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The Biden Administration Is Unwilling to Oppose Discrimination Against Men

Nice_Drag8683

December 2, 2022
187 upvotes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
https://www.newsweek.com/biden-administration-unwilling-oppose-discrimination-against-men-opinion-1762731
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Title The Biden Administration Is Unwilling to Oppose Discrimination Against Men
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Nice_Drag8683

Upvotes 187
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Date December 2, 2022 1:51 AM UTC
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The Biden Administration Is Unwilling to Oppose Discrimination Against Men

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December 1, 2022
/r/MensRights

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[–]NimishApteleft-wing male advocate 56 points57 points58 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What an absolute shocker! /s

[–]Ok_Line_886 52 points53 points54 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Hardly surprising. I do think things will get better down the line. People seem to be paying more and more attention to this stuff. But we have to be careful. Many will look at the stats and scream that boys are not "discriminated against," that they're just "less mature" or "less intelligent" or "less valuable".

[–]Flaktrack 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

boys are not "discriminated against," that they're just "less mature" or "less intelligent" or "less valuable"

It really isn't that long ago that people were saying this about girls. Short memories all over.

[–]SchalaZeal01left-wing male advocate 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

were saying this about girls

Maybe about girls being CEO or state leader (mostly about being supposedly too emotional and empathetic to lead efficiently, too morally good, unable to take the decisions that have to be taken when they'll hurt some, not want to please everyone), not about girls generally existing.

Intelligence never was a required quality of leadership, you just have to look the part (pretend to know what's happening) and be a good judge of character for your staff. They can do the thinking.

[–]Unicorn-Tiddies 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Intelligence never was a required quality of leadership

These days, it seems like we actively seek out stupid people for leadership roles.

[–]hottake_toothache 34 points35 points36 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not surprised about the Biden administration, but tbh, I'm pleased this ran in NewWeek (at least online).

[–]Valzemodeus 31 points32 points33 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Kings do not oppose discrimination against peasantry. They sacrifice them.

[–]SUPERTHUNDERALPACA 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Which means we must stop considering them kings.

[–]SuperSupremeKai 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Goes to show how women aren't seen as peasants, huh?

[–]Valzemodeus 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is an oversimplification.

Being seen as a tool vs a peasant is ultimately not much better. Both will be discarded when convenient.

[–]Schmladdn 31 points32 points33 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Its really discouraging that in teh US neither the right wing party nor the left wing party (yes I know the US has no realy left wing party, the Dems are center right) really care about discrimination against men. The Republicans don't care about discrimination at all and the Democrats only care about discrimination against everyone but men. Things also don't realyl improve when looking at other countries around the world.

The consensus is still that men cannot be discriminated against any any capacity whatsoever and if they somehow do face problems its "toxic masculinity".

[–]Fearless-File-36251 points 3 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

AA case against Harvard is by a conservative group, case California's law mandating 1 women in boardrooms was a conservative group and Title IX reforms that Biden is trying so hard to reverse were pushed by Betsy Devos. Those three things are probably more than what democrats have done in last 20 years and I didn't even include child custody and support reforms in some conservative states.

Saying republicans don't care discrimination is truly delusional but somehow not the most delusional thing in your comment. Quite an achievement.

[–]LeftWingMaleAdvocates-ModTeam[M] 2 points3 points4 points 3 years agolocked comment (0 children) | Copy Link

Your comment was removed, because it contained a personal attack on another user. Please try to keep your contributions civil.

You make good points in your first paragraph, but you undo all that in your second paragraph that you turned into a sarcastic personal attack. Which is something you know we do not appreciate here.

Let this be your last warning.

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[–]AwfulUsername123 37 points38 points39 points 3 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

That's the wrong way to phrase it. The Biden administration supports discrimination against men. Biden has been a female supremacist for a long time. He was instrumental in passing the Violence Against Women Act, which discriminates against male victims despite the fact that it was later amended to say the government must provide help to male victims under its provisions.

[–]Enzi42 29 points30 points31 points 3 years ago* (15 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps a controversial take but I don't really see Biden as a "female supremacist" as much as he is a "traditional man" wearing the skin of a progressive.

Spoken plainly, it means that he has the old fashioned values of "women are vulnerable and need to be protected at all costs from brutish, evil men" mindset.

Perhaps I'm projecting onto President Biden, but I know and am very close to a man with similar ideology---extremely left leaning and progressive, but also very traditional in terms of gender roles, and sees advocating for women as part of a man's duty. Biden's rhetoric on women both before and after his election very much strikes me as similar.

This attitude leads to the advocacy of all kinds of policies that discriminate against or ignore men while clamoring for women's advantages. On the other hand entirely, focusing on women is a cold-blooded and rational political move considering that seeking female votes has been a high priority for Democrats for some time.

Now, Obama was/is a female supremacist or at least is far closer to being one than Biden. He barely hid that mindset and in fact seemed to get a lot of praise for being one.

I guess it doesn't matter at the end what Biden believes; the end result is the same.

[–]SchalaZeal01left-wing male advocate 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Remember Biden ran on a platform to remove due process on campus trials. The one Trump reinstated I would say, almost accidentally.

[–]Enzi42 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago* (13 children) | Copy Link

Oh, I know all about that. But that’s exactly what I’m thinking of when I call him a traditionalist rather than a female supremacist. It’s the idea that women are vulnerable prey and need to be protected at all costs from male predators. It has the end result of promoting a somewhat female supremacist agenda, but the mind that conceived the policies does not adhere to that ideology.

...I just want to disclaim that I am not defending Joe Biden’s anti male policies and rhetoric; I condemn them, but I have disagreements on where they come from. I mentioned this before, but the way he presents himself on these matters is very familiar to me in terms of seeing men who think this way.

Also, contrasting Biden against Barack Obama who almost openly flaunts literal female supremacist ideals in public, I’d argue Biden is either much better at hiding them or never had them to begin with.

[–]SchalaZeal01left-wing male advocate 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

It’s the idea that women are vulnerable prey and need to be protected at all costs from male predators.

That's a "That's a sacrifice I'm willing to make" way of seeing it, when you're not possibly affected.

Throwing innocent men under the bus? Meh who cares, I'm not there. Right? /s

If you're willing to throw men to the wolves (and only men), not just go to the bat for women, you're not a traditionalist, you hate men or worship women.

[–]Enzi42 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

If you're willing to throw men to the wolves (and only men), not just go to the bat for women, you're not a traditionalist, you hate men or worship women.

I'll have to disagree on that. Traditionalism, particularly traditional masculinity very much includes brutality against other men in the service of protecting women. Think how many myths and epic tales involve a single lone hero slaughtering countless (male) enemies to save a single woman.

Traditional old fashioned men don't hate other men, but they do not have group loyalty to other men in the least. You can see it in how these types of men view men's issues as a whole---they will acknowledge they exist and perhaps even do work to solve them...but that effort is limited to the men they know and hold close to them.

It is a foreign and sometimes even anger-inducing idea to go to bat for men as a whole.

On the other hand, these kinds of men will lose their minds if women as a group are threatened and see it as part of a man's purpose on Earth to confront that threat.

It's more complicated than men like Biden hating men and worshipping women; its more that they see women as needing protection from other men, men who they have no reason to care about, since they are not in their circle.

Add to that the political gains of pandering to women by assuring them that the party is really going out of its way to make sure they are protected, and things get even more tangled.

[–]SchalaZeal01left-wing male advocate 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Think how many myths and epic tales involve a single lone hero slaughtering countless (male) enemies to save a single woman.

They're enemies, he advocates throwing his fellow men under the bus. Not Afghan men. Not Pakistani men. US men on US soil. He has a mandate to represent the whole of US, unlike your neighbor who has no such responsibility.

[–]Enzi42 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

he advocates throwing his fellow men under the bus...US men on US soil. He has a mandate to represent the whole of US, unlike your neighbor who has no such responsibility

Yes, that is all true, although I do take some issue with the part about Afghan/Pakistani men and enemies, but that's beside the point.

Men with Biden's outlook (or what I suspect to be his outlook) do not have a healthy view of other men or women. They have an antipathy and gap in their empathy and compassion when it comes to their fellow man. This actually includes men they are close to. You speak of Biden being beholden to the men of the US--I watched a group of friends who were deeply loyal to one another and had gone through a great deal together turn on one of their own and actually plot to harm him over a rape allegation that turned out to be false. All of that comraderie flushed down the toilet in an instant.

That is what let's him throw men he should, by moral and political mandate, be protecting. Morality has little purchase here, it's about upbringing and traditional outlooks which are themselves hard coded in our biological makeup.

And once again that is before you look at the political motivations that arise when discussing men's issues vs women's. What a person has to gain vs what they can lose.

I guess at the end of the day I just feel calling Joe Biden a "man hater/woman worshipper" simplifies the problem, to the detriment of a possible solution. There is much more at play here, and understanding the issue's makeup can help to unravel it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Well if this is biologically encoded for men to think this way toward other men and see women as to be protected and cared for over other men, why don't I have these tendencies myself as a male? I feel revulsion toward females and have no desire to protect them and I am a homosexual too.

[–]Enzi42 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't personally know your situation but I can recall a very specific incident that I know of where a group of close friends turned on one of their own and plotted to physically harm him due to a rape allegation. They instantly believed it and turned on him, withoutecen hearinghis side. One of the members of this friend group was gay.

I am of the opinion that certain aspects of human nature are both nature that became nurture. We have certain instincts and as humans gained intelligence, those instincts were built over by complex ideologies, cultures and moral frameworks.

For example, I believe racism and the varying ideologies that come from it have their basis in an instinct to immediately distrust/fear/look down upon that which looks different from the rest of your tribe.

Obviously we have gotten to a place where racism is seen as bad, a moral flaw, and we have worked to combat it. Meaning that we can overcome these instincts if pressed to do so.

Likewise, although somewhat different, viewing women as more worthy of protection and a comparative apathy towards men is also a biological instinct that grew into complex social systems.

Obviously sexual attraction to women would make a person more inclined to protect them and view them as precious. But culture can mold a mind into that viewpoint even without that attraction---remember one of those would be rapist-beaters was a gay man with no inclination towards sex with women. But he came from a very traditional culture that likely upheld these ideals of men guarding women.

Just like with my racism example, the belief that women are uniquely entitled to protection and care can be overcome, by both straight and gay men alike.

TLDR: It's more complicated than just being instincts. Instincts are the foundation of certain ideologies and behaviors, but they can be overcome. Someone nit wanting to protect women especially means that they overcame that upbringing (or never received it).

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well if this is biologically encoded for men to think this way toward other men and see women as to be protected and cared for over other men, why don't I have these tendencies myself as a male? I feel largely disgust and revulsion toward the female gender and have no desire to protect women against men. And I am attracted to men only, I am homosexual. I have been this way as long as I can remember. Am I some kind of freak of nature then?

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Evolutionarily innate tendencies do not express themselves in the same way in every individual. It's undeniable that evolution drives us to have babies, but some of us do not feel that, for whatever reason. In a similar way, as a species we have two eyes, but some are born blind. It's part of the evolutionary machinery that exceptions happen. Sometimes these are beneficial and other times they are not.

[–]connectthefreakin 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Isn't this protective instinct of powerful men but disdain towards less powerful men basically a major part of patriarchy?

[–]Enzi42 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Well...I don't believe in patriarchy theory for starters. But, as to your other point:

Isn't this protective instinct of powerful men but disdain towards less powerful men

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that. I never stated anything about powerful men having a protective instinct towards other powerful men and disdain for so called "lesser" men, quite the opposite really.

My point was that men, particularly those who abide by more traditional modes of masculinity, tend to believe that protecting women is just a part of what men are supposed to do. They have a visceral response to women being harmed or wronged and immediately step up to remedy the situation.

On the other hand entirely these men look at other men in a way that could be considered "colder" they see men as being able to care for themselves without help, they see men who are not in their immediate group as relatively meaningless and are very apathetic about helping them. They can form close bonds with men in their friend groups and families but even then they will demonstrate a "distance" that they wouldn't with women.

That's what I mean.

As I said, I don't believe in the patriarchy; I think our behaviors are shadows of instinctual relationships that helped us to survive when we were just animals. When we gained intellect, those behaviors became ideologies and cultural practices shaped by a number of circumstances.

Feminist patriarchy theory simplifies this complex progression into a black and white tale of oppression and attempts to use it as an explanation for everything. It's certainly not something I think is helpful for trying to create peace and understanding between men and women.

EDIT: Any man, regardless of his power in society can hold the viewpoints I described here. It's just that men who hold these views and wield immense social power, can obviously use their power to push the world into operating according to their beliefs.

[–]LettuceBeGrateful 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He was also the architect of Dear Colleague, which kickstarted the college campus Salem Witch Trials redux and snowballed into #MeToo.

[–]Alataire 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I remember what happened to Believe Women when Joe Biden was suddenly accused. I would say he needs a trial on that, but according to the title IX rules that his administration proposes.

We'll see how things suddenly change then.

[–]dekadoka 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Equality in name only.

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[–]Nice_Drag8683[S] 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This is a mainstream and respected media sources laying out a case that the Biden administration is neglecting to address discrimination of men and boys in the United States.

[–]AvoidPinkHairHippos 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I really appreciate this link, which I'll save as part of the ever growing body of receipts proving systemic Misandry in the West

One of my hobbies is to introduce our values and receipts in certain small sized left wing subreddits, namely male feminists

[–]bloodfuel 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Same. I have an archive at https://linktr.ee/anonymiss

[–]AvoidPinkHairHippos 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

wow ty, i'm gonna explore your archives.....this is good stuff to share, too

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