How big can you really get without using steroids and is it worth it?

fanfanye · 2019-11-23T16:42:58+00:00

You have only been lifting for 6months... I'd be very very impressed if you somehow got a body worth to be impressed

Lift for another 2years minimum then think about steroids

wontonloup8 · 2019-11-23T16:49:57+00:00

Is it possible without steroids? Is that a serious question?

Stop being lazy and eat more. If it were easy to be ripped everyone would be.

In all seriousness, at about 6 months you should be able to tell a noticeable difference in yourself. Around a year other people will start noticing and complimenting. After two years of solid diet and training, that’s when the jokes will come about “all you do is workout” from the insecure with no motivation, and also when girls start being much “handsy” with you (assuming other areas of your life are in check).

As someone who’s done two cycles in the past, it is not worth it unless you plan on bringing in some sort of income from the sport. They’re expensive, shady to find, and a pain in the ass to run properly. That’s not even getting into potential side effects down the road.

thrwy75479 · 2019-11-23T16:46:42+00:00

"The day you started lifting is the day you became forever small because you will never be as big as you want to be." - BroScience

is it worth it?

Fuck yes.

dirsa1122 · 2019-11-23T16:47:47+00:00

It’s takes the average guy 5-10 years of vigorous effort in the gym to reach their genetic limit naturally. Especially being a taller guy, it’s going to take longer to fill out. But to your question, google genetic limit calculator, and it will give you an estimate based on your height, wrist and ankle size. But if I had to guess, I would say you’re approaching your genetic potential (at 6’1) when you hit 220ish lbs at 10-15% body fat

deathhandmachiavelli · 2019-11-23T16:53:50+00:00

You aren't eating enough.

It only took me a couple of months to put on 15-20 lbs. A lot of it was fat, sure, but I look MUCH better.

The way I did it, was I would eat as much as I could, and then chug some milk. This doesn't work for everyone, some people end up getting fat.

Everyone was asking me how I got so buffed and my shirts all got tight. I would lift heavy and EAT and rest.

But if you haven't seen significant results, its usually lack of caloric intake.

A LOT of guys think that lifting and eating some protein will make you big, WRONG. It doesn't. Its the lack of the increase in caloric consumption as the NUMBER ONE reason why people don't get the results they want.

I'm not as ripped as someone on the gear, but they look like tryhards as well. I think I actually look better to be honest, and have hotter girls after me than they do for some reason.

The answer to your question: You can increase your SMV about 3 points by lifting without roids. And 3 points is a motherfucking world of difference.

muricanwerewolf1 · 2019-11-23T18:29:07+00:00

Beginner lifters are funny because they seem to think that they’ve been doing it for 6 months and aren’t mass monsters, clearly, there’s nothing wrong with their routine or diet so it must be a deficiency in testosterone.

MrBowlfish · 2019-11-23T16:53:36+00:00

It’ll take about 2 years to get something approximating your genetic potential. That’s if you’re pushing yourself pretty hard but wisely and efficiently. You’ll get 80% of your growth there and the other 20% over the following 5 years, roughly.

Steroids just make you look like an action figure and don’t really help with women. They are for impressing other men.

Whisper · 2019-11-23T18:57:02+00:00

I'm about your height, and I weigh in at about 225-230. People keep telling me I look like a freak beast, and I know they're right, but I don't feel huge... and neither will you.

Why? Because it comes on slowly. The size you are will always feel... normal. Average sized. The proper size for a person to be. You'll never feel big. But other people will see you that way.

We get used to stuff. One of my girlfriends is pixie-sized, and somehow that doesn't seem small, just right-sized for her. Ditto for the other, who is somewhat amazonian, and nearly as tall as I am.

Point is, just lift. Just eat right. Just sleep a lot. Don't worry so much about the destination, and learn to take pleasure in the sense of accomplishment you get from adding 3 pounds to the bar that you couldn't lift last week. The other day I took delivery of my fancy new trap bar, and discovered in the fine print that its rated load limit is less than my deadlift max by a fair amount. Oh, well. Guess I'll abuse it til it breaks.

Be disciplined, be consistent, be patient. Don't take foolish risks and hurt yourself so you can't train. Just do your program and let the progress stack up.

_teh_overloard · 2019-11-23T17:50:11+00:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krs83GDm800

the lord himself speaking on the topic.

AnneStaz · 2019-11-23T18:35:10+00:00

Dude after 6 months I was still learning decent form, how many reps/sets, what exercises, etc. Let alone figuring out what sort of fucking diet I should be on.

Wasn't until about 2 or 3 years in when I was really comfortable in the gym, motivated to go, good routine, decent diet, and started to see some really good results.

Just keep it up, it's a lifelong process you'll be chipping away at. I've been at it for about 6 years and the steroid shit does not seem worth the fuck up to my body

hoopingblob · 2019-11-23T16:52:57+00:00

6 months? 😂

Everybody who tells you they managed to achieve their top physique in 1 year is hiding the fact that they have trained before and went on a break.

You need AT LEAST 5 years if you're skinny. Some people can do it in 2 some only in 6. But if I was you I would expect 5 years of regular training.

ialreadyreadit333 · 2019-11-23T16:45:06+00:00

You can get massive, and it can take years... depends on your genetics, how hard you train, how well you rest, how well you eat... kany things.

Getting big naturally takes longer, but you absolutely can get there.

Is it worth it? That depends on how much you value the goal of being massive.

abomba24 · 2019-11-23T16:58:27+00:00

Great you've been at it 6 months, but will take much more time. As someone also 6'1" yes it's frustrating it takes longer for the gains to show, but still worth it and you're fucking 6'1" so you got that going for you over the little muscle hamsters

Protocol_Apollo · 2019-11-23T18:04:52+00:00

Big enough to:

Get laid Get stares on the street Look great on the beach

Steroids just help you get there faster and/or help you get to the next level (competing).

Using steroids for the latter makes the only sense.

ziadxk · 2019-11-23T18:30:18+00:00

First, Don't try these things since you don't know their long term effects. Second, the most important thing is lifting heavy weights and eating (eating is more important also). In addition, don't do cardio focus on lifting and gym exclusive things. You have to eat 5 meals a day and maximize the protein by eating eggs, chicken breast, fish..etc And sleep well because the change takes effect after a good sleep. You'll feel bored but it's totally worth it.

AncientDragons · 2019-11-23T19:25:11+00:00

No. You can’t get big enough to attract women without using steroids. No man at 6’1” has ever been able to acquire enough muscle mass to not be a “skinny fag.” It’s just not biologically possible.

2019-11-23T19:57:59+00:00

Yes it's fucking worth it. Jesus. The college athlete physique is good enough to pull plenty of tail. Anything beyond that is faggotry.

SeasonedRP · 2019-11-23T20:18:33+00:00

6 months? Check back in after 6 years. It is possible to get extremely muscular and strong without steroids. Some people on here think a 300 lb bench press can only be done with steroids, and these types use it as an excuse for their lack of progress.

If you are skinny and have the basics down, you should incorporate high rep squats in your training. They will help you gain size. Nearly all top bodybuilders have done high rep squats at some point in their careers.

2019-11-23T17:43:49+00:00

You need to learn more about the science around musculation, if you want a better body :

-note everything you do at each session, what exercises, how many sets you did, how heavy did you lift

-make a macro : plan your program on the long term, the mid term and the short term.

-adapt your program to your different goals

-watch your diet more closely

JSuma · 2019-11-23T17:56:49+00:00

Bruh 6 months is nothing, it takes at least 5 years to start considering about genetic limitations

muricanwerewolf1 · 2019-11-23T17:59:40+00:00

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bestsparkyalive · 2019-11-23T20:42:22+00:00

I fucking hate when guys ask about where the results are after a couple months. But at the same time I do understand it. The modern age of instant gratification leads us to expect this.

I am 5 foot 7 and a few years ago I weighed 230 pounds of pure fat, lazy fuck I was. Last summer I was at 170 pounds ripped in a size 28 jeans I was fuckin doing good.

When I started lifting I was miserable in there cause of how shitty I looked. I would lift and a few weeks then stop. This went on till I got consistent with the diet and the efforts.

At the end of year 1 you could barely tell I lifted but I simply felt much better with my new lifestyle. At the end of year 2 I could see the development in my body. Others would compliment how I looked now. I am currently in year 3, this is where I feel like I know enough to give advice to my friends, and I look serious once I get that pump on.

Don’t have the patience? Quit. Lifting is not something you do just for the fuck of it. It’s what you commit to because it’s part of you who are. And even if it’s not right now, you can make it happen.

My biggest piece of advice is find a routine that you can commit to daily, and as long as you can go to bed sane at the end of the night and repeat it tomorrow and the next day and on and on, you will succeed.

liquorbaron · 2019-11-23T21:07:31+00:00

But how far can one go in terms of looking big without steroids?

You can look rather ripped but you'll never be as big or ripped as someone that actually makes money off of their body so don't compare yourself to them. This includes top crossfit athletes, pro-athletes, pro-bodybuilders, fitness industry influencers on Youtube/Instagram/Twitter, paid actors, etc. These people will take PEDs because it can make them more money.

Your genetic potential would be realized with a few years of lifting heavy and eating right. After that it's very small diminishing returns when it comes to gains. Something like a max of 2lbs of lean muscle gained each year thereafter without PED use.

EDIT: Also good looking loser (website) I believe he documented what kind of success he had with women after he went on roids. If I recall correctly it helped to a certain point with his attracting women when he approached but that after a certain point of getting a bit bigger he wasn't attracting the same women or getting lesser results when he approached.

i-am-fish · 2019-11-23T21:54:32+00:00

Look 6 months of training and your want steroids... do what ever you want but this is like sking on the bunny slopes and then thinking you are ready for black diamonds.

you need focus on diet and exercising form. Form is more important than weight, for example if your curling 45lbs but your jerking your body back and forth your wasting your time, same thing with the row machine, wasting your time... your are better off calorie counting, eating right and training properly for the next 2 years. Add steroids to the mix and at your will at your experience level add alot of extra cost and even possibly health care cost as well.

conclusion, you dont need steroids unless you eventually want to make money lifting for a living. Novices are too green to think about steroids. The gym is a great place to learn the hard lesson of genetics, and genetic potential, focus on your self, and follow your routine. this is more effective than steroids.

Corpear · 2019-11-23T17:09:20+00:00

It depends on alot of factors first and most important thing is genetics.

Genetics are the most important thing if you have bad genes it can take much longer to gain muscle then other people. There are genetic freaks that can get big and stay lean in a few months and then you have the other side of the spectrum where they lift constantly for 2-3 years but still look like they haven't touched a weight in their life. The only way to find out is by lifting, and even if you have the worst genetics possible it's always better to go to the gym and look better then if you did nothing.
How consistent are you? consistency is really important if you are not consistent your gains will also not be consistent.
Diet: Are you eating enough calories? because if you don't you won't gain muscle it's simple as that. And are you also eating healthy? macronutrients are really important for gains and also feeling good. You can gain muscle on bullshit food but you will still look and feel like shit.
Sleep: if you want to gain as much muscle possible you need to sleep well. Muscle is build when you are resting. aiming for 7-9 hours will maximise results.
Training progam: This one doesn't really matter that much as long as you are hitting the gym and training consistently you will make gains. Doesn't matter if you are doing full body, bro splits, upper lower or whatever the fuck don't go to much into science because there are alot of bullshit studies or nonsese that just confuse people what to do. Just hit the fucking gym and train hard and push your limits. Each time you hit the gym you want to challenge yourself and do progressive overload so lift more weight or more reps or less rest etc.

If you follow these few steps you will gain muscle no doubt, it may take you 1 year 2 years or 4 years but trust me you will get big no matter what. And fuck off with ''is it worth it'' you want to rather stay at house and do nothing and not improve? better small gains then no gains.

And if you want to risk fucking up your hormones or body for the rest of your life go ahead and take roids. If you're asking is lifting worth it then you are defenitly not ready for roids trust me on that.

2019-11-23T17:03:46+00:00

What’s your routine? Throw up some progress pictures. And what’s your goal? Much too early to be thinking of juicing. You’ll build muscle pretty quick with the proper routine, without one with steroids you’ll not only lose any gains you made, but have a bunch of issues along with it.

kinglucky13 · 2019-11-23T18:21:54+00:00

https://www.fitnessunderoath.com/predicting-your-peak-how-to-determine-your-maximum-muscular-size/

Casanova-Quinn · 2019-11-23T18:38:08+00:00

I’ll say this, if you want to take steroids after 6 months of lifting, then steroids aren’t going to help you that much. Why? Because you haven’t established the knowledge and discipline yet to train and eat properly. Plenty of guys who take steroids look like crap because they never figured out the basics. Steroids can’t fix sub par training and diet.

You can get decently big as a natural, but it takes discipline and time.

Kongss · 2019-11-23T18:39:17+00:00

It also depends on your genetics. I´ve had people tell me im 100% on steroids but i believe i have my genetics to thank for that. Been lifting for a while, PM if you have any questions.

But basically, start counting calories, lift consistently every week and sleep. See where it gets you.

Dboy2233 · 2019-11-23T18:46:58+00:00

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Kabuki431 · 2019-11-23T19:02:17+00:00

How old are you ? Yes everyone plateaus

dirsa1122 · 2019-11-23T19:08:56+00:00

No need to train more than 2 years natural imo, after that time you have reached 90% of your genetic max. With decent training and diet, of course.

Warren_Bateman · 2019-11-23T19:36:27+00:00

Some of the variables accounting for max size are genetics, so your height alone isn’t enough to give you a true max. That being said, if you get to 200 at 14% bf, anything further will probably be diminishing returns.

Ma_Junior213 · 2019-11-23T19:52:33+00:00

I look pretty decent from lifting and muay thai, but somehow my testosterone levels are low. I also eat good, and intake vitamin d, zink, magnesium and other stuff, but still low t-levels. Been thinking of taking steroids to solve this problem. Any thoughts?

GayLubeOil · 2019-11-23T20:02:16+00:00

A Fat Free Muscle Index of 25 is usually the natural limit

uchihaitachi1237 · 2019-11-23T20:44:45+00:00

I was 70 kg 6'1 but very lean because of soccer. Broke my ankle joined the gym in 4 years was 90 kg. You don't need steroids and even if you took steroids unless you put in the work they will do jack shit except fuck your inner metabolism. Steroids isn't the way to go you can have a sexy physique without it easily. Plus if you stopped taking them you'll lose your hard earned gains but natural gains stay longer. I started the gym again after a year's break and only lost one third of my strength but my weight is the same. Dont ruin your life with steroids. Good luck

Rapp5601 · 2019-11-23T20:45:26+00:00

You'll never be too big without roid, at the same time the size you do get to will be very rewarding and you'll look better than 90% of guys.

Niocs · 2019-11-23T20:54:52+00:00

Take only steroids if you are completely aware of the risks and only if you are 100% ready to commit to the lifestyle.

They are a pretty good way for a shortcut but dangerous - especially the harder ones like trenbolone. Testosterone is what you should go with because risks are pretty low

ReaperX44 · 2019-11-23T21:14:52+00:00

Be patient and trust the process. If you're doing everything right you'll get there. The problem with people nowadays is that they're so used to instant gratification. You have to put in work day and day out, be consistent and have faith in yourself. 6 months ain't shit. Stay focused and lift heavy but don't ego lift. Stay off social media and stop looking at Instagram influencers. And most of all you have to have the mindset that you're doing this for you, not for other people. You can do this.

trpadvice1 · 2019-11-23T21:55:45+00:00

You're asking the wrong sub. There's safe ways of doing them. Bloodwork before after and during. it is also not expensive like people here say. People spend more money at GNC then what gear costs. Unless you're planning to run insane amounts like ronnie coleman. You wouldn't need that much. That being said your training age also has a lot to do with it. Have you been lifting for 5 months? GTFO. You don't need gear. 5 years of of proper training and nutrition? If you want to take it to the next level it is worth trying IMO

Edit: just re read your post. you've only been lifting six months. Don't even think about steroids yet.

GandMeChattri · 2019-11-23T22:20:35+00:00

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GAndGMethod · 2019-11-23T22:36:46+00:00

taking gear is the greatest decision i have ever made.

People freaking out about gear is like people freaking out about marijuana and reefer madness.

dont listen to the propaganda.

EvelynnSpoiler · 2019-11-23T22:44:04+00:00

Fuck steroids. One of my biggest regrets

furcryingoutloud · 2019-11-23T23:27:01+00:00

OP, you need to eat more. No, not more like an extra helping. More like you need to double your resting calories intake. If you're burning 2500 calories at rest, then you need 5000 calories a day to gain weight.

I'm not against steroids, at all, but if you don't eat more, even steroids aren't going to help. You need to double your caloric intake if you want to get anywhere. Triple it if you want massive gains. Steroids will be good once you increase your weight past 240 lbs at your height.

Get past the 240 lbs however you can. Eat dirty if you have to. JUST EAT. Eat until you want to puke. Then sit down until you can hold it in. But you have to eat, eat, eat. Try some creatine powders or weight gain powders. Lots of carbs. Do not do any cardio whatsoever until you reach your goal weight. Your goal weight should be at least 20 lbs over where you want to be. Thus the 240 lbs suggestion. You will lose 20 lbs once you begin to cut. You will look beastly at 220 lbs of muscle and a 10-15% body fat.

Dirty up your diet a bit. Pizza, Burger king, calories, calories. You need calories if you want to gain weight. You can go back to eating "healthy" once you're bulked up.

Once you have achieved all that your genetics can yield, then you can look into steroids if you're not happy with your results.

catsdontsmile · 2019-11-24T00:34:02+00:00

Honestly you don't want the steroid body type. Only chicks who are into that very specific type will like it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying don't lift, I'm just saying keep it natural. And yes, it's very noticeable. I get complimented a lot and I'm not even ripped.

IAmEnlightened · 2019-11-24T01:16:05+00:00

I’m 32. Currently on 4iu per day of HGH. Probably drop it to 2iu for longevity when I get older. I also blast and cruise on test e. I also use fairly heavy doses of tren, var and dbol on occasion. I’m lucky and have no hair loss.

It’s basically top 1% aesthetics on easy mode.

Edit: there are also ways of combatting the hair loss.

IcyBear7 · 2019-11-24T14:19:59+00:00

ill give some advice that goes against the grain. In trp terms, Im on the older side. In the end, do what benefits your life the most. If that means doing it the natural way, go for it. If that means taking a high test short cut, go for it. When you're dead it wont have mattered.

Life is ammoral. Your goals, results, and how you get there are all ammoral. Live your life that'll bring the highest quality and fulfillment. I know guys who've taken the "right" natty hard way and found happiness. I know guys who've taken roids and were just as happy. It doesnt matter either way.

Having said that, if you're gonna do it, follow from someone who's experienced, take your health, and your finances into account.

meatbuilder · 2019-11-25T19:48:08+00:00

You wouldn't believe how common is steroid abuse, even among the lifters at your local gym.

You aren't reaching your expectations compared to others because your expectations are warped by widespread steroid abuse.

If you are tall (6ft) you will look good and strong but nothing like what you see on TV, movies, instagram.

Haytch1234 · 2019-12-01T02:53:44+00:00

Not as big as you think.

After 4 years of natural training you are looking at maintaining instead of gaining.

1st year =2 pounds per month. It slows down per year afterwards.

dar2623 · 2019-11-23T19:46:23+00:00

Your only six months in. Newbie gains are a thing. Eat like it’s your job. After a year or so you can only expect to put on about 2 lbs of lean muscle a month at most. Biologically speaking anyway. Keep at it. No need for a cycle.

ghjklzxcv123 · 2019-11-23T17:06:14+00:00

http://nattyornot.com/how-big-can-you-get-naturally-without-steroids/

AlleyFrog96 · 2019-11-23T18:57:57+00:00

The easiest way is to eat simple sugars, aka rice

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