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[–]montanalombardy 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
I checked out your post history.
Bro you look fine. Could you be a model? No. But you look normal. I've seen guys much worse looking than you be good with women.
Your problem is you are obsessed with this shit. You are subbed to god knows how many face proportion subreddits. You are insecure as fuck, you are unconfident, you have terrible self esteem. You perceieve yourself as low value and trying to learn why, you came across this face proportion kind of subculture that tells you you are ugly. All the problem is in your head.
[–]Alecz007 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
That's the thing. Can plastic surgery get me model looks?
[–]revente 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No. Just start working out. You're just plain and skinny fat.
[–]montanalombardy 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No man, work on being fine with yourself.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You could try getting jaw implants which would make your side profile more prominent and better looking.
Although you also need to get rid of a lot of face fat
[–]Alecz007 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
So my chin, mandible and maxilla are a bit recessed?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A little, your jaw isn't too visible
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Bro you look fine.
Fine = less than average
[–]Alecz007 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
How can I raise my SMV? Surgery?
Losing Body fat, increasing lean muscle mass, facial touch ups (micro needling, botox, etc), and if possible face surgery
Liposuction on the double chin and on the cheeks, hair transplant or minoxidil, beard transplant or minoxidil, surgery to get rid of glasses, canthoplasty for the negative canthal tilt some sort of upper lip augmentation(my lips especially my upper lip suck), lateral commisuroplasty since my mouthis small(mouth enlargement surgery which only dr. Eppley does and at the moment he does it only in combination with something else), surgery for my low hyoid bone, surgery for my slightly recessed chin, mandible and maxilla, surgery for my large forehead and I also think that the sides of my head are a bit bulky.
You already seem to know what you're doing then
[–]Liberaler 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Body dysmorphia is a psychological condition, not a physical one. You can suffer from it, no matter how you look. Solution: Make the best out of what you have and put the focus somewhere else, away from your looks. In hard cases - therapy.
Don't be so hard on yourself:
negative canthal tilt
it can give you that melancholic look, that some women like and help you to emotionally connect to them.
astigmatism
Have you tried contact lenses? You have different style options with glasses. I'm sure you haven't exploited them all.
I hate my small mouth(I have a weird smile)
The way your mouth looks depends to a large degree on your facial expressions, which are influenced by the way you feel and your personality
thin lips
nothing wrong with thin lips, especially on a guy
my oblong face shape
not necessarily a bad trait. It makes you look intelligent and sensitive
my double chin
you can lose weight
my big forehead, my recessed hairline and my patchy beard
you can experiment with different hair and beard styles or shave it off altogether if it suits you
Only option is surgery
No, your best chance is to get rid of this psychological condition, you have and optimise your style and fitness. Don't reduce yourself to your looks. Good looks help in life, yes, but your personality, style and social skills are more important. Learn to be okay with yourself! There are attractive women out there, who you would have a chance with, if you work on yourself. Find and get them. Whether someone else has it easier is not of relevance.
I feel like the world's most ugly man.
You might feel that way, but that's objectively not true and you know it. A man has to be able to control his emotions. Again, learn to accept yourself, that's the key and put your focus away from your looks.
Good luck!
[–]CaptainSaveBPD 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yea unfortunately that's life
1/3 of men are sexless/virgins within the last year
40% of men don't reproduce.
Women prefer the top 10-15% of men
it is what it is my friend.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You're the only guy with common sense here it seems
[–]DontCallMeTopher 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You look pretty normal to me, someone I’d pass in a crowd with looking twice (as opposed to being like whoa that guy is fucking ugly)
I saw a post on Twitter where a guy quit porn, quit jacking off, only ate whole foods and learned boxing. He posted pictures of his face before and then 4-5 after adopting these habits and the changes to his face were subtle yet also staggering. Look up soldier face change, these guys who went through basic training in Europe turned from doughy faced recruits to hard jawed beasts. You gotta make some changes man and it sounds like you need to start with you mind. Asking strangers on the internet to rate and asking for celebs to be rated is probably not helping you internally
[–]firee98 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Mew and lower your bodyfat youll be fine.
[–]Alecz007 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm 32. I think I'm too late for mewing.
[–]firee98 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The tongue posture itself does already wonders if you have a low body fat percentage. Stop being a little p*ssy at 32 and make the moves. You arent a teenger to be insecure like that.
[–]NikeTracksuit 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Your hairline is not receding and your canthal tilt is not so negative that affects you in a bad way. You are a little bit overweight tho, lose some weight, then i would grow your beard out to make your jaw look a little bit bigger, especially since your ramus is short. That would bring you up around a point imo.
[–]Alecz007 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
What's a ramus?
[–]NikeTracksuit 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
It's part of the mandible
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Mandbular_fractures.png
[–]Alecz007 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Isn't there surgery for this issue?
[–]NikeTracksuit 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I think so, but very expensive and painful. In your case I think you would have to wear braces first and then get the surgery, but I'm not an expert so idk.
[–]Alecz007 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
This is me with a bit of weight loss and a stubble: https://imgur.com/a/xXNWylE
[–]NikeTracksuit 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Looks like Zelensky
[–]Alecz007 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Bad, good?
[–]NikeTracksuit 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Average
[–]Alecz007 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Fuck...
[–]NikeTracksuit1 point 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Sorry you tought you were above average in looks? No way
[–]AffectMany64 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Before you consider surgery, first workout and lower your body fat percentage. That’ll show you your true facial potential. On top of that, you can try jaw exercises (but be careful of developing tmj) for your jawline. Your chin will look better as you lower your body fat percentage, and make sure you keep on the top of your mouth for the most optimal face shape
[–]Alecz007 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I posted new photos of me(lost weight, stubble and shorter haircut since I'm balding)on photofeeler and photoeval. I got only low scores.
[–]Illustrious_Grade554 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Bro, as a guy who's had body dysmorphia in the same way, you look great. Trust me, I noticed all the dumb shit like my mouth being crooked (I have TMJ disorder), my slightly recessed jawline, my smile being weird, etc. I'd look at the mirror, see a selfie and complain that my flipped image looks terrible, keep trying different angles to justify that I'm not ugly, etc. I'd feel alright some days, then the next week suddenly I'd want to cry looking in the mirror. I ranged from a 4-5/10 on /r/Rateme, and that's people being nice.
It's just a warped perception of how people look at you. People look at your face as a whole, and you look friendly and somewhat masculine. You've got decent facial structure, like the whole forward brow thing white guys have.
"True rate me" is an overcorrection of r/rateme. It's not realistic. I've seen seriously model looking dudes been told "eh, 5/10." It's just filled with ideological incels and women whose sense of purpose comes from giving handsome people a lower score.
Do not get any sort of surgery. You can achieve a pretty damn good body by just getting a lower body fat percentage. Your face will look way better too, and it doesn't look bad at all right now.
If you up your confidence by doing things like hitting the gym, you will absolutely do great with women. They're not as scary as you might think.
At least you got a 4.5. I got a 4.
[–]Illustrious_Grade554 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There's not really a difference bro, below average is below average. And you're not actually a 4/10. In person, it really doesn't matter as much. There are plenty of girls who would give you a chance, assuming you act your genuine self and are somewhat interesting.
[–]RedditsOlderBrah -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
a touch below average? still better looking than like 4/10 dudes? yeah dude, that sucks. i don't think there's anything i can do to help you though. you know what a negative canthal tilt is and you submitted yourself to weird subreddit so you know what you were doing. you're just looking to hurt yourself. i could probably give you some hints when you're finished beating yourself up and crying and looking to maybe get on with the rest of your cosmic miracle of an existence.
I will never be confident enough to approach the women that I want until I'm at least a 7.
[–]RedditsOlderBrah -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
ok. i assume you're a grown man. do what you want. personally i'd pay more attention to the 99.9% of life that doesn't involve sex but like i say you're the boss.
[–]revente 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Dude, I don't think you clueless how r/truerateme's scale work.
7/10 there means like top 0.1-5%.
More than most Hollywood actors.
More like the top 10%
I'd say he is around a 3 or 4
[–]staggerlee718 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You look like Rick H. who was legendary in the early pua circles as a guy who had a five some with a bunch of strippers. But yeah, it's definitely your looks.
So I'm unattractive. I knew it... Time for the rope. Or make enough money until I look like Jon-Erik Hexum.
[–]RedditsOlderBrah -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
hey dude, you're not having a good time, that's shit, but i'll ask that you take this sort of talk away from other people on reddit and call a crisis number in your country. here's a list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suicide_crisis_lines
you can't help your appearance, but you can help being a dickhead.
[–]Rastaman143 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
True rate me scale is 1-5 so it’s 4/5 not 10. Like others said you can only help yourself you’re fat you need to lose weight stop moaning and complaining get that ass to the gym
[–]Alecz007 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Truerateme scale is 1-10. You're delusional.
[–]revente 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You don't understand how it works tho.
[–]Alecz007 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
How does it work?
[–]revente 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's a different distribution than your typical 1-10.
The most good-looking people are 6.
The 1-3 best-looking people in your high school were 7s.
The most beautiful person you've ever met in real life is like 7,5-8.
Seeing your pictures you could become a strong 6-6,5 if you lookmaxed.
Thanks for the encouragement. This is me right now: https://imgur.com/a/xXNWylE
[–]Contango6969 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nobody gives a fuck if a man is ugly if he’s the shit.
[–]Saint_Anhedonia77 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
First off, that truerateme sub seems more about facial symmetry and how close a persons face is to "perfection" - don't go there trying to find out how "attractive" your face is. There is noting "wrong" with your face, so please cut this shit out. Asymmetry and flaws are very attractive. OWN your flaws. You have one problem > You have low self esteem. You need to slowly build yourself up. It will take time. Go to Youtube - lookup mindful/guided meditation and positive affirmations > I personally recommend The Linda Hall Meditation channel. Buy a 35lb Kettlebell ( Lifeline on Amazon are great bells ) - plenty of good kettlebell instruction on youtube ( like Mark Wildman ) Double chin? - Get into a habit of eating better ( Dr Berg youtube ) God I love youtube Take care of and love yourself and you will see that everything will starting working out for you.
[–]Sure-Wish3240 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Most of your advice is golden. But i do not believe people can overcome low self steem without understanding How they become what they are and forgiving themselfs.
[–]zapadz 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7HIyQaJN9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmiNoCV-i84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbxinUJcLGg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLsUnv50Hq4
[–]garrett786 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Microdose psychedelics and start a meditation routine. I like Sam Harris' app. You will come to love yourself. You need to put in the work. If you can't appreciate life, women can't appreciate you.
[–]-Mavs 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Disconnect from your current “reality”.
I remember my mom saying some famous celebrity sisters were beautiful and I didn’t find them attractive at all so it stuck with me that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Furthermore, we all probably have race preferences making beauty definitely subjective.
[–]alent3976 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
bro you’re an average looking guy, you’re blowing it out of proportion. grow out your beard, get a good barber that can give you a good haircut and line up your beard. get your eyebrows done regularly too (nothing too fancy just a clean up with a nice shape). Get to 10-15% body fat and drink lots of water come back after you’ve done all these things and tell us how you feel about yourself.
[–]Alecz007 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
You've nailed it. I hate that I'm average. I'm balding so I don't have a lot of options in terms of hairstyles and my beard isn't full enough to get a line up.
[–]alent3976 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
a line up will give the illusion of having a much fuller beard. let your beard grow for a while so you give your barber as much to work with as possible. also how tall are you?
I'm 1.79 cm tall.
[–]alent3976 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
use that to your advantage
There are guys who are taller then me. 3 of my friends who are killing it with the ladies are taller. One of them is very handsome.
[–]alent3976 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
ok and there are people shorter than you that have lots of success with ladies. look like you too
[–]revente 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dude I've seen your pictures. Instead of panicking and shit, just start working out hard.
You're perfectly average, but you'll look much much better if you get ripped.
There's nothing bad with how you look. You're just plain.
[–]Granny_Killa 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You look fine bro.
If you're worried about internet rating scores as a measure of your self worth then you're fucked because of this toxic mindset.
Women don't rate men the same way we do. They see most guys as average/ugly, and a few as 'hot'. So their rating system is pretty much going to be really low numbers or 10/10, nothing in between. Whereas guys can see a wider spectrum and we could look at a range of pictures and find a girl we'd rate each number. Also, women aim upwards too. So a 7/10 girl sees a 7/10 guy, her 'equal', but she sees him as a 4/10 because she thinks a 10/10 is her level. And online dating reinforces that. She matches with some saudi prince on a yacht who would fuck her and never speak to her again - so that's her level now even though that guy just wanted sex and wouldn't want to speak to her again. Just the way it is.
Talk to girls in real life if you aren't having success online, because ultimately looks matter so much less in real life.
Oh and finally stop rating people based on numbers, I've only done it to explain this to you.
[–]Keezymac34 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
GET off the internet and go meet some people. Your online toooooo much. Women arnt that picky in real life.
[–]Sup3rHD 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Bro... You are good looking, you have to lose body fat thats it... You forehead is not big and ur lips are normal.
Go to the gym and enjoy life :)
Thanks man.
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