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[–]MeWuzBornIn1990 72 points73 points74 points 4 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
If you must text them, do something like sending a pic of something you saw earlier in the day to her along with a funny story or whatever. Not only does that seem like you’ve got a lot stuff going on (which you should), but it’s also original and doesn’t come off as cheesy or try hard.
Every girl is different though. I matched with a solid 8.5/10 on Bumble and she thought I wasn’t interested in her (after three dates!) because I didn’t text her enough. To be fair, she’s also only been in one relationship and girls like this are a diamond in the rough and an outlier.
[–]wondorous 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I was dating a girl who said she thought I wasn’t interested in her because I wasn’t asking about how she was when I texted her. But we texted back and forth pretty continually throughout the day. I told her that she should take the frequency of my texts as interest in itself.
[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Dating is interesting now. It seems like you are expected to maintain constant communication throughout the day or you risk coming off as not interested
[–]wondorous 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It’s different with everyone, but I got in trouble with her for taking a few hours to respond. I’m a pretty active texter but getting the sense that I “have to” respond to her within an hour or two made me not want to respond to her. I don’t like being told what to do. I like when communication preferences are shared - don’t get me wrong. But I’d much prefer to hear “I love when you text me throughout the day” vs “I’m mad at you bc it took you 4 hrs to text me back when I was simply asking you how you are”
[–]SirBodhisattva 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Just curious: Was it obvious to her that you’d seen the message, but just didn’t respond? I got ripped by a girlfriend once for “leaving her on read” b/c apparently the app we used alerted her that I’d seen the message but didn’t write her back.
[–]wondorous 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have read receipts turned off - kinda feel that they are an invasion of privacy.
But even so, I feel like responding within a few hours during work hours isn’t that big of a deal.
But with how frequently we’ve texted I feel it’s fair for her to assume that I had seen the text after a few hrs. She said that in that case I should just let her know that I’m busy. Which is a fair request. But I still felt like being asked to respond within an hour or two during work hours was a bit much.
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[–]Max_Longfellow 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Agreed. One thing, especially early PUA's, didn't stress enough is that sometimes the "fool-proof method" or the "90% of the time method" rarely mentions is that people are people and people are all different in some regards. There's a lot of chess mentality; if x then y and eventually you will get where you want.
What they forget to mention is that there's a shit ton of guys dating way up the totem pole that never spit a lick of game and weren't naturals. They just found a girl who liked what they sold on their own. If it works, use it, if it doesn't, don't try to make it work. Don't fuck up something good because you tried to run game when you shouldn't have.
[–]SpookyKG 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I tend to be all over them too much by telling them good morning and how are you doing and shit like that. What do I do to stop this?
Stop this.
[–]batalieee 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
“The girls that look for my intention (sic) are usually not that attractive or have something wrong about them.”
That’s your problem right there. You think you’re too good for these girls, but get upset that girls who are too good for you don’t want you. Can’t have it both ways.
[–]oreopimp 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Read some of my comments for sources and more specifics to help with this (cutting the fat off — read 3% man by Corey Wayne and watch his YouTube channel — and also Playing With Fire YouTube channel — it will dramatically improve your texting mindset). Use texting 90% to make plans, 10% to spice things up. Invest as she invests. Only get to know her in person. Don’t do bf relationship stuff like good mornings etc — let her reach out to you and make moves to be in a relationship with you first and respond as she responds, or less if you want to keep it casual)
If you think it would help I can post a recent text exchange from a 1st date that didn’t end with sex (rare for me) to a second date that did last night w beautiful woman who’s not used to flustered and confused and feeling shy (her words). I usually have a low key vibe, just having fun, and usually let them chase and fill silences, mixed with little qualification (as in presex I’m still undecided but she seems like good company) here and there
[–]iceking123[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Thanks I’ll look into them. I’ve read a Mark Manson so I’m excited
[–]oreopimp 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Mark Manson is excellent — especially for his concept of honesty and vulnerability, which is huge imo. Being honest and vulnerable with who you are and tailoring that to be shown while flirting, while getting to know a guy or woman, even during sex is a huge source of social strength in how you carry yourself in the world
[–]bigballer29 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Being honest and vulnerable about what though?
[–]oreopimp 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Everything. Being honest and vulnerable, just saying what's on your mind or sharing a part of yourself and putting yourself out there exposed allows the other person to realize you just created a space for them to do the same and share about themselves in a non-judgmental way. Or vice versa -- a first date I was recently on girl shared a big emotional story and was feeling exposed and vulnerable so I appreciated her sharing it, shared a vulnerable story about myself coming from an emotionally and physically violent home and what that was like to deal with and conquer over many years and then we switch the subject -- and through that experience became closer than before. Because we shared something vulnerable about ourselves.
But it could be something as simple as in the initial stages of meeting a woman, you are slightly more forward, or you share a wild story, or in silence you just look at her and she askes "what?" and you just say "nothing, just looking at you" as if you were appreciating and exposing into the air the affect she has on you.
[–]vorter 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
3% Man is a lot more practical. It’s the logical next step after models. There’s a few things I don’t agree with like only texting to set up plans, especially with OLD but it rings true.
[–]oreopimp 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
3% is key imo for a absolutely straight forward mental mindset on having fun and letting the woman be the one to initiate a long term relationship, and for the laid back attitude you should have in communication and texting — basically to eradicate all forms of neediness
But mixing into that foundation the mindsets from Playing with Fire and stuff from Todd V etc — little pushes (especially in terms of dealing with no responses, how often to reach out or respond, how laconic you should be in your texting, etc) and cockiness and how to pull back — will take your texting and style of communication when you guys are not in the same room together to another level.
From these and a few other sources I’ve put together my own style of texting and setting up dates and keeping things sexy (and just slightly cocky) that it’s incredibly rare I don’t get something happening w a woman as long as I get at least one initial response back from her
Btw imo texting (and done is few words as you need to use) can be used for: 1. Creating a solid frame for how you guys are going to interact based on how you text 2. Implying social value especially if you’re laconic and don’t respond to every tangent and you casually reach out days later if no response - or if you pull back or call out if she is being low investment 3. Keeping things flirty and sexy or fun 4. Qualifying/Teasing “I expected so much more from a feisty girl 🤔” 5. Setting up plans
But it is not used imo for getting to know a girl or tell her good morning or have the type of conversation you should have in person — when you type words it should have a purpose — spike emotions w some flirting or fun vibe and to set plans and v rarely for comfort
[–]Gordon101 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What's crazy is that some girls actually want to talk to you and get to know you via texting before meeting up. Like, last night, I matched with this girl on Bumble and did a pretty good job keeping her entertained and escalating. Got her number and started making plans, but she said she wants to chat a little bit before meeting up. I told her I can do it over espressos or a phone call. Easier than texting.
[–]oreopimp 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Solid way to handle that, my man. If she wants more, just an attitude of 'sure give me a call or lets catch a quick coffee" or "would you rather type about yourself or actually show and tell me about yourself"
and did a pretty good job keeping her entertained
Might just be the way you typed this, but if not, the frame to come from is: sure maybe she's cute but is she doing a pretty good job investing and keeping ME entertained?
[–]Gordon101 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good point. Inversion of control.
[–]KND_DNK 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Any recommended reads or channels for just becoming more sexual/teasing/witty/charming? I know charisma on command but it seems a little recycled
[–]oreopimp 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There's more to add to this but definitely:
Playing with Fire (YouTube) -- excellent for being laconic and sexualizing conversations. How to quickly set up dates. Along with Corey Wayne's book and YouTube channel, it is a killer mindset combo.
Todd Valentine (his courses are good, especially Verbal Academy, but his YouTube is solid) and with him there should be an eye opening video on baseline (normal conversation) vs plotline (spiking emotions and also making the conversation man-to-woman) so you know if your conversation is too normal boring or if you need to quickly punch it up with something.
James Marshall (YouTube, courses) -- both his courses and YouTube content is killer. Has stuff on the Pillars of Seduction but also how to converse with women. Lot of stuff focused on how to have emotionally relevant conversations -- talking to her about what motivates her, her desires, why she does what she does, discovering her character. etc.
I'm in a hurry but those are great sources for what you are looking for. Other sources I can recall off the top of my head as being great:
Sex God Method book -- great for being more assertive/dominant, being sexual, will as a side affect hype your bedroom dirty talk to another level
Way of the Superior Man book -- good foundation to have being a masculine man, dealing with women and their feminine energy
Marshall Rosenberg's two main books on non-violent communication. This will completely rearrange how you interpret and have conversations forever. Both women and men will love to talk to you because you will just "understand" them, regardless of whatever emotion they are feeling. Imagine a woman finding an attractive man who can also truly communicate with her -- I think this has been huge in how successful I have been with women.
Getting the Love you want book -- will completely upend your views on relationships and love and why and how people search for love. Another huge thing in my own success. You just kind of understand why women or your partners are doing what they are doing when it comes to how they act in relationships.
[–]neoda1 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
so is someone forcing you doing this?
you are acknowledging your doing this and want us to do what? tell you to stop while you know you should stop since ur saying it already in this post???
[–]chrissizkool 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
If you lose girls after first date, it just means either compatibility issues in which you aren't screening out for or the date wasn't as good as you thought it was and your game is lacking something. I'd say one key attribute in any relationship with a girl (fuck buddy or ltr) is sexual tension. Are you creating enough of that because I guarantee you, you probably aren't which is why girls flake.
[–]iceking123[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Any advice on creating more sexual tension? I think that’s what I’m missing
[–]chrissizkool 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah sexual tension could be a lot of things. Touching, talking close to her, whisper in her ear in club, locking in eye contact, sexual conversations, having dominant body language when talking with her, etc. I prefer sexual body language because actions speak louder than words. Also she can contextualize your message as this guy either wants to fuck you or be your friend.
[–]Amkg2020 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ya I think you just bang m and leave them on read and they chase I'm not sure
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Man, these Mark dude’s percentages are jibberish. Take it by ear.
Only logistics can be reasonable if the date is within a couple days and the girl gives off the vibe she’s into you/or the date idea. If it’s a week in advance, not a chance am I going out for that date when the time comes if I only text for logistics.
After the lay just send them a text like "I enjoyed spending the night with you, if you're up for another hangout let me know."
[–]Robofrogg1 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don’t text that nonsense. It’s boring, adds no value to their lives, and just makes you appear needy. The phone should be for setting dates only. Save the rest for the actual dates.
[–]Woujo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I tend to be all over them too much by telling them good morning and how are you doing and shit like that.
Then don't do that. Text them one interesting thing every 2 days and let that be it.
[–]iJuiiCe_x -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just set up dates, it's feminine to be the one sending good mornings and shit
[–]epicharlie12 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You only text to meetup, outside of that you're supposed to be silent
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[–]iceking123[🍰] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What? lol who said anything about talking down to them. I don’t talk down to woman but I’m real with myself and my intentions with them and who I decide to have around me. If I’m not attracted to someone or see a future with them then I’m not gonna chase after them. I’m good with talking to woman I just have a problem over romanticizing a relationship and end up chasing them away so I’m looking for a way to stop that. Woman don’t like it when a men is too open and vulnerable to them specially early on. This is my only issue lol
From what I see you’re an older woman that does only fans and has a big ego for absolutely no reason. You’re the type of people that I try to avoid and hate with a passion. Your opinion doesn’t matter to me.
[–]Eros-69 -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm a down to earth older woman and I HATE OF thank you very much! 🤨 I am a single woman who likes a little attention..absolutely NOTHING wrong with that!!! And self confidence is sexy... I have noo delusions about myself unlike you obviously... Smh
Was just trying to help you but if your ego is THAT fragile you HAVE TO cut me down, I SEE YOU... comment gone.. wallah lol
And I was gonna agree with you on that one.... you need to step back, go slower, don't chase, be real... And you just ripped me apart based on a glance at my profile!.. just cuz you can't take some healthy criticism and helpful words on a post you created asking for help!! 🤷♀️🙄😅 (And sure take the guys advice but RIP into the 50 yo F!!!...Niice!! Classy!! Lmmfao YEAHH I SEE YOU!!)
But nooo sweat...I'll move along... ✌
[–]damiancontrol 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I want to understand why you can't just STOP doing it? I mean you're already aware what you're doing wrong... what's stopping you from actually stopping yourself?
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[–]damiancontrol 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Didn't the therapist help you cope?
[–]damiancontrol 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
pfft what a scam
[–]Bladelazoe 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How are you talking to them, are you maintaining eye contact when you two talk or are you looking around 90% of the time when talking. And are you connecting with the girls?
[–]iceking123[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah I’m trying to overcome that. I think I need to be busier in my life than be texting girls
[–]surferguy999 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You’re coming off as emotionally needy. Read the book model (I have a summary under my profile).
Unless she’s your GF they shouldn’t be proving good morning texts.
[–]urmad4what 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How do you stop? You literally stop, go focus on whatever is gonna make you improve, be productive. Plus you don’t gain anything telling a girl good morning everyday and texting her all day. More times you’ll lose things and if you’re aware of this, why keep doing. All you’re doing is sticking your hand in a box that you know has a biting snake in there
[–]Max_Longfellow 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My advice if you think you get in, get hooked, and start going to hard after them isn't necessarily to talk to more girls. I mean you can, that's one solution, but if you're not out trying to get laid a ton and lookin for one to keep then you can end up feeling shittier if talking to other girls goes poorly, and it will be reflect on your attitude with the one you've gone on a date with already.
My advice is to give them that right amount of distance but fill that time with something where you can't be checking your phone all the time, like go to the gym and lock it in the locker. Uber (or whatever on your own time type job) for a few hours a day and make some extra money. Social network and spend time with some coworkers / friends / family and take some pics of what you're doing.
Mystery Method isn't usually the model I go to for anything past early-mid game and certain crowds, but some of the universalities he laid out for people who don't know how to think like the guys who get girls, such as health / wealth / social value, are investments you can spend time on to distract yourself.
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