What Malcolm X learned from prostitutes.

kevvied · 2014-06-01T22:40:58+00:00

"Seeing the hallways and stairs busy any hour of the night with white and black men coming and going was no more than one would expect when one lived in a building out of which prostitutes were working. But what astonished me was the full-house crowd that rushed in between, say, six and seven-thirty in the morning, then rushed away, and by about nine, I would be the only man in the house.

"It was husbands — who had left home in time to stop by this St. Nicholas Avenue house before they went on to work. Of course not the same ones every day, but always enough of them to make up the rush. And it included white men who had come in cabs all the way up from downtown.

"Domineering, complaining, demanding wives who had just about psychologically castrated their husbands were responsible for the early rush. These wives were so disagreeable and had made their men so tense that they were robbed of the satisfaction of being men. To escape this tension and the chance of being ridiculed by his own wife, each of these men had gotten up early and come to a prostitute.

"The prostitutes had to make it their business to be students of men. They said that after most men passed their virile twenties, they went to bed mainly to satisfy their egos, and because a lot of women don't understand it that way, they damage and wreck a man's ego. No matter how little virility a man has to offer, prostitutes make him feel for a time that he is the greatest man in the world. That's why these prostitutes had that morning rush of business. More wives could keep their husbands if they realized their greatest urge is to be men."

[. . .]

"Most men, the prostitutes felt, were too easy to push around. Every day these prostitutes heard their customers complaining that they never heard anything but griping from women who were being taken care of and given everything. The prostitutes said that most men needed to know what the pimps knew. A woman should occasionally be babied enough to show her the man had affection, but beyond that she should be treated firmly. These tough women said that it worked with them. All women, by their nature, are fragile and weak: they are attracted to the male in whom they see strength."

Memento_Mori_Comitis · 2014-06-01T22:39:37+00:00

This is fucking awesome. Thank you for sharing.

I would also point out that there's clearly a timelessness to this dynamic. Malcom X would have been in his teens and early twenties (ie when he was observing this) in the 1940s and into 1950s which is a time when many seem to think men ruled the world and yet, clearly, even in NYC (where the "Masters of the Universe" reside) pampered women still treated their husbands (which is to say their caregivers, protectors, and providers) with such demeaning vitriol to put in motion this kind of exchange under the express pretense of men trying to simply be seen as men.

I honestly think this speaks to the nature of marriage in general.

Wes798 · 2014-06-01T22:31:00+00:00

I found it particularly interesting because I had stereotypically imagined that marriage in the early 1900's was mostly dominate men oppressing their forced-to-stay-at-home housewives. I guessed things have always been the same.

Sturmgeist781 · 2014-06-01T22:48:48+00:00

More wives could keep their husbands if they realized their greatest urge is to be men.

Truth no matter what pill you swallow.

frequentlywrong · 2014-06-02T04:31:25+00:00

They say men should study pimps. That is true. Pimping is pure ruthless game. Pimp by Iceberg Slim is an awesome book.

Archwinger · 2014-06-02T14:27:25+00:00

This material highlights the difference between real sex and duty sex. I'd argue that paying a prostitute isn't exactly real sex, but it's somewhere between duty sex and real sex. Rollo wrote something about this, I think.

A married man who gets shit on by his wife on an hourly basis doesn't feel like a man at home. His wife may fuck him once every month or two, but this is out of duty, not want. It's solely a transaction. Just enough of a trickle of sex to keep the marriage going, and not a drop more. Because she doesn't respect her husband as a man, doesn't really want to have sex with him, but gives just enough sex to keep the time, attention, and resources coming from her husband. Even when he has sex with her (e.g., when she lets him), it's not satisfying for him. She lays there, starfish-like, and just waits for him to finish. If he manages to catch her eye during the act, he can see how badly she doesn't want him inside of her. Sex with his wife just leaves him feeling more empty and less of a man.

When a man takes another woman, who knows he's married, and knows he's not leaving his wife for her, sex isn't a duty. All the other woman is getting out of the deal is sex. She's fucking the man because she wants to. And that's satisfying. It's validating. It makes him feel like a man. It makes him feel attractive, powerful, masculine.

A prostitute is somewhere between the two. She wants the man's money, and nothing more. She doesn't have to do business with him -- plenty of other johns -- but she chooses to. And for the next chunk of time, he's the king of the world. He has a woman pleasuring him like she means it, because he's powerful. He's the john with cash. He's the man.

Men don't fuck whores because they're horny animals who just want to get their dick wet at all costs. Men fuck whores because real sex (or at least something approximating it) validates them. When the woman you're supposed to love and spend your life with doesn't fuck your brains out nightly, you know deep down inside that something's not right. You know that it's not quite natural that your wife doesn't desire you sexually. You instinctively understand that sex (or lack thereof) is the barometer of where your relationship stands, even though society shouts at you that you're a pig and a shitlord for ever thinking that sex should be a matter of course in your marriage. Men turn to whores when they've lost their wives, in practice if not in legal status, and don't know what to do to fix things.

Meatclap · 2014-06-02T03:35:20+00:00

I have a lot of respect for Malcolm X. This passage was brilliant and most observant. Would be a strange world indeed if wives of henpecked men could red this and actually see fault in their own actions rather than adversity against which they must justify their own actions.

What kills me is we all see the wheel spinning; They know what they're doing is disastrous, we know what they're doing is disastrous, competing with men rather than complimenting them as women has made people unhappy, and continue to do so. It's like a pig suddenly becoming self-aware of what it is and what it does, and then choosing to continue to live in it's own filth anyway.

I could go on, and judging from the comments a lot of you could as well. I'll just say mad love/respect for brother Malcolm, and his insight.

zephyrprime · 2014-06-02T14:48:50+00:00

Very interesting to read. He has some great insights straight from the horses mouth.

However, Malcolm makes some mistakes and shows that he's still somewhat bluepill. He mistakenly believes that the women are just accidentally being bitches and that the problem is that they don't know how to keep their men. "More wives could keep their husbands if they realized their greatest urge is to be men." He mistakenly believes that the women simply lack the knowledge of what a man wants (to be men).

In truth, the reality is much worse. Women will actively seek to emasculate their men because it is their instinct to do so. It is no accident that this happens. Women follow their hypergamous instincts and will seek to weed out any man who is not alpha enough - even if this means weeding out their own husband.

FortunateBum · 2014-06-01T21:49:19+00:00

Good find.

niceguy_gone_cad · 2014-06-02T05:25:45+00:00

Pure gold. I'll add it to my list of Red Pill books to read.

someboringdude · 2014-06-02T18:02:16+00:00

"Domineering, complaining, demanding wives who had just about psychologically castrated their husbands were responsible for the early rush.

likechoklit4choklit · 2014-06-02T14:33:30+00:00

Maybe the problem is monogamy, not women's behavior. I see a lot of generalizations flying in these responses, but what it really comes down to is that we are all selfish actors that have strong drive towards community. The community builds the norms, the norms influence the child, the child eventually maintains the community. Men and women alike crave novelty in sexual partners and life experience. We are also living in a media saturated environment and given little views of what it could be like to sleep with whomever strikes us. It also reinforces the "one and only love, forever and ever" rather than a series or multiple "loves" that humans are totally capable of.

Taking the 4 to 7 years estimates for monogamy to fall apart (just enough to ween a child) perhaps rather than blaming women for having the balls to spin a husband like a plate, we should be rethinking the nature of our social bonds.

I don't think Malcolm X nailed his analysis here. These men may have been unhappy because they were multiple years into a marriage, working an industrial era job in a populated place, with kids and other societally demanding obligations, and the only opportunity to find a piece of fresh and stimulating sexual intimacy was the early morn. Further, a man can fuck a whore while simultaneously totally loving his wife.

There isn't a life lesson in these words; just an opinion about observed behavior.

Cyhawk · 2014-06-02T06:38:43+00:00

"cesspool morals of the white man"

waaah whitey keepin' me down!

LordOfMurderMountain · 2014-06-02T06:29:51+00:00

Amen.

Oracle712 · 2014-06-28T09:13:49+00:00

It's too much work to sustain a marriage in this society. Better to be single than miserable.

johnadams1234 · 2014-06-02T06:03:14+00:00

There's a reason Malcolm X ended up embracing Islam. There's a lot of alignment between Islamic principles, and what's being discussed here:

A man is the Imam of his household. Imam is an Arabic word that literally means the leader.
Muslims bow before no one but God, but according to one Hadith I have read, if permission was going to be given for anyone to bow in front of another, it would be for the woman to bow to her husband.
A man may take up to 4 wives, but a woman may not take multiple husbands. This is due to the psychological differences between the genders.
A man may grant divorce to his wife, but a woman cannot initiate divorce. In cases of abuse, she may be released from her marriage by a judge.
Women keep their bodies covered except for their husbands. If you consider it seriously, you'll realize that a woman flaunting her assets is disrespecting not only other women around her, but also the men, who are expected to sit by passively.
A woman who angers her husband and doesn't ask for forgiveness is cursed by the angels until the following morning.
Obedience to her husband is part of a woman's worship of God.
A woman cannot leave her house without her husband's permission.
When a man and women marry, the man gives a Mahr to the wife (a gift. usually a substantial amount of money or land). In the case of a divorce, this is what the woman keeps, nothing else. Prevents the marrying-for-money that's so common in the US.

Islam is the most balanced way of life, and treats women fairly too. So, for example:

Cheating by either gender is prohibited in marriage, and the penalties are severe, up to and including death.
Fornication is prohibited. So all the guys talking about scoring women on this sub, that's a load of unethical shit.
When a man takes a wife, he is required to maintain her and their children together.
Women are not prohibited from working, and whatever income they gain through work is theirs. In particular, her husband may not use her income for her upkeep, if she doesn't consent.
Women are not prohibited from education.

Now, no woman in America is going to admit that she could be happy under the circumstances outlined above. "That's so oppressed, I could never be happy" they'll say. But you know what? Deep down they know the reality is that they would be happiest to have a strong man controlling and guiding them, who won't take bullshit and who demands respect, and gives respect in return.

And if you're a guy and you're trying to live your life by what women say, you're a loser. Wake up bro! Follow the Word of God and you will become a true man.

aazav · 2014-06-02T11:49:09+00:00

Summary: Never let your woman be a bitch. Never let her make you her bitch.

Wes798 · 2014-06-01T22:45:38+00:00

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BibulousCinephile · 2014-06-02T02:14:58+00:00

the "cesspool morals of the white man" ?

go fuck yourself.

BendoHendo · 2014-06-02T03:05:26+00:00

"Bitches ain't nothing but hoes and tricks" - Malcom "Sex" X

watersign · 2014-06-02T00:17:53+00:00

Good read, id like to see what the excerpt said about white women playing the field hard as prostitues. The funny thing is, black people are 100% worse when it comes to this shit. Literally the worst

Title	What Malcolm X learned from prostitutes.
Author	Wes798
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Date	June 1, 2014 9:45 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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