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[–]Renshato 483 points484 points485 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
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[–][deleted] 97 points98 points99 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I swear, if I see this analogy one more time, we're gonna celebrate.
[–]hardkid52 40 points41 points42 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well put.
[–]ComfortableTouch7832 66 points67 points68 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I pretty much gave up on internet dating. I'd rather show initiative or get flirted with in person 😂🤗 cuts down on so much confusion
[–]donaldtrumpsmistress 114 points115 points116 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
tbf i feel like no one is having a good time dating. We've let a for-profit online dating monopoly (the Match Group, which owns Match, Tinder, POF, Hinge, OkCupid, blackpeoplemeet, I think even the fucking farmers only site) be the arbiter of our dating lives, and their financial interest isnt in helping people connect and partner up, its in keeping you addicted to the apps and the little dopamine hit you get when you get a new match in a seemingly endless sea. It just makes the whole process boring and mundane for everyone involved, and every conversation merges together into a blob.
The solution is to make dating fun and exciting again by normalizing just talking to and hitting on people IRL that you're interested in. Either gender can do it. If you're attracted to someone go say hi, get to know em, and ask em out, and let yourself feel nervous and excited by it. WAY better than letting one company decide who talks to who.
[–]miseraa 114 points115 points116 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This has a lot of merit, there have been countless dates where all I had to do was show up on time, compliment her, make an effort to ask about her, show some interest in her, and just ultimately show some level of confidence and that easily endeared me to her
[–]Chinksta 51 points52 points53 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
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[–]AmmoTuff182 45 points46 points47 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yep. Did everything mentioned above and then they ghost me. Like cool thanks for being considerate of my time and resources
[–]skatinislife446 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I can attest to this too. All I did was looksmax and learn to have a conversation with some flirting and everything fell into place.
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[–]hniles910 97 points98 points99 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It's funny to read this cause honestly most guys do this and then the other party rejects them in hope of finding someone better. This is just so hilarious cause they complain they can't find a good guy and then they find a good guy and they say that he is not their type. not to just mention that but also that they will never tell you what is wrong with you or what is their problem with your behaviour and would just rather ghost people cause they don't want to hurt their feelings.
I understand in the past you have been betrayed or treated for granted but that's why you set boundaries with people, I guess common sense is really a rarity these days.
[–]JearBear_3 -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I see what your coming from, I believe some guys can’t grow a pair or be confident enough to stand up to a girl let alone one they find attractive. Delayed gratification or acting like you don’t want the girl when you do works wonders but other way, it’s good to state your intentions with a girl and learn some basic social / conversational skills
[–]SnooMacarons6242 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Honestly I’d do that if they ever replied or even bothered to show up lol
[–]fuckouttahea 35 points36 points37 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because every girl thinks they can get better and it’s on to the next. Then they get disappointed.
[–]LandscapeClear1630 52 points53 points54 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
You know how girls can improve their dating situation?
By actually making and effort to go out and approach guys.
Edit: Let's be a bit realistic. Saying "it's the guy's job to do the first move" is the reason women aren't having a good time dating.
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Let's be a bit realistic. It's always 100% the guy's job to do that.
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[–]FlanneryODostoevsky 35 points36 points37 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That’s partly true. But you don’t get the current dating game where assholes have the most success without women feeding them attention and fucking them. Truth be told it doesn’t always work but now and then it does work for those guys and it’s like gambling. If it’s worked just a few times out of hundreds, it’s hard to tell them they’re not successful.
Women need this advice as much as guys. They need to ask guys about who we are, what we enjoy doing, why we enjoy doing it, how we treat our mother and current female friends, and so on. They get used by these shallow mfs and the only reason I don’t find it as sad anymore is because I’ve accepted I can’t do anything about it. Recently a woman told me she’s still not over a situation that didn’t even have commitment to it even tho she ain’t seen the person in months. Not contacted them. So as much as I agree with this post, women need a similar post as well. Some of us guys get miscategorized because we reach out when we’re lonely or horny. They do the same thing and get fucked by some guy they really hate. That’s why the game is so fucked up.
[–]Cloutweb1 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It all depends on the country and culture.
[–]Ketchup571 33 points34 points35 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ask those women how many guys they swipe right on. That’s where their problems come from.
[–]LongLiveMacdre 57 points58 points59 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This post is bs, more women are sexually liberated than ever before nowadays and more young men are virgins.
[–]b_a_d_r0b0t 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Are you a simp?
[–]chillbill1220 52 points53 points54 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
A lot of girls get pumped and dumped by higher SMV men. I’m not even saying super high value men. Just men that are one level above them in attractiveness. I’m guilty of this sometimes. I’ll sleep with a girl I view as a 6 or 7 but never commit. I try not to lie or lead them on but I have hurt a couple girls unfortunately
[–]b_a_d_r0b0t 28 points29 points30 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That’s awesome, keep pumping and dumping. These women have no problem flaking on men their level.
[–]BostonWeedParty 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This right here
[–]whatever_man135 59 points60 points61 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Lol most girls are going after the same men ie good looking white guy and a bonus if he’s tall. So when guy has attention from all these girls he can fuck around because he has more options. So these girls are mostly complaining about the same group of guys. So I don’t really care if a girl is “struggling” with online dating tbh.
[–]b_a_d_r0b0t 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Preach
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[–]ninjamiran 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because they high unrealistic standards for guys meanwhile guys while fuck anything or date anything
[–]jbo99 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You said it right there in your post. A "dating hiatus". Voluntary. The women you are describing are choosing not to date. Men just can't get dates altogether. See the difference? I think this is a perfect illustration for why it is different for men and women. I of course can appreciate that women are frustrated not to find men then really do like and have a deep connection with. But you've got options, you're getting practice, you're able to enjoy the experience if you choose to.
Many men can't.
[–]fauxxxx 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's kindda hard feeling sorry for state of women as some guy said, women are a victim of their own delusion.
More men will approach you if you stop labeling them as a creep or put a sexual harassment sticker on them if you don't like their approach, approaching someone is a process of trial and error but most people can't practice this because you lable them as creeps and later when they complain about this, then upgrade the label to incel
[–]Chinksta 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
All of this modern dating problems don't exist if we all dated within our social circle.
You guys and girls gonna need to expand the irl social circle. Not Instagram or Facebook kind of social circle. If the current one sucks, go through with your hobbies and see where that leads to.
I mean. Isn't this the whole point of going to college parties and other social events?
[–]xonbuhg 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I just don’t get it, this sounds unreal. You gotta be like above a 7 to do what’s described here right?
[–]onenitemareatatime 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You’re right and wrong.
You’re right women aren’t having a good time necessarily. They are overwhelmed by choice and they use junk standards to get junk guys and the cycle repeats.
Their experience is VASTLY different than that of men who struggle to even get into the game.
You’re wrong thinking your 1-4 bullet points separate you from the pack.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I haven’t found a girl worth “settling down” with. Granted, I’m early 20s, and have my whole life ahead of me, but I have found very few women that were girlfriend material.
Look, I don’t want to sound like an incel, but I’ve gotten to the point where I’m just about done being the wholesome stand up guy. There’s been so many times I’ve gone on great dates, built some connections with someone, all for it just to go to waste. A lot of the girls in my demographic aren’t looking for something serious, so I stopped acting serious. Many girls would rather get wasted at a frat party, and sleep around. Not saying all of them, but it’s been true with many girls I’ve come across and know. I think there’s been a culture shift with women and dating. They feel more liberated sexually and socially.
With that being the case, I just make my way around until I do find someone worth the time. I had my fuckboy phase, and it definitely got me laid multiple times. I kinda just embraced the new dating and hookup culture in my generation. I really do crave an emotional connection with someone sometimes. It’s much better than the low effort hookups.
[–]drakon6192 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That is what I don't understand, how there are so many guys out there that can't really do any real seduction, just doing these empty netflix and chill dates, can't even listen to a girl's body or hold a conversation. And how there are lots of girls who keep coming back to these types of guys. Is it just a scarcity thing or something else? Either ways, I'm not saying being a "nice guy" is better, it's probably worse. But being a stand up guy is the way to go both if you enjoy making someone else feel real good, and just as a decent human being.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They keep going back to those guys because those guys dont put them on a pedestal and women naturally are wired to seek a guy who’s higher value than them.
As much as your nice guy programming might not like to hear this, women like when you “kind of” dgaf about them because it subconsciously signals value.
So while the nice guys think women should like them for treating them like princesses, women see those guys as low value guys who are using being “nice” as a masquerade for their low value. And unfortunately for those guys, women aren’t buying it.
So what do they do? They discreetly (or sometimes brazenly) find themselves creeping into the beds of the so called “assholes” (I dont call them that though, considering I’m one of those guys, I’d just say we get women) WHILE STILL openly complaining about how men are such scumbags.
Nice guys see women complaining and jump like monkeys to say “Hey but dont worry milady, I’m not like that!” and women give them “aww you’re so sweet” before patting them on the head and putting them in the friendzone.
It’s just like my cousin said to me, “Better to be the guy she cant stand but won’t stop fucking than to be the guy she loves but only cuddles with”
[–]DROP_TABLE_U5ers 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah I bet it does suck! I also hate free food and drinks
[–]harmonic- 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's a shame this is gonna get buried on this sub because you nailed the dating experience for average women.
The statement "many women are dissatisfied with their dating life" in no way downplays the difficulties men face in dating. The fact that so many people automatically get defensive points to some deep misogyny and insecurity.
[–]silkPJson 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
OP don’t listen to all the deniers in the comments, you hit the nail on the head. I don’t use online dating as I don’t think it’s worth it due to the problems you listed. It can be grim out for both sexes.
And I suppose this is Reddit so I guess this response by the Reddit boys is expected.
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Upvote! This place looks more and more like the banned incels sub.
[+]silkPJson -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think banning the main incel subs just made them seek out new communities to infiltrate lol.
[+][deleted] -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Right? The comments on this section is an example of why I can't date the majority of men nowadays. I'm leaving this subreddit because it's getting ridiculous at this point
[–]nCRedditor-21 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I promise you, women are making their own dating lives harder. They definitely have it far easier than men, to the point where it’s better to be the average woman - who just has to look pretty and not bring much to the table - versus being a man where not being above-average - winning the genetic lottery, filthy rich, fancy job title, flashy car, well-endowed - is insufficient, due to women being “financially independent” and “don’t have to settle”.
[–]Snoo-62854 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I feel that it's too hard to understand women, they have a hard time understanding how they feel and expressing it more difficult. Guys seem to be straight forward most of the time. I just saw a girl dressed in pink in the gym at least 3 guys approached her. She seemed interested in interaction rather than workout. Her gym partner was more focused in workout. Anyways I mean if you have 3 options everyday, even if you consider 90% of guys are crap. Why would it be so difficult to find what you are looking for? Girls can't take rejection. I got a match on Hinge today she sent me hi, but I was really down and was not willing to take one more rejection, I didn't text her for a couple of hours. She is unmatched which is okay. I feel anyways she was going to reject me after 3 messages at most if that's her patience level. Too high expectations. It's like the trouble you get into if you have too many options. Not criticizing, just be patient you will get there. Be smart, know your boundaries, expectations, be careful and give a few guys you like some opportunity.
[–]ProductivityMonster 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree they're not quite as straightforward as guys, but they're very easy to understand. Watch their actions, not their words. Are they consistently reciprocating and initiating dates, conversations, sex, etc.? If not, leave. At the end of the day, all humans are subject to the law of effort - they won't put effort/time into something they don't value (unless they're forced to obviously).
Along these same lines, if it's not an enthusiastic yes, it's a no. Also, ignoring you is a response - take it as a rejection and move on.
A lot of this comes from fear of embarrassment/physical harm. Many times it's irrational (like not politely responding to someone via text that you're not interested as opposed to just ghosting them), but sometimes it's not.
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[–]xonbuhg 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Better choice in what?
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[–]b_a_d_r0b0t 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Wtf are you talking about. Most women in USA are morbidly obese.
[–]xonbuhg 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
so you are saying men spend less efforts in all those, so they can do more of other things? or men do less but can get more different women?
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[–]iTAMEi 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah I started putting actual effort into my appearance last summer and it’s made so much difference.
I’m no leonardo Di caprio but I’m in a position to make choices now.
[–]xonbuhg 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
gotcha, you aren't wrong. I also recently started thinking about this and stopped all my other hobbies that wasted years of my life like gaming and geeky stuff, and have been focusing on improving myself.
[–]b_a_d_r0b0t 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You sound extremely delusional. Women have to exist to get dates while men have to bring value.
[–]b_a_d_r0b0t 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly
[–]Renshato 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah most women I’ve dated have been great. But pretty much every one of them has had multiple horror stories about people they’ve dated. Really wild behavior seems to be a common occurrence (like dudes cheating on them, doing or saying super weird stuff, getting angry and threatening them, harassing them, etc.). The “craziest” girls I’ve dated have just been really emotional. It’s hardly a flaw in comparison.
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