Why do some people hate Jordan B. Peterson?

TheRedPike · 2019-08-11T17:30:34+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/7v4afp/jordan_peterson_is_not_your_friend/

I think you got your answer.

Anacondainahonda · 2019-08-11T04:10:54+00:00

JBP is a gateway drug to TRP. Some TRP adherents think he is "blue-pill", which may or may not be true. I think JBP is great at introducing regular people, in a factual and inoffensive manner, to the general ideas and world view underpinning TRP.

maverick9759 · 2019-08-11T08:49:33+00:00

Because he believes in transactional sex. He somewhat inspires the masses to become beta bucks, " why will a woman want you ? Get your life together first, become useful. "

I find a lot of value in his mythological breakdowns. His ideas like 'attention transcends intellect' and 'in filth it will be found' are really thought provoking.

He's a fine guy. Just don't take dating advice from him.

Also his wife has bigger triceps than him.

INNASKILLZ2K18 · 2019-08-11T09:34:29+00:00

I haven't read a lot of his stuff. I skimmed through the book. In no way can I speak from some depth of knowledge on him.

Some of the stuff I like. Especially the stuff around life having suffering, and we can either withdraw or transcend it. Of course, that's taken largely from Buddhist philosophy so I can't credit it to Peterson.

The rest of the book is 'thin'. It's lightweight. There is nothing really groundbreaking about his 'rules'. Standing alone, they are very blue pill. They don't challenge anything big, or the 'matrix' and it's far from a groundbreaking piece of work.

If these were your 12 Rules For Life, I'd be hoping they're part of at least a hundred others, because it's watered down blue.

I actually get a bad taste in my mouth from this sort of work. As if someone has done some light reading, packaged the ideas up in their own words and passed it all off like some original work.

Rodent9 · 2019-08-11T03:05:42+00:00

People hate JBP because he speaks the truth, and some TRPs just desperately crave pussy instead of becoming a good man.

Otherwise they think his content is boilerplate and only novice reading, which to some extent it is, and they’re far too educated for the likes of him.

I honestly think he’s pretty good. He’s one of the men that men should be paying attention to, or at least to consider his ‘rules’.

ringchef · 2019-08-11T04:42:30+00:00

People hate him because his information is esoteric and doesn’t fit into their worldview so they reject him through cognitive bias.

Jungian masculinity and femininity is a very interesting topic.

Cods_gift_to_reddit · 2019-08-11T08:17:05+00:00

JBP is a therapist. What he does is therapy en masse which means his followers are usually struggling in some way.

That's why some people hate him - he's authentically helping disadvantaged people rather than putting on a self rightous act that many in the public sphere do.

That makes all the 'fake' empathetic people look bad because it becomes obvious that they are self motivated and not genuinely interested in the plight of disadvantaged people.

It can also make people jealous to see others rise.

dulkemaru51 · 2019-08-11T12:03:26+00:00

JBP sees a lot of man children roaming around suffering from dry dick and suicidal depression. What a man child craves is the comforting touch of mommy, that's what makes him a man child; he was never torn away from mommy and forced to fend for himself until he had to kill his inner mommy and become his own daddy... So JBP proclaimed his own role as speech person for these man children. The man children being man children ofc latched onto JBP's lead, beacause they're man children, and they'll follow whoever will speak for them, and whoever pretends to care.

TRP's harsh and humiliaing tone is the deliberate attempt to get man children to build thick skin, kill their inner mommies, and cease being Beta followers. JBP stands in the way of that goal... moreover, since (although not all) the men at TRP care about their man children and want them to become men, they have an additional bone to pick with JBP: JBP DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOU.

JBP has become rich from incel blood money, by selling them Blue Pills.

JBP declares that incels need to tidy their rooms, clean their dickheads, marry those sluts ... and most importantly ... they need to be basic bitch liberals, like himself. IOW, they need to never question, but always support, the very system, the inevitable conclusion of which, is this dark situation, from which only JBP can save them. So, it's superduper retarded.

...JBP is a deceiver. He promises the man children a happier future, as long as they don't reject the system that made them unhappy, and continue to operate within its rules. He's a slave owner, an agent of the matrix, designed (paid) to keep NPCs from choosing The Red Pill.

Anyone who can see this and is still able to get something from his material, won't feel the need to ask what's wrong with the guy. Anyone who feels hurt by this information needs to keep ripping out the mommy within them; becoming a man is an internal shift. Once you've done it, you'll see things through a new lens. Father figures won't feel like safe anchors anymore. The unicorn dream won't be appealing either, rather the thought of a mommy-gf will feel creepy. A Beta/manchild is afraid of the thought of being the sole author of his own life, the thought of being a god is terrifying to him, while it makes the Alpha's dick hard.

..... If JBP telling you what to do calms you and puts a smile on your face, you've got work to do. Once his orders seem like noise by an arbitrary set of pixels on a screen, you'll have your own permission to be proud of yourself.

kellykebab · 2019-08-11T03:12:07+00:00

He's said "unwoke" things about the transgender issue and has made criticisms about some female behavior (which, apparently, you're not supposed to ever do). And his defenses of religious allegory often veer oddly close to religious apologetics, which he confusingly keeps denying. So, intellectually, he can be kind of a mixed bag.

But really, honestly? The actual reasons people give a shit? It's because he talks like Kermit, has a skinny, gaunt face, and he often seems kinda angry in a butthurt "beta" fashion. Those are the actual reasons. He could say almost anything at all, but because of those appearance and behavioral factors, at least some people will always have a problem with him. That's how people operate.

You don't have to do these complicated analyses of his philosophy to understand his controversy. You just have to look at basic human behavior and attraction and apply the simplest RP ideas: people respond to physical and behavioral markers of confidence and status. And Peterson is lacking in these areas.

Meanwhile, Christopher Hitchens (while also controversial) was never subject to the same kind of smug contempt that Peterson has been because Hitchens carried himself with ease, charisma and confidence and came across as witty and natural. He didn't rant and rail or scold and he didn't talk like Kermit. He sounded "cool" and that's what people like. Doesn't matter that he actually used a lot of sophistry, double talk, and appeals to emotion. The important part is that he looked and sounded like a man comfortable in his own skin. Peterson often does not.

That's all that matters to most people.

treetrunkbranchstem · 2019-08-11T10:35:22+00:00

He’s blue pill. Plus look at the guy.

andyturbo2000 · 2019-08-11T08:08:42+00:00

Much of what Peterson says aligns Elbert well with RP. It’s a diet version which I think people on here is a bit low level.

Ryabemo · 2019-08-11T07:59:25+00:00

Imo I think he’s very misunderstood by most people, he’s not a politician or spokesman of any sort but he he’s a psychologist and a philosopher or priest. So I take his opinions as such. He talks about Carl Jung even in these political debates, that should tell you something. It’s just that he’ll get misunderstood because people don’t want to think at all.

FieldLine · 2019-08-11T15:38:37+00:00

I don't think much about him at all.

vicious_armbar · 2019-08-11T07:22:00+00:00

Via The Black Dragon blog:

Over the last several months, I’ve been bombarded with emails from many of you getting very excited about the new kid on the right-wing block, Jordan Peterson. Peterson has officially replaced Milo Yiannopoulos as the darling of the anti-SJW right since Milo’s fall from grace last year.

As always, since I’m not on the right or the left, and since I view the world through an objective lens rather than a political one, I view Jordan Peterson very differently than the right-wingers who think he’s the greatest thing ever and the left-wingers who despise him. However, before I can explain my position regarding him, I need to clear up a few misconceptions about the right-wing movement which most people either don’t understand, or understand but often forget.

The modern-day right-wing are actually three very different groups:

A.) The anti-SJW’s

B.) The standard right-wing

C.) The traditional conservatives, or “tradcons”

Most people, right and left both, tend to view these three groups as one big ball. In fact, these three groups are very, very different.

The traditional conservatives, or tradcons are the zealots of the right wing. They are focused more on social issues than economic or political ones, and are fundamentally passionate about them, often to insane degrees. Their life advice is always the same:

Shut up, calm down, and “grow up.” Stop having all this sex and having fun and stuff. That’s immoral, childish, and/or nihilistic.
Be a Christian, and give yourself to God. It doesn’t fucking matter that the Bible doesn’t make any sense. It’s what’s best for society, so shut up.
Get legally, monogamously married (because that’s what a “real man does”), and if you’re white, marry someone else white (to “save the white race”). It doesn’t matter what the divorce rate is. Just shut the fuck up and get married because that’s what society needs.
Have lots and lots of kids because kids are the meaning of life, you have an obligation to your race, and you need kids and grand kids to take care of you and entertain you when you’re old (which is no longer true these days, but that’s what they believe).
Vote for Republicans (or other right-wingish parties) religiously, because they’re the only ones who can Save Us™. (Never mind the fact that Republican politicians like George W. Bush are the direct cause of the collapse of the USA, but that’s a discussion for another time, and a different blog.)

Tradcons mean well. They really do. Some of the men I’m close to in my personal life are tradcons, and I love and respect them. The problem is that their advice is calibrated for a man living in circa 1952 at the zenith of Western power, not a man living in the 21st Century in a crumbling society like Collapsing USA, Suicidal Europe, or Cuckoo Canada. Taking the above advice in 1952 was a pretty good idea. Taking that advice today means you’ll probably destroy your future.

That brings us back to Jordan Peterson. I like Peterson and have enjoyed many of his videos like many of you have. His points about the neo-Marxists and postmodernists are all accurate. His anti-SJW points and arguments are sound, and I agree with them all.

So far, so good.

Just one problem. He’s a closet tradcon.

Oh, don’t get me wrong. He’s a very smart tradcon. Unlike most tradcons (including many who post on my blogs from time to time) he doesn’t walk around screaming his head off about how you need to have kids for the good of society or how you need to give your life to Jesus. No, instead he makes lots of very rational, objective, sound arguments, and then every once in a while, his tradcon-ness slips out. A quick comment about how happiness isn’t important, a brief statement about how kids are the meaning of life, a quick side-comment about how porn is bad, and so on.

Now, if YOU are a tradcon, then by all means, go for it! Drink up Jordan Peterson as much as you want. He’s your guy.

But, if you’re an objective thinker like I am, you need to be a little careful. Be very aware that in the midst of Peterson’s sound, anti-socialist, anti-SJW arguments (all of which I agree with!) he laces them with a bunch of outdated tradcon bullshit. If all you do is absorb 100% of his content, you’ll miss it, but your subconscious mind will internalize it. If you take action on it later in life, you’re going to suffer the usual consequences of beta males and Alpha Male 1.0’s as they do things like: go to college to get a degree in a stupid field (like psychology), get traditionally married, crank out kids, go into debt, and stupidly hope that politics will solve all of their problems. You’ll end up in divorce court, spending thousands of dollars you don’t have trying to get visitation of your kids while being unable to ever retire.

But, if you keep your eyes and ears open while you listen to him or read his stuff, you’ll be aware of the tradcon stuff he occasionally throws in there, and then you’ll be fine.

Tradcons reading this are going to interpret this article as a hit piece on Jordan Peterson. It is not. For the third time, I really like the guy and watch his videos all the time on YouTube. I will probably get around to reading his book someday too. He’s great. I’m just warning you to be aware of his very subtle and very clever placing of tradcon programming in his content. If that’s not the kind of life you want (it certainly isn’t what I want), you need to be careful, and keep your ears open.

jug3r77 · 2019-08-11T02:57:20+00:00

if you take anything away from any book there is no way you should be consider an asshole or feel like your missing anything.

beefthathasredmiddle · 2019-08-11T07:10:31+00:00

You aren’t missing anything. If you find is outlook to be positive then who cares what others think.

TheFlyingPro · 2019-08-11T09:10:31+00:00

He has some blue pill traits, for example there is a video-lecture in which he condemns PUAs basically saying they are even psychopaths.

But, in general, I agree that there is some unjustified hate for him in trp community, and 12 Rules is a pretty good book

leftajar · 2019-08-11T16:11:16+00:00

Hate is a strong word that I wouldn't use.

However, Peterson is counterproductive if your goal is saving the West.

The reason is, he pushes individualism in a time of collectivisation.

The stuff about "clean your room," "stand up straight with your shoulders back," "treat yourself like someone you're responsible for helping," those are good -- basic, immutable, how-to-live-better stuff.

That's the sugar coating on his individualism shit-pill. He seems like he's on the Right, because he talks out against the excesses of the Left, but the philosophy he's selling will actually kill the Right.

This meme sums it up.

I can go into more detail if anyone cares.

endurered · 2019-08-11T12:37:19+00:00

If you think he is a good representation of masculinity and a gateway to red pill you are out of your mind. His wife has cheated on him and takes bikini photos routinely on her instagram.

RPDream · 2019-08-11T08:26:25+00:00

He is hated by the matrix. He is hated by feminists and blue pill community because he exposed their failure. That’s it. Within the redpill community, however, he should be considered a godfather!

TBtgoat · 2019-08-11T10:33:17+00:00

I'm very shocked by the amount of responses I received. If I had to write a paper about the polarizing JBP this is all I'd need lol.

caddydz · 2019-08-11T11:20:55+00:00

It's not self help when it's a book written by somebody else, it's help

theislander849 · 2019-08-11T12:58:24+00:00

Because the truth is dangerous in a world of lies.

Jabbatheslut6666 · 2019-08-11T14:13:03+00:00

Idk I like some of his stiff but the whole you need to be socially accepted stuff is bs imo

A_Wizard1717 · 2019-08-11T14:47:44+00:00

Some of his political ideas aren't solid truths but his university lectures are excellent

PIGamer86 · 2019-08-11T15:00:08+00:00

He’s not a womanizer.

canis_lupus_arctos · 2019-08-11T16:12:40+00:00

He regularly kicks people in their ideological balls, so that's one thing. Personally I dislike his tendency to talk about things he has no expertise in while failing to mark his views as such.

EdgyMcdonuts · 2019-08-11T16:20:30+00:00

Such a simple answer. They hate him because he’s a credible intellectual who disagrees with leftist ideas.

DevilMayCry · 2019-08-11T06:56:20+00:00

I didn’t like his book because he takes entire chapters to explain concepts that can be simplified to one or two sentences.

huntersam13 · 2019-08-11T13:03:37+00:00

The atheist community hates him because he teaches some valuable lessons can be learned from old archetypal mythological stories.

Granite_Pill · 2019-08-11T10:38:58+00:00

He refuses to answer the the JQ.

[deleted] · 2019-08-11T03:38:59+00:00

He's a self-righteous hypocrite that doesn't follow his own rules.

WaltDFaulkens · 2019-08-11T09:10:02+00:00

Because he’s not confirming the lies they tell themselves.

[deleted] · 2019-08-11T14:29:59+00:00

Idk why they hate him. He is a symbol of high principles and therefore people look up to him. I suppose if you don’t look up to those high principles then you don’t look up to him. Or maybe just don’t see that he represents them.

piratelostboi · 2019-08-11T16:15:12+00:00

He preys on 'weak' people who he also openly hates.

FaP_caesar · 2019-08-11T14:33:08+00:00

Because haterz always hate successful men.

Look at Donald Trump. He makin america great again. And look how many is hatin on him.

WahmynsLoveGlobohomo · 2019-08-11T15:38:37+00:00

You have two kinds of people that dislike him, those on the far-left and those in the very very far right.

The far left hates him because he doesn't go along with their neo-marxist / postmodernist bullcrap.

The very very far right dislike him because he always avoids giving criticism about (((a certain group of people))) when asked in Q.A. sessions. Some of those on the very very far right accuse him of controlled opposition.

44361066 · 2019-08-11T08:47:01+00:00

Here’s why I hate him https://youtu.be/WXYuqrO8LLo

calcul8rallig8r · 2019-08-11T06:48:05+00:00

Anyone who has an opinion on geopolitics is a social justic warrior, and therefore by definition is retarded

Title	Why do some people hate Jordan B. Peterson?
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