A Terrible Place to be a Woman

disposable_human · 2011-05-03T18:57:46+00:00

I was privileged to attend one of the few American universities with a proactive attitude towards assault.

Wow, I didn't know a college campus that took a serious interest in rape existed! Finally!

FreddyDeus · 2011-05-03T20:18:23+00:00

This fucking pisses me off.

Just to get this out of the way, fucking a girl who is unconscious and without her consent is rape. And it's wrong. There.

First, this actually is her lifestyle, and the tone and content of her side of the conversation suggests such. Once is a mistake - all the time is a choice.

Second, she doesn't see this as a big deal. She openly admits that she fucks around without offering or expecting emotional involvement, and is plainly nowhere near as damaged or scarred by these alleged rapes as the author demands her to be. The author has no right to demand that she feel differently about her experiences, whatever they may be. She places little to no emotional value in sex or physical intimacy, so quite obviously she isn't devastated by a guy fucking her when she's pissed.

Third, she was pissed when relating these 'events' to the author, but the author takes everything at face value, because... you know... pissed people never exaggerate, become clumsy with their language, or get confused. Alcohol is renowned for sharpening one's intellectual reflexes, so obviously every word of hers on this particular evening was the crystal-clear truth.

Fourth, there is a vast difference between 'blacking out' (by this the author is obviously assuming she means being unconscious) and not having a recollection of certain events. She could have been perfectly conscious, and perhaps even lucid in her behaviour, without recalling much the day after, when her hangover kicks in. Of course though, this must be rape.

Finally, and this is one of the reasons much of this article doesn't ring true, is this: Is a boy, who is probably also pissed, likely to be considerate enough to fold up every single item of the girl's clothing before 'raping' her? Wouldn't he be wanting to get it over with before she came 'round? When I'm about to fuck a girl, I don't bother folding up my own damn clothes, let alone hers. Jesus.

Roulette88888 · 2011-05-03T15:01:24+00:00

I notice the blog misses out the fact she made a willing choice to participate in that lifestyle. I don't advocate rape, far from it, but if both people are drunk (as was possibly the case, the article is (deliberately?) vague on this point) then surely either both are raped, or neither are.

But of course, women aren't responsible or culpable for their bad decisions. Men are.

Speedkillsvr4rt · 2011-05-03T17:01:31+00:00

So if a girl forgets I had sex with her, I'm a rapist? She'hooking up with guys to get back at her ex because she was sleeping around, and she's the victim

" a huge, impersonal school churning out vile frat boys and maladjusted women who are so in need of a safe outlet that they describe painfully vivid memories of assault to strangers in a hotel bar."

This sensationalist bullshit with no basis in fact pretty much sums up the whole article for me. This girl sleeps around, and doesn't care about the consequences, and you blame men for it? How would you feel if guys started charging girls with rape when they wake up next to them and don't remember what happened. The chances she raped him is just as good as the chances he raped her. Of course, it's far more likely they both got drunk and did something they both regret. (after all, who would want to sleep with a girl like that)

This girl made the decision to sleep around, and is paying the consequences. If she is a victim it is only to her own actions. Please stop blaming men for creating sluts, sluts create themselves. Now if you will excuse me, I'm going to go to my university, and try to wade though the sea of self created sluts, and try to find the girls that arnt. Wish me luck, I might get charged with rape for looking at a slut the wrong way. But I guess that's my fault because I created them right?

To me, this girl made her decisions. She did exactly what she wanted to do.

solinv · 2011-05-04T02:04:49+00:00

Why can people not accept that alcohol does not absolve you of responsibility for your decisions? Being blackout drunk is not a legitimate excuse for driving and getting in an accident? why would it be an excuse for anything else?

Drunk people are just as responsible for their decisions as sober people. Passed out is a different story, but if your condition isn't serious enough that it is not a legitimate defense against a felony, why should you be able to say you weren't able to consent to sex?

Lizzie24601 · 2011-05-03T19:17:30+00:00

This article, when I first read it, seemed to me like it was attempting not so much to talk about rape, but rather issues of gender identity and conforming to gender stereotypes. For that I gave it an upvote.

KronktheKronk · 2011-05-03T16:07:47+00:00

Maybe the problem is that this chick is ok with black out sex because she's a slut, and not because she hasn't been brainwashed into thinking it's rape.

It's not like she's not ok with every other kind of sex (from what I pick up in the story, at least).

kragshot · 2011-05-03T21:28:10+00:00

The problem with this whole thing is more times than not, the guys that she's sleeping with are more than likely as drunk as she is. So how is that rape, if they are both drunk and both are engaging in sexual behavior? The way the article read, these aren't cases of predators who are sitting in the cut waiting for her to be too drunk to say "no." These are all people just like her who are all going out partying, and by the end of the evening, they are all trashed beyond any realm of efficient cognitive reasoning.

But again, it's only the males who are being vilified in this article; it's only the men, even though they are as drunk as the female, who have to bear the burden of responsibility for any sexual encounter.

I've had drunken girls walk up to me in bars and hit on me. In one case one girl walked up to me, grabbed my cock, and said; "Hey stud, I need a good, hard, man for a good, hard, fuck; you willing to step up?" What should I have done in that case? Should I have took her at her word or should I have given her a breathalyzer test or had her walk the line to see if she was too drunk to fuck? For the record, I said no simply because one, I don't like drunken sex and two, I've been falsely accused of rape once in my life and that's enough.

If you have a drunk couple and the man wakes up first, can he charge the woman with rape because he didn't remember saying "yes" to having sex with her? Of course not...because heaven forbid that any man would ever turn down sex with a woman, right?

As long as blogs and pundits like the article author continue to give women who drink in excess a waiver for their responsibility for their behavior in these situations, there will never be a reasonable resolution to this dilemma and men will continue to be made into "unwilling rapists," in order to protect the virtue of some woman who would rather blame a man for her problems than accept the responsibility for her behavior due to her excessive drinking and sexuality while drunk.

(How's that for a run-on sentence?)

In cases where both parties have been drinking to excess, there are no rapists, except in the eyes of alleged feminist pundits who seek to find fault with men at every turn and advocate women's wrong behavior as "a blow against male oppression."

God help me...I need a drink.

Wingzero · 2011-05-03T20:10:32+00:00

I'm not condoning anything, but just saying that when both parties are very drunk, and at least one of them black-out drunk... What can you expect?

As someone who is opting out of college life, I wouldn't know know anything about it really, but from my impressions it seems like the people who have this kind of shit happening to them have it happen because that's the people they're with. They're with the people who party to get wasted and fuck somebody. I'm not friends with anybody who would ever think of anything like that, and I don't even have friends who have any friends who would do that sort of thing. So these people must just be picking the wrong crowds or something.

Sarstan · 2011-05-03T21:59:43+00:00

A woman goes out and gets drunk. A man says a few nice words to her. Long story short, she agrees to sex, while drunk, they go to his/her place, fuck. The next morning, she doesn't remember. SHE WAS RAPED!

Is that really fair to the man, though? Now he has to make sure to do a sobriety test on every woman and get a written statement that she's sober and consents before any alcohol is involved just to save his ass.

We're so intent on blaming men that we ignore a woman making a bad decision and/or even accepting and even enjoying what happens and realizing she's at fault if there's a problem. Consider over half of all "rapes" involve the victim consuming alcohol (most of those including the attacker drinking as well), is there really still as many rapes as we claim or just tipsy women, happy to fuck, until they wake up, sober up, and can't stand the idea of taking responsibility.

This might explain why while my city is high in violent crimes compared to the rest of the state (and the US in general for that matter), rapes are about half per 10,000 of those in larger, less crime ridden cities.

plumeria · 2011-05-03T16:30:36+00:00

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Title	A Terrible Place to be a Woman
Author	thetrollking
Upvotes	18
Comments	71
Date	May 3, 2011 12:24 PM UTC (15 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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