Circumcision is Child Abuse and Torture

Wavally · 2016-12-14T02:04:36+00:00

When my son was born I questioned the reasoning for the doctor's suggesting (almost demanding) he be circumcised. They only said it was customary and that it was easier to clean. When I said it didn't seem like a good idea, they seemed taken aback. They made me feel like an idiot for not wanting to traumatize my boy and stressed the importance of doing the procedure as soon as possible. The pressure put on new parents to cut away part of the male genitalia is very disturbing. It's genital mutilation, plain and simple. I think it's seen in the medical field as a good way for new docs to practice a procedure with relatively little risk. What is the purpose if not religion?

TommyK154 · 2016-12-14T08:10:55+00:00

The funny thing is when this happens to genitalia mutilation happens to women everyone gets up in arms and the UN loses its mind over the inhumanity. But no one gives a fuck when it happens to men coz it's "normal". There's no good reason to even do this. Wash your dick more than once a month and there's no problems. Not having a natural piece of your dick cut off because thousands of years ago some dudes made up a bunch of stories and said you should cut your children's forskin off to show g-d you love him shouldn't be the "weird" option

Thinkmoreaboutit · 2016-12-14T14:35:28+00:00

Sure are a lot of people supporting baby torture in here.

0908908909089 · 2016-12-13T18:01:38+00:00

That we even need to specify this or have a discussion around it says everything.

What would we do if it were girls? Are we a honest culture?

When they say "clean" they mean "sexually pure." Anyone who tells you it is easier to clean is a lying low-level intelligence (easier than the normal penis you would have cleaned had yours not been mutilated, but which you never had so can't compare with any honesty? so it's easier to clean, according to you, than something you by definition never experienced? Is there anything else you'd like to lie about while you have the floor?). Even Rabbis will admit they mean "clean" as in sexually pure. It's no different than cutting off a clit. That woman will be sexually clean and will no longer seek sex (pure). What's what clean is. How is this going over your heads? Codefied language. It's politics, it's feminism, it's everything. Dogwhistling. Denotative vs. connotative.

Why was the other post hidden? What the fuck... It's incredibly hard to respect people who support this under the guise of my heritage, when most of them were probably converts and are connected to the heritage through name only.

factsnotfeelings · 2016-12-13T20:02:42+00:00

We need to tell circumcised men that nobody blames them for the fact that they were circumcised, their parents did so on incorrect medical advice from criminal doctors.

DerangedGinger · 2016-12-13T15:27:13+00:00

This is an issue that needs a lot more attention. Routine circumcision is a barbaric practice. It's also too commonly proposed as a solution to problems that either aren't problems due to the person's age, or problems that should first be tackled with steroid creams. Even in those cases there are alternative procedures that don't require complete removal of the foreskin.

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jspittman · 2017-01-16T22:28:44+00:00

Circumcision is torture. Irrefutable.

Ovedya2011 · 2016-12-13T15:37:12+00:00

Torture. Really?

TommyK154 · 2016-12-14T00:55:33+00:00

I know I'm going to get downvoted like absolute fucking crazy for this, but I don't care. This entire article is argumentum ad passiones, otherwise known as the appeal to emotion fallacy.

The main argument boils down to "the kid doesn't like it or understands what's going on, so therefore this is morally wrong." The fatal flaw in this reasoning is that I could easily apply this argument to any kind of life-saving procedure that they sometimes perform on newborns (or even young kids, for that matter). Should doctors not be allowed to fix ruptured intestines or partially collapsed lungs on the same basis of reasoning?

And the pictures. Oh my god the pictures. It's like saying "Here look at this photo of someone having their dislocated arm shoved back into the socket! They're in so much pain! Clearly this is evil torture and wrong." Or "Look at this this photo of really gross heart surgery. Doesn't that just seem wrong?"

Using words like "torture" is intellectually dishonest. It's extremely hyperbolic and inaccurate. I'm guessing (or at least I hope) that people realize that torture is not the actual intent of the procedure. Use accurate language please.

Let's take a look at the list of supposed "symptoms of psychological damage" shall we? First of all, I and many people I know are circumcised and we have none of these problems. Can anyone honestly say that they've experienced this? Seriously, I want to know because that seems highly unusual to me. If this were real, a LOT more people would be experiencing this problems instead of literally no one ever hearing about this. Secondly, how can we really know that these issues are related to circumcision? There's so many, and they're so vague, and they could easily be caused by lots of factors. Correlation is not causation.

Now I'm about to dive into personal anecdotal evidence territory here. And before you get mad, remember that anecdotal evidence is useful to disprove an absolute statement.

I have zero problems in the department of sexual pleasure. In fact, if anything, I finish way to quickly (like a couple minutes). I've never had sex (and obviously sex feels even better) so this is something I really stress about. I worry that I'll embarrass myself really badly and not give her a chance to finish. There are times that I wish I could be less sensitive. I've talked to my male friends and they've confirmed this viewpoint.

And sorry, the facts indicate it prevents all sorts of ailments and infections.

Thinkmoreaboutit · 2016-12-13T20:16:05+00:00

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bakedpotato486 · 2016-12-14T02:44:02+00:00

I have been an advocate for male DV victims and opponent of misandry since 1990s. But neither I (Jew), nor millions of religious Jews, nor 1.7 billion Muslims will tolerate an attack on our Religious Freedom.

Circumcision also greatly reduces HIV transmission.

Title	Circumcision is Child Abuse and Torture
Author	Thinkmoreaboutit
Upvotes	185
Comments	166
Date	December 13, 2016 2:44 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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