Can red pill men "fall in love"?

Whisper · 2014-12-12T11:59:14+00:00

You're confusing "falling in love" with "loving someone".

These two things have nothing more in common than the fact that we have unwisely chosen the same word to refer to both.

"Falling in love" is infatuation. It happens very quickly, often for trivial reasons. Redpill-based sexual strategy advises us to avoid this. It is closely related to oneitis, leads to beta behaviour, and so on.

"Loving someone" is emotional investment. It grows slowly as a result of shared experiences and trust. It is a cornerstone of a healthy emotional life.

To me the best the RPer can hope for is to have some sort of emotionally-manipulated sex pet.

You sound a little like our stalkers over at TBP, here. Everyone influences everyone else. We call it "persuasion" when we want it to sound benign, and "manipulation" when we want it to sound evil.

The only way for "true love" to exist is to take your hands off of the puppet strings.

What people call "true love" is infatuation, which is really fake love. It may feel wonderful for a while, but so does heroin. By pretty much the same chemical mechanism.

A healthy RP-based mating strategy regards love as something you build, not something you find.

AppleNewton · 2014-12-12T07:40:06+00:00

Absolutely.

You can be in love and still be RedPill, being in love doesn't cross RedPill out and vice versa. But we men are idealists pretending to be realists when it comes to love, and women are realists pretending to be idealists.

ruboski · 2014-12-12T07:17:58+00:00

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Cum_on_doorknob · 2014-12-12T08:20:54+00:00

I think there are two kinds of "love" one is BP and one is RP. The BP "Love" is the classic sense of a sort of desperate need. It stems from a combination of fear of being alone and the need for validation. The BP man loves the woman because she validates his worth. He was a loser before her. He's had little love in his life, so little, that the woman becomes precious to him (scarcity mentality). This is toxic, but very powerful, as I'm sure many of us know. RP love is more about seeing the woman for what she is and enjoying her for who she is independently of how she alters your feelings of yourself (RP men don't need a woman's affections to make them feel special). This is healthy love, you respect her and enjoy her company and her love (sex), but you DON'T NEED her. As you spend time together and positive emotions are always flowing, you become more and more fond of her IF, and this is a big if, she is a good woman. An RP man will see any bullshit and will put an end to it. The girl that survives this process will eventually be special to you and that will be a much better love, because you are being your best self, and she follows you and proves she is worthy to ride with you: a true first mate.

MrAaaanderson · 2014-12-12T06:35:42+00:00

"It's better to like a bitch than love a bitch." ~ Patrice O'Neal

JackGetsIt · 2014-12-12T14:09:12+00:00

Women and beta's love effeminately; feminine love is defined within the context of something else (for women it's power and beta's it's attraction). Masculine love is a choice; a choice to support another who you've established trust with. Masculine love is unconditional. Feminine love is conditional.

As a result of their inherent differences: Masculine love is given rarely. Feminine love is given often and quickly and taken away often and quickly.

Kvantemekanik · 2014-12-12T07:07:40+00:00

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Bellum00 · 2014-12-12T10:09:13+00:00

What you said about being in love applies to being alive in general.

Blue Pill love is irrational, unconditional, relinquishing all control to the woman. She will resent you for it.

Angry Phase love is irrational, obsessive, needing to control the woman. She will resent you for it.

Red Pill love is about self control and truth, and part of that is the acceptance of what you can't control, and the acknowledgement that everything positive has a potential negative and vice versa. You control yourself and she controls herself and you accept if it works or not. Sometimes it lasts in love but sometimes it hurts instead.

OakTr3E · 2014-12-12T06:29:29+00:00

I can only speculate but from my experience. What made me tip over from nice feelings towards / attraction to "fall in love" before was a part of the blue pill mindset.

Before changing into "in love" there were thoughts of "how we would fit so well together in the future" and "she is all that". Since I probably never will have such thoughts again (unless swallowing the BP again, highly unlikely but you can never be 100% sure) I find it hard to believe I am able to fall "in love" again.

OKJaded · 2014-12-12T08:46:42+00:00

You can love someone, sure. That doesn't mean you let your walls down and throw caution to the wind. Understand her love for you is conditional.

2014-12-12T10:49:41+00:00

Of course you can but as a realist, you know what love is about for most western women. You can still find a few unicorns but most rp men still would not want to commit. This is primarily because women have no incentive to stay IF they fall out of love with you. They can leave you with a nice pay check for the next man but chances are a man would still want to stick around because there is a possibility he would still think of her as a nice woman that he likes if not loves and can get sex whenever and also, splitting would mean getting divorce raped too (cohabitation is as good as marriage after a while in the eyes of law). You have plenty of incentives to stay but she doesn't IF she falls out of love or gets bored.

Megid83 · 2014-12-12T13:30:32+00:00

I can honestly say that I love my girlfriend, and will soon be getting engaged. I've been through enough relationships both before and after the pill that have led me to becoming the man I am, and led me to the right woman. This woman understands what she's getting into committing to me, what I expect from her going forward, and what she can expect from me fore the rest of my life.

However I don't let love blind me from who I am. I'm still the person that her 30-something single friends call "controlling". There are still very real relationship dynamics that need to be monitored and kept in check.

The RedPill doesn't end at any stage of a relationship.

Indyhop · 2014-12-12T13:40:50+00:00

I managed to meet a good Red Pill woman with a SMV just a little lower than mine. I never went through that sappy love phase that most men do. I settled with her because she would be a good mother, great cook, and her RP upbringing she might at least hesitate and consider the consequences before riding the CC. That being said I do care for her for her deeply just not in the way people (betas) think of as love.

BluepillProfessor · 2014-12-13T07:23:27+00:00

<Can red pill men "fall in love"?

Of course. The Red Pill is about controlling your uncontrollable love and passion, not about destroying it completely. You can love. You just can't fully relax or trust and you need to understand how love works and what it is.

Women love their children. Women love the man who is pounding them into the mattress and invading her body regularly.

If you love her like a MAN and pound her into putty regularly then you have 'twu'wuv.' If you are a whiny bitch man who doesn't take care of business then she may love you but only as an irritating child. Women don't usually like having sex with their children.

I for one am not going to let go of those puppet strings. Ever. And I don't want to let them go. If all I have with my wife is an emotionally manipulated sex puppet I guess that is all I have ever wanted.

I always call her my "fun loving little fuck princess" and she says "get that cock over here right now." That is "love."

2014-12-12T06:10:13+00:00

If it can happen to Mark Minter, it can happen to anybody.

Mightaswellmakeone · 2014-12-12T06:54:19+00:00

Eh? Why should love change your actions? If you act in a certain way that causes a woman in your life to become loveable, why would you change into beta? Why wouldn't you continue to act in the way you did?

As for becoming vulnerable or emotionally hurt, that happens even without love. Life is vulnerability and emotional pain (as well as a million other things). These aren't reasons to stay away from love.

Having the emotional depth to feel love for another person is a wonderful thing. But, that doesn't mean you should start acting like a romcom character. You should still be willing to do what's best for you. And you should still be willing to walk away on your own terms if needed.

JJGladiator · 2014-12-12T11:07:16+00:00

"I'd argue that "Red pill" is the only real way love can exist. Though, nothing personal, I don't care for the term"

"...[Red Pill Men} can only love a woman when you know what/who she is. all else is loving a mirage."

https://twitter.com/whiskeyandashes

GreenPiller · 2014-12-13T08:20:53+00:00

"If she doesnt have the ability to hurt you then it was never love in the first place" What is love without hurt? Manipulation?

Movonnow · 2014-12-13T14:03:52+00:00

To fall in love with a woman usually means to get one itis for her and to be her bitch.

So, no.

2014-12-15T19:17:03+00:00

Yes you can fall in love. You can fall in love with a loyal dog, a new motorcycle, that faithful couch that is comfy everytime you sit on it, etc.

BluepillProfessor · 2015-03-01T15:44:38+00:00

The only way for "true love" to exist is to take your hands off of the puppet strings.

So twue luv requires you to stick your head in the guillotine and hand your woman the rope, hoping you can entertain her just enough for the rest of your life that she will not let go of the rope. Despite the women whispering poison in her ear that she can do better?

No thanks.

True love is just a roll you play, nothing more. Play it and pretend to be in true love (TM). So long as you can be the dominant man she will remain "in love."

Sfwonlynow · 2014-12-12T07:35:54+00:00

I really do like some girls and i do feel like i belong to someone, sometimes..

But i won't let myself lose control of the relationship again, no matter what.

And as you know, this is exactly what turns the girl on and so far keeps her loyal. Despite her testing, claiming she wanted the opposite.

Go ahead and take a second look at the sidebar material "women in love".

sunwukong15 · 2014-12-12T11:17:04+00:00

Yes. Of course you can. If you think you can't love because of the red pill you most likely have other issues. People who say you can't are in the anger or depression phase, or just don't want to love a women. Accept reality, feelings and love are part of reality.

Just because love doesn't work the way our feminizied society tells you it should does not mean it does not exist. Love in a dominate and assertive way, rather than the wimpy, whiney, beta way you envision it.

When you ignore your women and distance yourself from her after she crosses your boundries, recognize it as an act of love. You want to continue the relationship, so you treat her the way her biology demands you to treat her. This is only seen as "cruel" or "unloving" because you are still plugged into the reality feminized society has pushed on you. My stance is that if you think love is impossible when using the red pill, you are still conditioned to think like a feminized man, you have let feminism take love from you.

If you simply can't develop feelings for a women due to your disgust with female nature, again, you got other issues. Work on them. Or don't! You are a man and you can do what you want, thats TRP.

henry589 · 2014-12-12T10:10:40+00:00

sure but don't expect your woman to love you unconditionally. Unless you have been with a woman for 30+ years(?).

You would probably "fall in love" with a woman if she stays with you through when you are at your lowest, and she has the choice to leave the relationship, and not feel guilty, but she chooses to stay with you.

Adolf_ghandi · 2014-12-12T12:52:37+00:00

What do you mean by love?

Affection, carding about the well being of the other person? I'd say yes

Do you mean a severe case of oneitis? I guess the answer should be no in that case.

lubricatingglue · 2014-12-12T12:54:45+00:00

Think you can handle it? Think you will not slip? Then go for it. Intoxication is fun in moderation.

smokingmonkey420 · 2014-12-12T14:10:54+00:00

You cannot be both emotional and logical at the same time. I prefer to stay logical. I'd rather a woman be head over heels in love with me then the other way around.

SuperSlavisWife · 2014-12-12T14:25:57+00:00

You can't control your hormones any more than you can control hunger and sleep. Few people ever fully control a single one of their biological freight-trains, just angle it in the right direction and try and avoid it going runaway.

MajorStyles · 2014-12-14T08:25:14+00:00

I did. But i had to leave the USA to do it. Most American women are incapable of being loved.

NeopolitanAfterglow · 2014-12-12T16:56:14+00:00

This is like asking if health nuts can get sick.

Alegretron · 2014-12-12T18:49:23+00:00

I fall in love with a different woman every night:)

Title	Can red pill men "fall in love"?
Author	neubs
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Date	December 12, 2014 5:41 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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