They Call It the Reverse Gender Gap: Faced with a shrinking pool of men on their level, some young women are settling and marrying “down,” but others will jump on planes for “dating excursions” to cities like New York, San Francisco and Boston where the male market is more promising.

icanteventhecat · 2014-05-12T01:03:37+00:00

I saw this first hand in Korea, Japan, and Hong Kong: the local women despise the local men. EDIT: However, the local men are fawned over by other Asian women, especially from less-developed regions like Mainland China and Southeast Asia. I've even read Eastern Russian women are starting to go after Japanese and Korean men.

HK has be to hypergamy hell: it's one of the few developed regions where young women significantly outnumber young men. You'd think there would be fierce female competition for average men right? Wrong. Throw in a tiny uber-elite class of businessmen and bankers, and average men are invisible. HK women are so utterly miserable in their desperate pursuit of status; they would rather be 10th on an elite man's list and jump at a 3 am booty call than have a decent middle-class man to themselves. A tiny fraction of people actually get what they want.

nyrp · 2014-05-11T22:12:51+00:00

So when women are behind it's a gender gap.

When men are behind, it's not a gender gap. It's a reverse gender gap.

Otherwise we dilute women's monopoly on victimization!!

The only gender gap I care about is the gender gap between your thighs.

culofiesta · 2014-05-11T23:00:28+00:00

The problem is most women think their level is much higher than it is. If you can only get dates with losers it's because you are a loser.

Schrodingersdawg · 2014-05-11T18:09:42+00:00

This state of affairs is not confined to the United States. The trend is global. Japanese and South Korean men are importing brides from poorer Asian countries with traditional attitudes about marriage.

Saw this coming.

kinklianekoff · 2014-05-11T18:17:47+00:00

the education system in most of the West is fast track streamlined for the women described in this article to arrive at their service sector job with bloated salary compared to production.

With that said, I doubt the analysis is even correct. Saying that there isn't men who earn more than them in their area is unlikely as the pay gap if there even is one is not huge. What I'd rather think is an issue is that these are post-wall women with a serious hamster issue seeing as they have effectively broken the af/bb by providing for themselves while simultanously not begin attractive enough for the small amount of AF at their age.

kinklianekoff · 2014-05-11T17:52:53+00:00

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windycityman · 2014-05-11T21:00:22+00:00

Good news for the educated, successful guys who are on the top end of the 20/80 phenomenon. The rich get richer.

aescetic · 2014-05-11T22:46:00+00:00

“Women here are doing the same jobs as men,” Yeah. Tons of women contracters/electricians/plumbers.

radpthrowaway · 2014-05-11T18:00:17+00:00

How are New York and Boston better for women? There are statistically more women than men in NE coastal cities.

santaincarnate · 2014-05-11T23:14:30+00:00

This happens a lot in London. Go out to the bars and clubs in Mayfair, the City, or Canary Wharf on a Friday night and most of the girls aren't local office workers - they're Essex girls tarted up to the nines and trying to shag a banker

Lithiumthium · 2014-05-12T03:15:21+00:00

First of all hello from Brazil.

Yeah it is happening around some cities here, women's behaviour is almost men like, they hit you, they use pickup lines, some of them do the "hiwhatsyournamedoyouwantmetospitorswallow" approach.

My theory is that these women, while on their 7 to 10 in hotness scale can't compete with those 5's and 6's that knows ( thanks to lots of failures ) what men seek in a SO, they are nerdy, these 5's know politics, they can engage in a conversation, they understand their role and the role of their opposites, of course ye olde rules apply for beta/alpha/etc, but they are not that strong in 10 women for 1 man enviroments, women that can't adapt this new enviroment tilts, myself and some other friends had this strange situation where a car with 3 women "asked us out", it was... weird, they were open, 0 shit tests, looking for something more 'deep' like a relationship, DTF, it was... Damn...

But well, it had a catch, the 3 girls were as crazy as they were hot, pure Barney Stinson's Crazy/hotscale.

Anyways it comes to this: Intelligent 5's and 6's gets the best men and they end up in a happy relationship while dumb 7's+ gets desperate cause the only thing they get is one night of sex then get dumped, and most men are taken or gay, and there aren't much left.

Sorry for my bad engrish.

isthatyourdaughter · 2014-05-11T21:08:52+00:00

Many couples are perfectly content and well adjusted, but for the stigmatizing opposition of friends, family, in-laws and even religious traditions...

...The stigma, sometimes subtle, sometimes blatant, undermines relationships between high-earning women and the husbands or boyfriends who are secondary earners or “househusbands,”

LOL

Husband- "We never have sex anymore!!"

Wife- "Quit yelling at me. I told you, these religious traditions make me feel stigmatized!!"

lagspike · 2014-05-12T03:59:07+00:00

"young women are settling, or marrying down"...

lets see...stages of grief...this sounds like denial.

you know, like that 4/10 whale who thinks she deserves brad pitt.

doctorhaughty · 2014-05-12T08:26:55+00:00

“We’ve arrived at the top of the staircase, finally ready to start our lives, only to discover a cavernous room at the tail end of the party, most of the men gone already, some having never shown up — and those who remain are leering by the cheese table, or are, you know, the ones you don’t want to go out with.”

Hm, sounds a lot like what happens to the aging blue pillers.

otiswild · 2014-05-11T18:06:36+00:00

What would be sad if it wasn't so deliciously schadenfreudesque, is that the women most likely to be high-T and career driven are the ones most hypergamous. So their drive is pushing them to need to compete for higher-and-higher status alpha males, who have NO LTR/marriage interest in them. If they were smart, they'd go for SF/SJ/Palo Alto and hope to find the highest possible status betas etc., who are hopefully (for them) too stupid or brainwashed to know them for what they are: status-diggers. And even then, the lower-T females who are more feminine and who haven't sacrificed their youth to their ambition will likely win out aside from the most heavily-programmed males (who will make them the MOST miserable).

2014-05-12T08:06:16+00:00

This reminds me of those guys who actually think they can just mail order this perfect, submissive, beautiful bride from Ukraine or Colombia for 50-100k and they can circumvent being a total beta bucks loser with a one time payment. It's a delusion - you can't just be this low value dude who can't get girls, and then just cheat the system and have a 9 waiting to cook for you and suck your dick. Even if you have the money required to buy that, she isn't going to be content in that role for long, she'll say thanks for the American citizen ship, divorce you, take your shit, and prepare to go jack a richer guy.

The problem for these women looking to travel to richer pastures to find a beta bucks is that there is a true scarcity here. While there will always be an abundance of pussy, there is an actual # wealthy, desirable men. In the past that number kept increasing due to the benefits of capitalism and patriarchy, meaning more and more women were able to date these guys, get put into at least a middle class comfortable life, etc. Yet now with 40:60 male - female graduates, pussy passes in virtually all difficult fields / careers for women, male taxes such as alimony / CS... good luck.

If you want to view men as a resource to extract, as nothing more than a commodity, then you have to get in line behind every other gold digger trying to do the same. Beta bucks will keep on growing and growing in demand, but the supply is hard-locked by socio-economic factors. This means that the in-demand commodity, even if they are beta, can raise their price and in this context that means only more attractive girls will be getting their beta bucks.

Plus in economically tighter times for men, where a lower % of men will be succeeding through various biased environments... you've gotta assume that the ones who do "make it rich" will be smarter. During financial downturns, it's the crafty ones, the ones who intuitively understand the reality at play who manage to succeed. While the boom of the 90s basically let any moron with a little work ethic and luck make it into the middle / upper middle class, it will be very, very different for the next 20 years or so by my estimation. (Which, take it for what you will, I'm not a econ phd).

Women want "alpha bucks" basically. The comfort and security of beta bucks + the thrill of dating a high status, powerful guy. Women will SETTLE for beta bucks and be reasonable happy, so the media figured there would be no harm in beta-izing men and pussifying the western world. Fine. But when you redistribute the wealth via socio-economic tinkering / soft-engineering, then you create BROKE BETAS, the absolute worst combination to a woman, the ultimate pussy-drier.

2014-05-12T08:23:33+00:00

This quote is particularly obnoxious. "If, in all sectors of society, women are on the ascent, and if gender parity is actually within reach, this means that a marriage regime based on men’s overwhelming economic dominance may be passing into extinction.”

This so called "marriage regime", for the past 50 years, has been men handling the needs of women so they don't have to break their backs working 60 hour work weeks. Yes, men have been dominating women by paying for their shit... What is she talking about "passing this marriage regime based on men's economic dominance into extinction"... what exactly does she think will replace it?

A marriage regime based on female's economic dominance is the obvious answer, but certainly they can extrapolate from this phenomena what that would look like.

SirNemesis · 2014-05-12T12:52:51+00:00

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kinklianekoff · 2014-05-11T18:28:02+00:00

Relevant blackdragon blog post about this

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