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[–]NextSpinach 22 points23 points24 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Practice. The more women you talk to the better you get at it. You'd be surprised how much confidence you can carry away from even an interaction you don't escalate successfully.
You start off kind of nervous and shitty at talking to women, then you get better and can hold great, flirty conversations but are shitty at escalating, then you learn how to actually escalate properly. Its step by step.
[–]daddyenrique 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yep. Pretty much this. I’m currently at the “flirty conversations but shitty at escalating” phase. OP, it will get better, but you have to put in the work to try to improve.
[–]olronk1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
What phase would I be in if I can pretty much talk to anyone without being nervous but I've never had any woman consider me good looking enough to escalate?
[–]Radicalness3 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's OK to start small. Next time you're at a grocery store or coffee shop, make an effort to ask the cashier something. Even just "How's your day going?"
Then move on to talking to someone while you're out walking. "Hey, cute dog. What's its name?"
Interactions like these can be good practice at social interactions to build up to approaching that hot chick at the bar.
[–]ImJustSo 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Sounds to me like you just don't really want to do things their way. A lot of "not caring" is more so about focusing on caring about the right things. You don't have to be an idiot when you approach women, but if you desire the ability to approach women, then find your way of approaching them.
Here's a personal example. I don't like going direct with women. I don't start interactions by telling them they're cute or that I like something about them. I never give away a particular power that I hold. I don't understand why it works better for me to play the part I do, it's just more comfortable and does work better for me. I'm indirect and I tease a lot, I'm funny, a bit cocky, but still reserved. Women typically just respond to my masculine energy, so I know I don't need to set the tone by telling her I'm speaking to her because I think she's cute. Women don't need to know why I'm talking to them, all they need to do is talk to me.
Do you know how many ways there are to begin interactions with a woman? Like endless? They don't have to be sleazy, or awkward, or bawdy. It could be as simple as.....It's chilly, you're standing next to a girl and you say, "Brrrr!"
She is a woman. If you're cold, she was cold ten minutes ago. She's gonna say something like, "I know right!" I'd probably bring up my nipples, her nipples, or both our nipples, but moving onto the next example.
Maybe you overhear a girl talking about how she's out of smokes, but your buddy smokes. You ask him for a square, he gives you one, and you walk right up to the girl and say, "Need one of these? Let's go outside!" This actually happened. Hottest chick in the bar, saw her dress hiked up past her ass on the mechanical bull and decided I wanted to touch her butt. So we went outside, yay.
Let's see, any girl that brushes against you or stands "too close" typically wants to talk to you. Those girls only need a word to open, they are waiting for you to acknowledge them.
Girls that are looking you in the eyes repeatedly and smiling? Practically inviting you over and you're scared as fuck to take that invitation? I don't know what to tell you there. You know exactly what you're supposed to do and me saying it won't fix that. Those girls, you could just go sit or stand by and let them open you, or you could say some smooth shit, doesn't matter. They just want to talk to a hot guy and right then, that's what they think you are. You might not think so, but that's what the dopey smile means.
[–]mrread55 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That last paragraph I would add don't be afraid to embrace a bit of your uncertainty. If she wants you to come over it's cool if you're like "you sure? yeah that sounds cool." They know what they want and you want to maintain an aura of confidence but not cocky like "idk where this is gonna go but if you're ready to lead me I'll follow" and then just go w/ the flow. If you see she's suggesting an opening for a kiss or a touch or something just go for it, and if she doesn't like it you back off respectfully, apologize, and then take it slow from there or learn from your mistakes that maybe you "misread" the situation but know now how to approach it if it happens (and it will happen) again in the future.
[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good to see you posting! I'll just add some musings to what you commented.
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Here's a personal example. I don't like going direct with women. I don't start interactions by telling them they're cute or that I like something about them. Women don't need to know why I'm talking to them, all they need to do is talk to me.
Here's a personal example. I don't like going direct with women. I don't start interactions by telling them they're cute or that I like something about them.
Women don't need to know why I'm talking to them, all they need to do is talk to me.
Honestly, I've long thought that this definition of "direct" as a guy walking up and telling a girl he thinks she's cute, shows "intent," or "goes sexual" immediately, is wildly inaccurate. These things are not "direct," so much as it's lacking in calibration and savviness.
It's direct to start a conversation, see where it goes, and number close if you're interested, especially if you aren't putting the cart before the horse and those are your only goals upfront.
Actual indirect is really finding ways to make the girl initiate and/or perform various steps in the process herself.
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I've spoken enough to girls I've hooked up with, after the fact, about when they knew something was going on. Girls usually know immediately when a guy is interested, even if he's just talking to them.
Much of the time, we might think what we're doing is "indirect" or "subtle" and while it might be to anyone besides the girl we're focused on, it'll be clear as day to her.
The issue is that a lot of guys start off being too timid and undercutting themselves. They may initiate just fine and then unintentionally fade back during that initial conversation with poor body language or failing to pull the trigger on basic stuff like suggesting to hang again or getting a number. Or they may do so too timidly and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
And then these guys end up with a mistaken impression that starting a conversation and actually paying active attention to her, aren't "direct" enough by themselves. Which is false.
[–]jungleheritage 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is helpful. I feel a little bit more confident now. Thanks my man.
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[–]NewtypeJ 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Alcohol never helps me personally. I refer to myself as a tired drunk so when I drink, my main focus is to go to a small corner and fall asleep. I look at it logically like most guys try to do with all things, there are more women than men in the world so the odds of finding someone is more for you than it is for them. There’s that, but you don’t want all women, you probably want a select few, when I first started I gave myself 3 seconds to approach them and talk to them and it worked with confidence but it didn’t help me to close. I think mystery referee to it as canned material, I don’t take it as far as he does but it seems like everyone does it (RSD and the other YouTube pickup artists). It just works. Try coming up with some natural sounding shit to say and just try it out. The next part that I find helps confidence is that most guys focus on closing from the moment they see a girl, they think “She’s hot I wanna fuck her”. Enjoy the pick up process, enjoy passing shit tests (my favorite part). Go out to have fun with friends not get laid. My easiest nightlife pickups have been when I’ve gone out with a group of like minded people, we we having a good time and girls approached our group or opened themselves up for conversation (cause you know, girls don’t approach and shit). I know this was long but you’re where I was years ago, it’ll get better just keep up the press brother.
[–]killing_floor_noob 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Fuck an expensive hooker. I know this might get me downvoted - but hear me out.
Once you have been with a super hot girl and had a good time (and you will have a good time with a top class escort) then you really don't care too much about talking to other hot girls. It's kinda a 'been there, done that' scenario.
If you've never been with a super hot woman, then when you are chatting to one at a bar then you will always be thinking 'what will it be like'.... rather than focusing on your game.
It worked for me.
[–]mrread55 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
When you've been to the top of a mountain, everything else feels like an anthill.
[–]canarywocoalmine -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is a dumb analogy. This is like being flown to the top of a mountain and then trying to climb a small hill. Paying a hooker bypasses all the skills you need to actually get a woman in bed.
[–]mrread55 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think it's more so about the intimidation of being with someone that physically appears to be out of his league. Overcoming the sense of "she'd never do things w/ me" by actually doing things w/ someone who is crazy attractive might help lower those fears of actually trying since it's one less thing to think about. Might work for some might not work for everyone. Worth a shot and hey even if it doesn't, still had a good time.
[–]pickuptruck007 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This actually didn't work for me and I thought it would.
Maybe for people with me and OP's personality types it may be different.
I have had more success with practice. Like going up to girls every day and just saying hi or anything. Practicing not even having anything on my mind when I say hi and usually there's something there that happens or I say that's dumb that makes it funny. Most of the time there isn't and it's fine but over the years it gets easier.
[–]Optymistyk 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dude, you have to realize it's OK to be sexual. Women like being hit on by confident, high value men. Even if sometimes they pretend they don't, and even if it doesn't work out in the end, they get a nice ego boost from it. They actually despise men who don't have the balls to be openly sexual. Just don't be a creep. Don't stress out and don't try to please her. Have the mindset of "yes, I like your body. Let's see if you can excite me".
[–]AllFunLife-com 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The more shots you take the more shots you make. Keep approaching, for me it became more about the fun of the game/process than judging the results of each individual shot.. here’s some new daygame in S Beach for inspiration https://youtu.be/CsJ8HP0OvrM sending you positive vibes bro!
[–]mrread55 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Even if there's a 1% chance you will find success eventually.
[–]BaronBurgers1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
And by shots, we don't mean shots of tequila
[–]WestCoastSaint 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
TLDR - get a wingman, use the 3 second rule and work on your inner game by reading books.
Most points have already been covered, I just want to reinforce the importance of the 3 second rule and the people you are with. If you're afraid of embarrassing yourself in front of your friends then they are not true friends. Find someone who is either in a similar situation to yours or is better at it. Approaching with a friend using openers like asking for a female opinion might not get you the best results but it's an easy start. The 3 second rule is paramount cause you are using the moment before limiting beliefs and insecurities kick in to smile and take the first step towards them. Once you already committed you stop thinking about what could go wrong and start thinking about how to make sure it goes well. If you prefer an analogy: I first understood the importance of this rule when I was at the beach trying to run into the freezing cold water. Sure you could go in slowly but that's pretty much torture. Instead I'd focus on getting into the right state of mind. This state of mind doesn't stick around for long cause you quickly start thinking about the thermal shock you're about to experience. But as soon as I got it and the raging waves gave me an opening I'd start running and it's the most liberating thing ever. Also, check out "the secrets of the A game" by Logan Edwards. I'm currently reading it and it's doing wonders for my inner game, confidence and perception of women.
[–]Zandito 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Practice and just knowing there will be others, if she’s not for you better to know sooner than later. If there isn’t a pretty immediate click, bye, Felicia.
[–]ifthesewoescouldtalk 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
focus on just talking to people.get to know anyone, whether or not you wanna fuck them. couple that flow with alcohol and once you wanna step up to a girl you think is attractive, there will be no pressure. Just think of something interesting to say if you dont find the game intrinsically fun.
[–]Paltenburg 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A jumpstart for me would be something like a multi-day festival. There, I'm forced to socialize and I like to talk to women, so after doing that for a couple of days, you get the hang of it a bit, and it's easier to do it back home as well.
[–]10Meyjachi 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have the same thing, but particularly approaching groups is hard. Maybe brake it into something you are comfortable with and just start small, like waitresses or something like that, teasing them.
[–]Zilla0721 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Stop over analyzing and start living. Don't worry about other people's thought and opinions because at the end of the day they aren't thinking about you.
[–]sinbad2011 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You admit you care and accept it. Laugh at it. Don't take it seriously
[–]hilhil83 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
as a female sometime you just feel hunted not like someone actually wants to connect with you for real. keep that in mind.
just my 2 cents.
[–]mydeardroogs 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Get new friends. Take a multivitamin. Go somewhere unfamiliar. Don't feel pressured to be sociable, just try it in bursts. You don't need to talk and have fun for a long while, just have a few good moment, lean into those good moments as motivators.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How do you stop caring? That’s a weird question. If you stopped caring you wouldn’t be out looking for women in the first place. You’d probably be at home doing something else.
And if you want to have fun, do what is fun for you. I mean do you want me to tell you what I think will be fun for you without knowing you? You should know what you enjoy.
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