Attractive guy : TRP Average guy : MGTOW

whatsthisgarg · 2016-12-13T01:12:00+00:00

Bad news for males in mammalian species: most of them never mate. I mean 60 to 80% NEVER mate. That's just a fact of life. But almost 96% of adult humans will have sex sometime in their life.

But you can jack off and then go do something else. What can a bull elephant do? He has just as much testosterone as all the others. How does he get relief?

Are the losers just doomed to live in misery?

Such misery. Get some perspective on where you are in the world, and in history. Sex isn't the absolute most funnest thing in the world. Is it even in the top 5 funnest things?

EuronPacificus · 2016-12-13T00:56:08+00:00

They same thing they have done historically, depending on degrees of civilization and technology:

rebel

rape

vote for an "extemist"

demand change

slothsenpai · 2016-12-13T01:00:19+00:00

I'm wondering what the percentage of actual incel omega males are?

villa_gotaha · 2016-12-13T03:25:37+00:00

Let them suffer. You are superior to them and there should be no reason to interfere with their lives unless they personally effect yours.

solarcon6 · 2016-12-13T10:28:36+00:00

"Every champion was once a contender that refused to give up" - Rocky Balboa, f*k yeah!

Speaking of giving up, living life without purpose, I'd probably drug myself to death. OR read the NMMNG, I mean the whole book, not just the phrase. The idea you're in the lower 60%, that you gain value through achieving some virtual top 40%, this smells like wrong mindset.

Your_Coke_Dealer · 2016-12-13T13:49:00+00:00

Historically, most of that bottom 60% died. They died in war, they died of starvation, they wound up slaves. Basically those of weaker genes perished on average more than the stronger ones. But society protects the weak, as is part of its purpose. As protections such as military and medicine improve, more weaker men survive, and this culminates in the present and future with nu-male cucks and whatever comes next. Hypergamy spread like wildfire as evolution's self defense mechanism per se. Humanity is going to wipe itself out if it devolves into people who can't function without being a cog in a system, sitting behind a desk. Self reliance is the natural order. So females subconsciously go berserk seeking dominant males, an urge they'd been able to mostly repress for much of society due to social conditioning, because humanity needs to preserve itself. Mankind on its present path has been broken by preserving the weak at the expense of the strong, and we are seeing it right itself with women seeking the strong more than ever. TRP teaches you how to be on the side of the strong as this happens.

goldnhorde · 2016-12-13T15:10:24+00:00

I think they played board games and made craft beer .... it's not like they had it so bad.

Eyeswears · 2016-12-13T20:07:20+00:00

Most people don't work to improve themselves in a meaningful way, so they way I see it, the moment you do that, you are automatically propelled into the upper tier. And working on yourself is something you can choose to do, so there is no reason to not have a growth mindset and be pessimistically fatalistic.

in_line123 · 2016-12-15T01:46:15+00:00

I think you're misunderstanding a concept here. From what I understood (I'm quite new to this topic, though), it's not that the top 20% are the only ones who get laid. It's just that they get to form a relationship with the top % of females.

It's just that women will rather date "upwards", i.e. you simply have to choose someone who's in the bottom 50% of females and you're good to go.

FrgElder · 2016-12-13T16:21:13+00:00

I've taken the first path with moderate success, but lately I'm tired and can't help but think, not everyone can be in to top 20-40%.

While statistically this statement is true, I think a lot of people (especially on TRP) overestimate what constitutes a top 20% male. Look at the average male of any age bracket and you'd be pretty much appalled. While you have to put in some effort to get to the top 20%, it's really not that hard. You have to remember that even males in the top 1-10% usually only have one or at most 2-3 girls on rotation. Reason being that they are still sold the BP lifestyle just as the rest of us were. A lot of top males do not take advantage of their high SMV, which leaves females that would usually pursue them left without a harem to join.

Being enlightened with the truth of sexual strategy gives you a distinct advantage in today's extremely BP and controlled society. You can focus your efforts on what works instead of running on a treadmill chasing a fake carrot like 99.9% of males out there.

derkoff · 2016-12-13T06:40:56+00:00

Do you want kids, man? Do you want to give marriage a go? I may be reading into this post too much but it sounds like you're a little jealous of the oblivious blue pill beta bucks dad. If you are, go for it. Divorce-rape is painted as the end of a man in this sub sometimes; it's not. A red-pilled man can be prepared and arm himself with knowledge and strength to push through it and to keep as much of his own as possible. Don't let this sub tell you what you want out of life. Embrace the knowledge you gain here and use it to get what YOU want out of life.

Katavasis · 2016-12-13T15:21:10+00:00

Can't you people realize that the competition is literally non existent?

If you are seeing this,you are already in a better place than 50% of the population(in terms of the SM of course).Now you need to apply yourself.Breaking in the 20% is not impossible for anyone.

What you are talking about is breaking in the 1-3% of the SM.That's another story that includes genetics and/or luck. Don't concern yourslef with them.

Did you approach 1 woman today?Shit you already did what most men will never do.

Title	But what about the bottom 60%?
Author	sharp7
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Date	December 13, 2016 12:44 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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