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16-year-old faces statutory rape charge for having consensual sex with girl the same age as him

Damazein

March 5, 2016
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Title 16-year-old faces statutory rape charge for having consensual sex with girl the same age as him
Author

Damazein

Upvotes 152
Comments 35
Date March 5, 2016 5:21 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4938sg/16yearold_faces_statutory_rape_charge_for_having/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/16-year-old-faces-statutory-rape-charge-for-having.954670
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[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/kevin-myers-this-romeo-and-juliet-law-is-in-fact-a-blackmailers-charter-for-a-girl-who-chooses-to-serially-seduce-boys-and-serially-complain-26826565.html

The Supreme Court last week upheld the constitutionality of the 2006 Sexual Offences Act, by which a 16-year-old can be imprisoned for having sex, but not the girl ... what a truly wonderful world we have made, wherein a virginal 16-year-old boy can be seduced by a sexually experienced 16-year-old girl, yet only he can be found guilty of a criminal offence and imprisoned. This so-called 'Romeo and Juliet' law is in fact Delilah's Law, and a blackmailer's charter for any girl who chooses to serially seduce boys and serially complain.

The Supreme Court unanimously ruled that the danger of pregnancy for teenage girls was an objective which lawmakers were entitled to take into account. ... While strict equality is the norm laid down by article 40.1, it also recognises that perfectly equal treatment is not always achievable, the Chief Justice, Mrs Justice Susan Denham, said. Article 40.1 recognises that applying the same treatment to all is not always desirable because it could lead to indirect inequality because of different circumstances in which people find themselves, she said. Some of the differences between people, particularly in relation to capacity, are inherent and most obviously between sexes. Laws prohibiting discrimination on grounds of pregnancy have justifiably been applied to women and it follows that laws such as in this case were not examples of the State holding men or women unequal before the law, she said.

But this logic can surely be inverted. If it is right to say the possibility of pregnancy is why a girl should not be guilty of a sexual offence, is it not also using the same logic to say that that same possibility should rule her out of those professions where pregnancy and its aftermath are an impediment, such as radiology, soldiering, or flying? It is an insult to common sense to maintain that pregnancy can serve only as a get-out-of jail card, and that there can be no adverse legal or occupational consequences to it.

Quite simply, there is no human or legal condition that confers only advantages but has no disadvantages: except of course in this brave new feminist world, where beneficial consequences must always accrue to women, regardless of circumstance. ... it does at least satisfy one obvious appetite that is apparently deep within the feminist agenda; the endless need to punish men.

[–]wzil 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The ideal model that feminist want for all sex. This way the man must always please the woman or else she can retroactively have him punished for raping her.

[–]Tedesche 28 points29 points30 points 10 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

No charges for the girl though. Only men can rape.

[–]Damazein[S] 26 points27 points28 points 10 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Legally speaking, girls can't be charged.

Only men.

Here in Ireland back in 2012 there was a "similar" case and it was ruled "The 'Romeo and Juliet' law is constitutionally sound because it reflects a girl's risk of pregnancy after sex...The court also said that it was not always possible to apply the same treatment to everyone, especially when it came to different genders."

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/boy-facing-sex-trial-as-court-upholds-romeo-and-juliet-law-26824861.html

So much for equality huh.

Edit; added a word or two

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

So they found gender equality is unconstitutional?

[+]SuperDanceParty -12 points-11 points-10 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Democrats will just keep getting more and more unconstitutional. This is only the beginning.

[–]BaconCatBug 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Dude, it's in Ireland. Not everything revolves around the US.

[–]SuperDanceParty -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's the same culture takeover everywhere. But yeah you're right.

[–]_throwaway16384 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ireland is mostly run by Catholicism. No allies on the right either.

[–]SuperDanceParty -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not bad. I think Denmark kept the refugees out. Good luck getting out of EU everyone

[–]McFeely_Smackup 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"The 'Romeo and Juliet' law is constitutionally sound because it reflects a girl's risk of pregnancy after sex

oh, ok then...I guess it's just a good thing that there are zero repercussions for boys in the event of unwanted pregnancy.

[–]thegrimraeper 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

what if the boy is 12 and the girl 16. can he still be charged with statutory rape?

[–]WaitingToBeBanned 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think that would be a safe assumption.

[–]Tedesche 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yay, for consistency!

[–]mwobuddy 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What Im annoyed about is the inconsistency even here. If someone was slightly or much older, depending on different posters, they'd be crying injustice for someone wanting to fuck "children". When its two "children", suddenly the injustice is that either of them is being brought to justice for fucking a "child".

Derp logic at its finest.

[–]garglemesh42 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t think he understands what is going on.

Yeah, I don't understand what's going on either.

[–]rg57 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Wouldn't it be nice if rape laws were actually about rape?

[–]mwobuddy 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Statutory rape isn't about rape, its about legal consent, which is totally a different beast.

Rape involves lack of legal consent, but it goes further. If it didn't you wouldn't get 20 years for rape and 5 years for statutory "rape".

The thing is, the lack of consent is only a legal issue. its a legal fiction. If you move around the country in the U.S. age of consent could be 18, or 16, or even 14-15 with R&J laws. You can actually get married under the age of consent and then have the sex within that marriage be legal despite being "underage".

In addition, other countries have lower age of consent.

The idea of consent is a legal fiction. The idea of coercing someone into sex is not. That should be dealt with on its own apart from age of consent laws, which are traps at best.

Foucault was against them, plenty of self described WOMAN feminists are as well.

That there even is a differentiation between statutory and normal "rape", says that we view it differently. How about 8 years old? I'd just call that rape. We don't need the age of consent laws to deal with that.

[–]trytoinjureme[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That there even is a differentiation between statutory and normal "rape", says that we view it differently. How about 8 years old? I'd just call that rape. We don't need the age of consent laws to deal with that.

Even if the 8-year-old wanted to do it? You could just as easily say "How about 15 year old? That's just rape." Most people don't think 15 year olds are competent enough to consent to sex just like you evidently don't think 8 year olds are. So if you're going to continue to treat all sex as rape if a person's age is too low, I'm not sure why you would want to do away with age of consent laws.

[–]TheScamr -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Quiet, Orwell, there are 5 rapes.

[–]LedZeppelin1602 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Disgusting inequality.

[–]TheDude41 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Smooth_Talkin_Fucker 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I like how a bit of class division was thrown into the article too: the boy is in State care. The girls family is a ‘decent family'. But regardless of that, the fact that only the boy can be charged is ridiculous. Not that there should be any charge against either party in this case in my opinion.

[–]moorghost 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

just common law things.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

She could have been older than him, and he still would have been charged.

[–]locks_are_paranoid 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Many states in the US have similar laws, they're just rarely used if both people are the same age. I know California has a law that if two peopel under 18 have sex, they'll be charged with statutory rape.

[–]LilyBentley 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Through the grapevine I know a couple that is now married and filmed themselves at sixteen. They were charged with child porn... Of themselves. No distribution.

[–]locks_are_paranoid 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why people hate the government. Even though that law is technically on the books, an ethical prosecutor would never press charges. This is why people hate prosecutors.

[–]WaitingToBeBanned 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Neat.

[–]mwobuddy -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thats because they victimized themselves since they didn't know better /s

This is what Foucault was warning us about. The society of dangers, the boogeyman, the trap of consent for sexual things.

[–]LilyBentley 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If Foucault had writings on such things I am afraid I don't know him for anything other than his pendulum...

[–]Tmomp 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

State-sponsored institutionalized sexism, hurting men and boys.

[–]youhatetruth 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They REALLY do mean it, "All heterosexual intercourse is the rape of a woman."

[–]Aarondhp24 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Comments have been disabled as a case is still before the courts.

Or because you don't want the public outcry is that it? That's it I'm done. I'm celibate for the rest of my fucking life.

[–]mwobuddy -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Throw the book at this sick young man having sex with underage children! Right guys?? /s

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