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[–]The__Tren__Train 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
do NOT study business admin.
if you want to study the business side of education, go with accounting.
get your 150 units, take the CPA, and boom, your marketability in the business world skyrockets.
no need for an MBA or any advanced level of education beyond bachelor's degree.
[–]SunshineBlotters 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
If you are going for the 150 credit hours anyway you might as well get a Master's in Accounting.
Also be sure to get a great GPA so you can get a job in the Big 4 or a top 10/regional accounting company. This will make or break you after college.
[–]RedPrinceX 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is what I am currently doing. I agree it is pretty good so far.
[–]ovoxokhalil1 points 10 years ago [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link
If you look at a lot of CEO's, e.g. Jamie Dimon, they have an MBA. So could you clarify what you mean by not needing an MBA?
[–]The__Tren__Train 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
well, IMO, once you have your CPA, an MBA won't be of much use to you, unless it is from a top tier school.
a lot of top managers, including CFO's have backgrounds in accounting.
either way, an MBA represents a considerable investment..
[–]ovoxokhalil 1 points1 points1 points 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Ok I see what you are saying. However if you do not go the accounting route but instead decide to Study Economics and then pursue an MBA (at a top tier school), it would be a very useful qualification?
[–]The__Tren__Train 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah.
That's basically what I was trying to say. If you don't get your CPA, or any other professional designation, you pretty much will need a master's degree
[–]ovoxokhalil1 point 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
ok good, thank you for the advice.
[–]SunshineBlotters 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Im in accounting myself. So many people got an MBA that it became a worthless degree. Basically the same thing that is happening with law degrees right now.
The certifications are worth more than the degrees. Instead of an MBA, you will be better off having completed the CFA (which is what i have planned next).
MBAs, like law degrees, are only worth it if you can get into a top 10ish school for that major
Yh, A lot of the bankers, that I met during an internship, were pursuing a CFA certificate. However an MBA is more inline with my goals. I'm academically gifted (trying not to brag here) so I have a solid shot to get into a top Uni.
[–]50pluspiller 39 points40 points41 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Major in a STEM Field, minor in business.
You need hard science and math skills as technology is where the jobs and money will be.
[–]ksnyder1 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Definitely agree here. Engineers are desired in almost any field (Tom Landry, legendary football coach, was an engineer). And business is easy enough to minor in.
[–]Archange_ 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Study the best engineering specialty offered by the college you go to.
Having a minor in business could be good. But a CFA would teach you much more and in more structured way than a business minor; you may study for the CFA after college.
One class that you should think of auditing, if not outright taking, is marketing 101. It shows you the mindset of people in consumer products; this mindset has spilled over in many areas.
[–]NeoreactionSafe -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'd agree.
Those are the two most valued degrees.
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[–]robertpaulsontitties 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
I don't mean to rustle jimmies but I'm going to have to strongly disagree with posters advocating for a minor in anything, even in a very practical field. Let me be crystal clear: no one gives a fuck about your minor. It is just a time and money suck. If you go to college your objective is to get your degree in something practical (accounting, STEM, nursing, etc) while avoiding taking any unnecessary classes. This means that if you are taking a class, it fulfills either your major or core requirements. You should never take a class exclusively on the basis that you find the subject interesting, you read about that shit for free on your own time.
Another potential pitfall to be aware of is that there are a lot of fields that look good on paper but only become useful upon completion of grad school. Psychology is an example of this.
[–]mrpCamper 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I interview college kids regularly and i will agree that I pay no attention to minors. Basically, they do not spend enough time doing anything to learn anything of value.
[–]arrayay 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A minor in mathematics can get you interviews, regardless of your major.
[–]Kathulos 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This should be posted in askTRP.
Make sure you acquire a marketable skill with your degree. I have a degree now I am qualified to market my skills doing xyz.
I have a business administration degree. It is an expensive and simultaneously worthless piece of paper that states this individual is kinda smart, sorta motivated, and will probably show up on time. Worst decision I ever made.
[–]towmule[S] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Didn't even know that askTRP existed, thank you.
Sorry about your decision, I wish I could get into business without a degree, as I've been responsible for more shit in the military than any college graduate has, but without it in my resume, I'm sure I won't even get an interview.
[–]Kathulos 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm over it. It is in the past.(except for the loans) Take advantage of the GI monies and develop relationships with your professors. I can't stress enough getting a degree that gives you a marketable skill(teaching nursing, accounting as examples not suggestions) or go the stem route.
[–]bokehnikon 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You were in the military? I assume you have had a security clearance? Then study CS, even a 6 month certification program. I assume you have the basic smarts for CS because you're contemplating aerospace engineering. Anyway, a security clearance (or technically, SC eligibility since you're a civilian now) is the FIRST thing IT recruiters look for. It's virtually an automatic hire for many positions.
For those with vague thoughts of a "business career" one has to first learn either the technical (IT, accounting) or street-level (sales) knowledge first, THEN learn the business administration part.
[–]quackMeme 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
English lit, I hear Yelp is hiring.
[–]Refigerator1043 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Check out the book Worthless by Aaron Clarey.
[–]Red_Swords 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You shouldn't be going back to college UNTIL you a have a clear path.
Ask yourself, what do you really want to do?
The problem most people make when going to college (other than stumbling aimlessly into debt), is that they don't have a fucking clue what they actually want. And there are different levels to this, too:
1) You have people that that don't even have a major selected yet.
2) You have people that have narrowed it down to maybe one or two majors, but no career goals.
3) You have people that have a few potential career goals, but haven't settled on what direction to commit to.
Notice the key word in level 3, "commit."
Your degree is a commitment - it's a huge investment of your time and money, so you better be sure you know where your going, and what your doing, before you start down the college path.
With that in mind, here's my advice:
1) Know exactly what you want to do, and then find out what degree you need to start doing it. That means your first step is to pick a career and commit; if you aren't comfortable making that kind of decision, then maybe college isn't for you.
2) Plan where you'll go to school, how you'll finance it, and how long you expect it to take. I highly suggest starting at a community college and transferring to a university after the first two years. A little-known fact: Transfer students can get a lot of great scholarship offers (sometimes even full tuition) from universities, if they crush it in community college.
If you can't pick a single direction, don't go to college until you do. You won't ever have some magical epiphany - similar to women, this isn't a Disney movie. you have to decide what you want, and then just go for it. Plan before you act, and don't be fooled into thinking that you have to take on huge amounts of debt for a degree; there are plenty of grant and scholarship opportunities, if you're a hard-working student.
[–]ManOfGrapes 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is by far the best response. Telling OP to pursue a STEM field even if he possibly has no genuine interest is poor advice, as he is more likely to not do exceedingly well. The degree is a huge commitment of both time and money, and it's prime years where one can be shaping themselves both physically and mentally. Colleges are not necessarily the best place to do so anymore, with outrageous price tags and rape accusations at every corner. OP needs to have his finances accounted for, and a true reason to go. Not to "find himself" along the way.
[–]Archange_ 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You are right. But companies and society require that expensive piece of paper. With the right specialty, it pays off in 5-6 years.
[–]aditas 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
One of those is clearly superior but it is not for you. Pick the other and make sure you don't get into debt.
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[–]LifeMedic 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If everything else is the same (cost, etc), then Engineering>Business.
[–]Archange_ 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Chemical engineer here so I understand your choice.
Make sure that the Systems Engineering taught at your uni is good. Most unis have a few departments that are good and the rest are there to fit students in. It is important that you go to a good department.
Systems Engineering is as hard as the other engineering specialties and will develop your mind. As for your interest in IT entrepreneurship, you must learn programming. Good programming is more general than learning a programming language and mastering its intricacies. You learn programming through one or two languages but good programming is not tied to a particular language. Do not shy away from the effort of learning programming and a programming language; take CS as a minor.
[–][deleted] 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The department of ISE at National University of Singapore has a agreement for students to spend a semester at Georgia Tech. According to USA Today Georgia Tech has the best ISE department in the USA. So ISE must be a good department at NUS, otherwise Georgia Tech would not associate with them.
[–]equinnox1 point 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I think the full major of this person is Industrial and Systems Engineering, as in industrial systems? At my school it's called Industrial Management Engineering. Computer Systems Engineering is a totally different major. Then again, I might be wrong and that could be a dual major
I would have made the same choice. I hope you like math and physics. If you don't, nope the fuck out
[–]Philhelm 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Honestly, if you don't have a clear path, then you might want to reconsider going back to college. I'm not one of those people who believes that college is for chumps, as even less-valued degrees that are so often trashed here can open more doors than no degree at all, but if you aren't truly motivated by what you are pursuing then you'll likely end up with many regrets.
I'm not the smartest person ever, but I am highly intelligent. I got mostly A's with a peppering of B's with little to no studying, my SAT was higher than the high school valedictorian's, I'd score in the top 1% on all of the standardized math tests, I got the top possible overall score for the Army ASVAB, I can speak a dozen languages, know every local custom, and with a little luck I have the Grail already.
The problem is that none of that means shit without a clear objective. I never had a clear path and was always undermined with the "you can do whatever you want" bullshit from people who should have told me otherwise. Intelligence will almost always be trumped by determination, motivation, and a clear objective. For instance, you could be the most intelligent person in the world, but when you're running for office, you'll be made to look like a fool by the 120 IQ guy that did have an interest in studying law.
[–]taw127 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree with this in part.
If you're not going to a top 20 school (maybe top 50) don't bother. It won't do too much (other than give you the right qualifications for a professional school like law, medical, or the likes).
However, say you're hell-bent on attending college. Major in a STEM field and minor (or just take a bunch of classes) in philosophy.
STEM fields will help make you hireable out of college. Philosophy will force you to read classic texts and analyze the thoughts and ideologies of men (Plato, Aristotle, Rousseau, Kant, etc.) who shaped the world we currently live in.
You have political aspirations. Philosophy will in part help you mold your thinking towards that goal. Read the works of the major contract theorists and analyze every document, essay, and speech you can get your hands on from modern-era American and European politicians/lawmakers.
Also I'm curious why law doesn't interest you. Not to be dismissive, but most 18-20 year olds have very little idea why they want to pursue a particular field. What is it about law that turns you off so much?
[–]wakocid 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Some guys are not smart enough to get a "good" degree. But any degree is at least a start and can put you years ahead of others without a degree. No, you can't go into a lifetime of debt and you are going to start in a shitty job, but there are many broke doctors, lawyers, a even a few accountants out there...
[–]moronthatlater 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Whatever you do stay out of debt. Find the absolute cheapest way to get your degree. If that means a couple years at community college - as llaaaaaaammmmeeeeee as that sounds - do it. I graduated with $1500 debt and was essentially 10-years ahead of my peers with personal finances. You will likely want the money you'd be socking into paying off a loan to buy a house, vacation, and plan for retirement. Your value will go up if you can minimize student loans.
[–]Noolaw 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
True power is in finance buddy. You want to learn to play the money game. With money you can buy almost 99% out of the people there. You want to be able to control the resources so you can command people to be your slaves.
[–]joseph_fuzzco_Jr 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is true. I'm a finance major myself. Learn to control money, and you learn to control people.
[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'm going back to school as well and considering this too. My school (large decent state university) offers a major in entrepeneurship out of the business school that i'm considering. Feedback on this idea?
[–]Archange_ 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do not major in entrepreneuship !!! It sounds like mega bullshit.
But do take classes in basic finance, accounting, writing business plans and raising financing.
I am chemical engineer. I advocate studying the best engineering specialty at your uni, because the quality of teaching varies tremendously.
[–]TWYW2 points 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You don't learn entrepreneurship in class, you do it.
[–]_the_shape_ 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My advice - pursuit something practical, perhaps something technical, stay the fuck away from liberal arts nonsense (i.e. gender studies, poli-sci, anthropology) and in your spare time, sharpen your speaking and writing capabilities. I've been offered promotions to positions I was highly unqualified for simply because I presented my thoughts cogently, and I've seen superiors perceived as complete troglodytes among the staff because their writing skills were on par with a dull third grader.
[–]PabloEscoba 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Law or political science is your best bet for politics.
[–]StarDestinyGuy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Business Administration is too generic and broad. It's like majoring in Management. It doesn't mean much of anything.
If you major in business, you need to specialize in a specific area.
Finance, accounting, marketing, supply chain operations, management information systems, etc.
All of those are great fields to pursue.
[–]il-est-ressuscite 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Approach it from the perspective of an opportunity for your personal intellectual prosperity. There's more to education than becoming a foot soldier for capitalism.
[–]mrpCamper 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I interview college kids a lot. First of all as for business degrees I'll give more credit to your degree if it's in Economics, Accounting or Finance as they are simply harder and I respect them more.
I would advise against a business administration degree. You'll come out not knowing enough to qualify you for anything that is not pretty low income and fairly boring. All the decent paying jobs in a business field will go to the Accounting and Finance kids.
Engineering is much more lucrative and interesting. This goes for the type of work you'll be doing as well.
If I see a degree in engineering, I would be more apt to give that kid an interview above the other degrees mentioned before hand. all other things equal of course.
Hope that helps.
[–]bulldoozer 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Business Admin. can get solid jobs in management. It isn't sexy to say you are in a management training program at a Target or an Aldi out of college, but it pays pretty damn well.
Besides that - go finance/econ if at a good school or otherwise accounting. Do both is possible. Accounting is just as marketable as a STEM degree and with a CPA you have one of the safest degrees on the planet.
The work can suck ass though, but it can open you up to opportunities much easier. Accounting kids can get accounting jobs and finance jobs. Finance kids can't do the same.
[–]smthsmth 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
(re-submitting because previous comment was auto-deleted for linking to ask TRP)
isn't this a better topic for askTRP?
regardless, you're asking the wrong question.
I've narrowed it down to either business administration or aerospace engineering.
those are completely different things. you haven't narrowed down shit.
also you say
I'd like to get into politics in the future
what does "get into" mean to you? run for office? do you realize this means quitting your (hopefully) high paying job, risking your professional reputation and financial security? i don't think you realize how unappealing this would be if you have a family.
you need to ask yourself:
what do i like doing? what am i good at? what do i want my work day to look like? what kind of work/life balance do i want? do you want a job more focused on interacting with people, or doing stuff?
when you can answer those questions you'll have a much better idea of what to major in.
some more advice: go in with a plan for what job you want to get after college. the BLS has a database of various careers with ball-park correct information.
[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do a dual degree in business and some sciencey-type field, subject to your skill set.
Also, learn languages. I'd say Russian, Spanish and/or Portuguese, depending on what flavor of chick you like.
[–]removol 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Aerospace engineering sounds hard. Are you sure you're going to be able to get through multivariable calculus and those physics classes? Be honest with yourself and how much you will/can study.
Business is good as long as you focus on hard skills. e.g. hardcore accounting and not bullshit management or marketing classes.
[–]KEMiKAL_NSF 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Aerospace engineer checking in. Go with aerospace. Your wallet will thank you later. Do not take out student loans (I just finished paying mine off). Avoid drinking and pharmaceuticals or at least limit partying to one night a week. Use protection no matter what lies she tells you about pills. When you graduate and get a job, make sure it is one that has travel included (Launch base campaigns are rad, and those parties put college parties to shame). If you launch out of Kourou with Arianne make sure you learn the Kourou handshake... That one could save you some embarrassment. Good luck.
[–]WhenItComesYouKnow 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Telling him to not take out student loans is out of touch advice. Building social skills and networking is important in college, whether through organizations and clubs or simply making friends. It is impossible to work enough hours to pay off tuition/housing/food/car/phone, take all the courses you need, graduate on time, and have any kind of life. I tried, even at a state school with some academic scholarships.
Take out the absolute smallest loans you can that allow you to continue at a good school and eat. Pay them off immediately. Work hard and long all summer and you can usually pay off a semester of tuition.
[–]KEMiKAL_NSF 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Join the army. Get them to pay. Or find a company that will pay for your schooling. If you cannot find an alternative means than taking a student-rape loan, then you aren't trying hard enough. Live at home and go to JC for 2 years and then transfer in to a 4 year uni. There's all kinds of ways to do it. Using OPM for something that you can't live in or sell is retarded.
[–]1favours_of_the_moon -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah major in the engineering, minor in business.
Take some courses in technical and fundamental analysis of financial charts. It will help you learn to day trade.
Personally, I would also advocate minoring in Art with an emphasis on photography. The hotter a bitch is, the more confident she will be, hence the more likely she will be to remove her clothing for some pretentious intellectual concept.
Philosophy bitches are down with the "self righteous indignation," but they are slightly less likely to strip down just for the sake of "art."
[–]eccentricrealist -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you want admin you can study something like economics, and not the liberal arts kind, then study an MBA. Otherwise, if you do go to aerospace make sure you can land something good with some airline or NASA.
[–]wavereddit -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
economics, mba, science, medicine, psychology (Hannibal Lecter)
[–]internet_terrorist -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Why not do all three?
Get the engineering degree and get your experience in the industry. Add the MBA later and open your own engineering firm. Then later, as a business leader in your community enter local politcs.
[–]7thsonofthe7thson 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Then become the king of the world(¿ what?) and fuck V.S angels and other A list celebs, driving your 2020 ferrari simultaneously. OP must understand what he is getting into. A B.S and then an MBA does not guarantee you a successful engineering business. And a successful engineering business does not guarantee political support to win elections. Don't mislead.
[–]internet_terrorist -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Didn't say get the MBA right away did I?
Add the MBA later Then later, as a business leader in your community
20 years as an engineer, 20 years as a businessman, 20 years as a politician then you're dead. not a bad life.
The world doesn't suck bro and goals aren't for chumps.
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