NZ Sexual Violence Bill, currently before Parliament, looks to increase convictions by effectively revoking the defendant’s right to silence, and prohibiting types of evidence tending to indicate innocence.

Arguesovereverythin · 2021-06-26T21:26:07+00:00

It sounds absolutely awful. From what I can tell, you basically can't ask about past sexual relationships of the accuser - even if it is a relationship with the accused.

Connecting with the article, if the accused person reasonably believed they had consent due to past interactions, this would not be admissable as evidence.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think someone automatically gives consent just because they had sex in the past. But refusing to let the jury even hear these details is pretty extreme.

jostyouraveragejoe2 · 2021-06-26T21:19:47+00:00

Meanwhile they tell us how rare false accusations are and that we shouldn't worry about it.

Deadlocked02 · 2021-06-26T21:04:36+00:00

Has anyone here actually seen some suggestions by women’s rights groups about rape cases that didn’t involve empowering the accuser at the expense of the accused’s ability to defend themselves? I honestly haven’t. At least not lately. Even if you go to places where feminists are willing to discuss in good faith with men’s rights activists and acknowledge that false rape accusations indeed exist and aren’t “as rare as get struck by a lightning”, they’ll still go around in circles and end up making the same suggestions as their sisters who minimize such accusations. It always boils down to believing her word 100%, even if they say it in different ways. It’s like they want rape cases to have the same conviction rates as, let’s say, murder, except that never gonna happen, as tragic as it is (not only for them, but for countless men too). Offenses like sexual assault will never leave behind the same evidence trail as murder or a robbery in broad daylight. No, that doesn’t excuse things like bad work ethics from police officers, but it’s still a hard pill that feminism and all the conservative sphere, in their eternal crusade to protect women from evil men, need to swallow. Everyone deserves a fair trial and sending innocent men to jail is not a price worth paying so you can feel safe.

helloiseeyou2020 · 2021-06-26T19:23:30+00:00

Lol, a proposed law that will decrease the ability of innocent men to defend themselves that has its worst impact on minority men.

now watch supposed lefties champion this as "progress"

N19864 · 2021-06-26T17:55:17+00:00

There are some data around false convictions. Robust statistical analysis of post-conviction DNA testing in Virginia, United States, found that 8-15% were factually innocent. Although 29%t of the Virginian population is African American, 60% of those convicted were of this ethnicity. Similarly in New Zealand, 16.5% of our population but 32% of all sexual offence convictions are Māori. A law that prevents accused defending themselves must further disadvantage innocent, but poorly-resourced Māori, potentially worsening this inequity gap.

I have given expert evidence for both prosecution and defence, and I have published widely in this area. From 1994 until 1999 I led Casualties of Sexual Allegations, a national organisation which documented hundreds of false allegation cases, and supported the accused and their families through their harrowing experiences.

iainmf · 2021-06-27T06:37:07+00:00

It is completely unjust to have the goal of increasing convictions.

I wish I had the time to look into this more but I can't do advocacy for every issue. I've already got a few things on the go. EG A complaint against the NZ human rights commission.

DanteLivra · 2021-06-27T13:48:31+00:00

Less possibilities for a fair defense means more men will get convicted. Criminal stats relative to sexual violence will go up. Feminists outrage over the fact that those stats go up, proceed to use those same stats to justify more infringement of rights.

They don't want to help female victims, they want to punish men as a whole.

Teach men that they too, have the right to consent. Teach men that they too, have the right to a shelter against sexual violence.

Watch those crimes vanish, that's what feminism should have done and that's what female victims need.

Carkudo · 2021-06-27T06:24:23+00:00

Going by the spirit of the law, shouldn't the existence of such restrictions introduce more "reasonable doubt" into any trial, thus pushing judges to convict less? And if it doesn't, does that fact not undermine the whole notion of reasonable doubt as a factor in making judgements?

hardturkeycider · 2021-06-27T23:37:53+00:00

Eh. In their eyes it's "removing a rapist's right to throw shade on a victim". Without specific cases in mind, i'm reluctant to see that change as good or bad. However, removing the right to remain silent is pretty wrong.

weirdwriter123 · 2021-06-27T08:27:38+00:00

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Title	NZ Sexual Violence Bill, currently before Parliament, looks to increase convictions by effectively revoking the defendant’s right to silence, and prohibiting types of evidence tending to indicate innocence.
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Date	June 26, 2021 5:53 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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