Scientific journal apologizes amid backlash over Canadian professor's essay criticizing diversity hiring

MathematicianNo4277 · 2021-08-18T15:05:51+00:00

The last part is reality defying. You cannot both have diversity hiring and be surprised that people will be suspected of being diversity hires. Discrimination only ever produces more discrimination, even with "good intent".

I am proud of having the career I have despite being gay. I would be ashamed to have it because I am gay.

Affirmative action is degrading to all involved and solves nothing.

Deadlocked02 · 2021-08-18T16:21:39+00:00

You know where I’d love to see some diversity? HR positions. In places like the US, women make up more than 70% of HR managers. Not that I think that more men in those positions would completely mitigate the issue, but there seems to be an ongoing problem with HR ladies with a “keen sense of justice” making some very biased decisions. There was a post about this on this sub these days. It wasn’t about HR per se, but about people being interviewed for scholarships and with obscene amounts of pro-female bias being displayed, as usual.

funkynotorious · 2021-08-18T14:52:50+00:00

”In a social equilibrium, preferential treatment of one group leads to disadvantages for another,” Hudlicky writes. “The rise and emphasis on hiring practices that suggest or even mandate equality in terms of absolute numbers of people in specific subgroups is counter-productive if it results in discrimination against the most meritorious candidates.”

The fact that this was even remotely controversial in regards to the highest levels of hard science academia is testament to the nutty extremes the “woke” movement is pushing towards.

Of course the most meritorious candidates should be hired, irrespective of whether they’re Jewish like Einstein, Indian like Bose, or women like Currie.

Imagining a world where the next Newton might not get appointed as the Lucasian Professor of Mathematics because of his, well, “Newtonian” ethnic or gender qualities is frightening.

lightning_palm · 2021-08-18T17:58:20+00:00

Does anyone have a link to the retracted article?

Edit – here it is: https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/chemdna/files/2020/06/10.1002anie.202006717.pdf

magus678 · 2021-08-18T17:57:53+00:00

“This is a hair’s breadth away from saying anyone who isn’t a white man is only there because they’re ‘diversity hires’.”

chad.jpg "Yes."

Really though, I'm not sure how anyone who supports diversity hiring can be blind to these downstream consequences. And to chastise someone for plucking this ever so low hanging fruit is very Emperor Has No Clothes.

If you worked somewhere and the boss's son just so happened to get a job above his experience/education level, you wouldn't waste one moment being confused about how that came to pass.

vtj · 2021-08-18T18:11:29+00:00

One can make an argument on favor of increasing diversity, even at the price of hiring suboptimal candidates. And one can make an argument in favor of strict meritocracy, even at the price of less diversity.

The unfairness of the currently prevailing practice is that it insists on pro-diversity policies in male-dominated fields, but avoids them in female-dominated ones, basically choosing whichever approach is more "female-friendly" in a given situation. As a result, most traditionally male-dominated fields are becoming more diverse, while female-dominated ones stay the same (or actually become even more female-dominated), even when the heavily female-favoring gender ratio has clear negative consequences, e.g. in education, psychology, or gender studies.

-Gruagach- · 2021-08-18T21:04:56+00:00

This is his response https://www.nas.org/blogs/article/the-case-of-tomas-hudlickywhere-now It's quite lengthy, but a really well put together response and outlines what he plans to do next.

Title	Scientific journal apologizes amid backlash over Canadian professor's essay criticizing diversity hiring
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Date	August 18, 2021 2:50 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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