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[–]CompetitionFair7686 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
“Does it really work” sounds like you are thinking of seduction as tricks. Tricks don’t work. But seduction isn’t about tricks or pick up lines, it’s about making the girl feel intense positive emotions. You do that with social skills and a confident behaviour. If the girls can feel strong emotions with you then you can escalate things sexually and romantically
[–]Therocksays2020 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It gives you tools. Some people will use them bette than others. Confidence grooming and game have made a lot of difference for me personally
[–]earsurgery9 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
it 'works' but it's not what you think it is. You can't use 'game' to make a girl sexually attracted to you. That's marketing nonsense. Of course. There's no magic verbals or techniques you can use if you're not her type. You can't negotiate attraction
But having 'game' will mean you convert a much higher percentage of girls who are into you, into sex, than someone who has no 'game'.
[–]Santiagopls 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What worked for me was to stop reading and start doing.
[–]ReadyTelephone2395 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
It doesnt work.
You cant negotiate attraction. You just need good social skills if she's into you.
When she's into you, just dont mess it up.
If she's not into (your not her type) no amount of game will make her attracted to you.
[–]rudebwoy100 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
Nonsense. If she views your looks neutral you can build attraction with game/personality. You don't need to be exactly her ideal type.
It's like if us guys, we may prefer a 8/10 or higher but if we found a 6/10 on our looks scale who we connected with we would be happy dating her and women are no different.
[–]ReadyTelephone2395 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Let's say this girl is very attractive.
Why would she settle for a guy she feel neutral on in terms of looks?
When she can get a very good looking guy with equally a good vibe and personality?
[–]rudebwoy100 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Because girls are emotional, don't care that much about looks and if a guy makes her feel good in the moment she will fall in love.
[–]ReadyTelephone2395 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
You rly think girls dont care about looks?
Then why do normal/avg guys never get matches but good looking guys do? lol
Yes girls are emotional but only for an attractive guy.
If a short balding old guy approached her, she is going to reject him before he opens his mouth.
[–]CloutComputing 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I gotta pushback on this one. Of course on the apps, the deck is stacked against average looking guys. But IRL, you at least have the ability to talk to girls who would never even see you on the app.
A good friend of mine is not conventionally attractive at all, and he has even said as much himself. Yet his girlfriend is pretty good looking in my opinion. He would have never even matched with her on an app, I can guarantee you that.
[–]rudebwoy100 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
On dating apps they care about looks because that's all they see. On instagram they can see your looks + lifestyle and now your lifestyle plays a bigger role. In person your personality/game/social skills matters the most and why so many unattractive guys are able to attract good looking women.
[–]ReadyTelephone2395 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
What if the short balding old guy approached in person?
Yaaaa
[–]Intelligent-Dingo-64 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The short balding guy got a chance from my experience
[–]rudebwoy100 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If Joe Rogan didn't have $ and fame he still would attract women due to his personality, you can disagree with me all you want but game/social skills matter the most.
[–]OneHotChicken 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bro. people like people. Sometimes things just happen. Like a girl? Don’t make excuses, go for her what ever way makes you feel like a man, or a romantic or deviant. be respectful, live and be willing to admit mistakes. Cross the line and be understanding if you’re pushed back. Women don’t care if you over step your “place” as long as you’re able to bounce back and show that your personality does not hinge on their opinion of you😎
[–]coachmelloweyes 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You’re right… but how many good looking guys have good personalities? You see, seduction/game is effort, and most men won’t use it unless they have to.
But again, if a good looking guy with a great personality comes along… an average guy has zero chance. Which is how it should be.
[–]ReadyTelephone2395 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Most good looking guys are more confident due to positive feedback and reinforcement.
[–]coachmelloweyes 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You’re right… but game is deeper than just confidence. Having a good personality with a deeper than being confident.
[–]VitaliRayne-2 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Attraction for women is different than men, be it due to biology or sociology.
My experience is that for women over the age of 15, attraction doesn't come down to a single scale out of 10. You'll get more genuine attention as a 9/10 in one area and a 5/10 in everything else than a 7/10 in everything. One you get attention, don't be unattractive, match energy, and physical intimacy will soon follow.
[–]earsurgery9 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
exactly.
If she's into you, you still need to escalate (unless she does it first) and move the interaction from friends to sex. (game). Although the bar is pretty damn low in that regard tbh . Just don't be a complete oddball
And if you're just not her type / she isn't attracted to you / doesn't think you're handsome to her tastes, then of course at that point you won't get off the starting blocks with that particular girl. You can demonstrate 'confidence' and use pushpull lines and pre-selection and all the rest that everyone knows about, but you'll just be delaying the inevitable
That's why the more experienced guys gravitate towards heavy screening instead of 'conversion' (which isn't really possible)
In other words, approach lots of girls and find out fast whether she's into you or not. If so, escalate. If she's clearly not attracted, move on fast to the next girl. It's a numbers game. And after a while you can tell if it's a 'yes' or a 'no' before you've even finished your opener.
[–]Optymistyk -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I second that
[–]dheidjdedidbe 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What are your options if no girls are into you and you can’t make girls like you?
[–]ReadyTelephone2395 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well that's the hand your dealt
I believe it works but too much will regress your results.
You need to use it to find what actually suits you and double down on that.
Discard the things that don’t gel with your natural personality. And remove the parts of your personality that are antiseductive.
[–]burncushlikewood 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh yeah absolutely, I was the typical rags to riches story, virgin in high school, never kissed a girl. Turned it around big time, people used to make fun of me for getting friendzoned. This seduction stuff is legit, I've studied many puas and figured out what to do. Lost my virginity when I was 16, banged a few girls. I studied mystery method, read vin DiCarlo books and watched Richard la Ruina's YouTube videos. I've done over a 100 approaches in the night club setting. This stuff works man trust, you just have to put in the time
[–]Zealousideal6669 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It definitely works but what is pickup anyway. Conveying Ideal man qualities. So kind of fake it till you make it. After those traits are become a part of you you don't really have to think about what you're doing anymore
[–]CocoBabeNYC 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think it got worse actually.
[–]Southofsouth -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, chasing and being a good guy is sooooo counterintuitive. In appearance is the right thing to do, but the reality is that it hurts your chances a lot.
[–]goodguygonebad6789 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As an introvert myself, it has helped massively. I can talk to the hottest girl anywhere without flinching. I can flirt like a man without being ashamed of it. I am a very structured guy myself, so it has given me the tools (triangular gazing, question game etc.) to approach dating and succeed at it exponentially increasing my chances than what I would had without learning seduction. It's also made me a realist and pragmatist, based on experiences of other men and my own lived experiences, meaning I know what actually works (knowing what you want and going after it like a man) versus what I think works (trying to befriend women to...I'll let you fill the sentence).
[–]ParticularAmazing112 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The biggest thing I needed was inner game which I learned from seduction. I use seduction tricks even when I don’t need to seduce(ex: marketing, etc).
Seduction is essentially just having the right social skills and knowing how to use them. A good book I always recommend is How To Make Friends and Influence People. Yes I know, you don’t want to end up in the friend zone. But if you know how to use the things in that book, you can leave a lasting impact on someone just by the first few minutes of getting to know them.
So to answer your question, yes seduction works but seduction isn’t simply about getting someone in bed. If that’s all you view it as, it might not work for the most part.
[–]ksmith11011 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I wouldn’t say there’s an after. You’re always learning through trial and error. But the simple answer is yes, you’ll see more opportunities, you’ll make fewer mistakes, you’ll learn the markets you’re most successful in. It does add up.
Although in my experience I always feel like I have so much further to go. I rarely think of myself as being successful with women, even when I land a really cute girlfriend I’m just thinking it’s a fluke every time.
[–]alzirian314 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Learning how to read cues and body language will help u in every interaction u have. So it helps a lot. Knowing when to pull back on what ur saying how to lighten a mood and how effectively to talk to different types of people is some of the most valuable information u can have.
[–]marshall_strud 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
0-100. My life changed in every way possible
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