'De-Blackifying' a controversial post...

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Copied from rightsbot since the OP was deleted:

A while back the mods banned a post, because they contend it is 'about the Black family and politics, not Mens Rights'. I beg to differ.

It's not a secret that the destruction of the family is one of the main concerns of the mens movement...from Divorce reform to Parental Rights.

It's also no secret that the biggest obstacle in the way is the simple fact that Government has taken sides, and has implemented all manner of 'reforms' to 'correct imbalance'...

Well, this article explains the ACTUAL effect of these 'great and caring Social Programs'. It's been posted before in the original context...here it is using 'de-blackified' words...

In 1940, when southerners were politically impotent, their poverty rate was 87 percent. By 1960, before southerners achieved much political power, it fell to 47 percent. During that interval, in various skilled trades, the incomes of southerners relative to northerners more than doubled. Before 1960, there were no anti-poverty programs or affirmative action programs that can explain an economic advance that exceeded any other 20-year interval, though there were Truman and Eisenhower administration attacks on some of the gross forms of latitudinal discrimination. A significant chunk of southern progress occurred simply through migration from rural areas to cities. Between 1960 and 1980, southern poverty fell roughly 17 percent and continued falling to today's 24 percent. The decline in southern poverty between 1960 and 1980 might have simply been a continuation of a trend starting much earlier and cannot be attributed solely to the 1964 Civil Rights Act, President Johnson's War on Poverty, or Richard Nixon's affirmative action. Most of the major problems that many southern people face are not amendable to political solutions and government anti-poverty programs. Let's look at some. In 1940, 86 percent of southern children were born inside marriage, and the illegitimacy rate among southerns was about 15 percent. Today, only 35 percent of southern children are born inside marriage, and the illegitimacy rate hovers around 70 percent. Today's breakdown of the southern family is unprecedented. It began in the 1960s with the War on Poverty and the harebrained ideas of the welfare state. In the mid-1960s, Daniel Moynihan sounded the alarm about the breakdown in the southern family in his book "The Southern Family: The Case for National Action." At that time southern illegitimacy was 26 percent. Moynihan said, "(A)t the heart of the deterioration of the fabric of the Southern society is the deterioration of the Southern family." He added, "The steady expansion of welfare programs can be taken as a measure of the steady disintegration of the Southern family structure over the past generation in the United States." Moynihan's observations were greeted with charges of racism and blaming the victim. By the way, the welfare state is an equal opportunity family destroyer. Today's illegitimacy rate among northerners, at nearly 30 percent, is higher than it was among southerns in the 1960s when Moynihan sounded the alarm. In Sweden, the mother of the welfare state, illegitimacy is 54 percent. southerns hold high offices and dominate the political arena in Philadelphia, Detroit, Baltimore, Washington, D.C., New Orleans and other cities. Yet these are the very cities with the nation's most rotten schools, highest crime rates, high illegitimacy rates, weak family structure and other forms of social pathology. I am not saying that southerns having political power is the cause of these problems. What I am saying is that the solution to most of the major problems that confront many southern people won't be found in the political arena and by electing more southerns to high office. In fact, politicians tend to be hostile to some of the solutions to problems many southerns face such as school choice as a means to strengthen education, the elimination of oppressive licensing restrictions for various occupations, and supportive of job-destroying labor legislation such as minimum wage laws. The bottom line is there is very little evidence anywhere on the planet that political power is a necessary condition for economic power.

Now, I would like an explanation from the mods...ALL of them...as to why this article doesn't talk about 'mens issues' and instead these are 'black issues'. Are you contending that NONE of this is also happening to 'real MRAs' (ie, white ones) like yourself?

I'm truly disgusted with the behaviour of this group, and I doubt I'm the only one. So, if you're not a bunch of smug cunts 'inviting' dissent to go elsewhere...just what the fuck are you assholes trying to do here?

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This article is related to men's rights, because it partially explains the disintegration of african american families due to the excessive welfare by big government, and excessive economic/family regulations.

The black communities were among the first to disintegrate because of feminist policies which corrupted the institution of marriage. And this proces was funded and supported by the government.

Walter E. Williams:

the welfare state is an equal opportunity family destroyer. Today's illegitimacy rate among whites, at nearly 30 percent, is higher than it was among blacks in the 1960s when Moynihan sounded the alarm. In Sweden, the mother of the welfare state, illegitimacy is 54 percent.

Walter E. Williams is a well respected economics professor and libertarian so he definately deserves attention.

I understand why some might consider it off-topic, but this article shouldn't be removed in my opinion.

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No, I didn't misread it. You clearly stated your justification for removing the post as:

We've had to remove a few submissions which I feel are not only unrelated to r/MensRights, but promote white nationalist ideas.

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I'm not happy to allow this organised group of racists to game our subreddit and piggyback off the goodwill we've been working hard to foster.

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I won't hold it against you for sharing your point here. :) But I will thank you.

It is actually both simultaneously, no matter what is done. I still get a lot of complaints about being ineffectual due to insufficient moderation, and I still get a lot of complaints about too much moderation. I understand that is part of the job.

I take a bit of an objection to being told that I am doing it because it disagrees with my ideology. I recognize my bias and I try hard not to let it interfere with my moderation. I can't guarantee it (no one can), but I am open to criticism, and I have admitted wrong and reversed decisions in the past. A lot of what I am being accused of here is based on one or a limited sample of my actions/statements, in contradiction with others. I do a lot of moderation, and so I don't keep track of everything I do to prove myself when someone decides to challenge me - and I don't feel that Reddit makes it possible to do that.

People want more transparent moderation? We discussed that, actually. The problem really comes down to trolls - the more insight the trolls have to our moderation, the more ways they find to get around it. Case in point - I was spam filtering the Manhood Academy guy for about a year and a half, without banning his accounts. It took him days, each time, to catch on, and so he wasn't much of a problem. But we decided to start banning him, which sends him a message each time, and he has tripled his activities compared to what he used to do. We convinced the admins to add his website to the auto-shadow-ban filter (they did), and so he starts using Tumblr/Youtube links instead. The more spammers/trolls know about your system, the more they abuse it.

It sucks. It really, really sucks. Honestly, I would have no problem with much more transparent moderation if I could somehow find a way to avoid the trolls (SRS included, spammers included).

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You mean the mods agree with you, no? You disagree with 'conservative' values, so you view 'conservatives' as invading the MRM.

When the OPPOSITE is the truth. Look at nearly any longtime MRA, and they will have nothing but contempt for 'social programs' based on anything but need. Look at any of these social programs, and you will see they are based on Identity Politics (ie, feminism/Marxism)...politics which NEED to be questioned. Politics that gave rise to this movement in the first fucking place.

Politics that the mods are PUSHING on the rest of us.

I don't give a fuck what your political leanings are any more than anyone else here....but I DO give a fuck when you tell me that ONLY your political leanings are acceptable, or 'real' MRA thinking.

Because if I'm not mistaken, not fucking one of them participates in the MRM outside of this reddit, and none of the mods have EVER had a presence in the MRM 'mainstream'.

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Some people here - the people who are pushing articles like this one, the people who are vilifying the moderators - have explicitly stated that not only should women not have the vote, a lot of men shouldn't either. One of them even moderates /r/monarchism.

So fucking what? Why is it so EVIL to say that kind of thing? Is the very topic off limits, because YOU don't see merit in discussion?

A long time ago, I and a few other people said 'fuck it, being nice gets nowhere'. You know what happened?

As the Mens Movement said unpopular things more and more, people began to feel free to say things similar, or to publicly agree.

By saying unpopular things, the Mens Movement has given people freedom to object to an oppressive political climate.

And you and your cohort want to shove men right back into that box.

And I will fight you tooth and nail every step of the way.,

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So fucking what? Why is it so EVIL to say that kind of thing? Is the very topic off limits, because YOU don't see merit in discussion?

You weren't talking about whether or not it was evil. You asked about the "narrow totalitarian agenda". You don't think taking away democracy is totalitarian?

The topic is not off limits elsewhere, but it is off-topic here because the advocacy of totalitarianism is not men's rights. In fact, it's the opposite. How is depriving some men of their vote an aid to men's rights? It's not - it's an aid to the extreme political ideology that these particular people are trying to push here. That's what Sigil1 means when he says people are trying to subvert this subreddit. This subreddit is not for talking about how good it would be if we could take away people's votes. That's not men's rights in any way, shape or form.

And you and your cohort want to shove men right back into that box.

I'm not one of the people advocating stripping some men of their right to vote. I'm not one of the people promoting the reintroduction of the traditional gender roles that have been so harmful to men. You want to see who is trying to put men in a box, look at your buddies.

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You weren't talking about whether or not it was evil. You asked about the "narrow totalitarian agenda". You don't think taking away democracy is totalitarian?

Considering the general disenfranchisement of men, their withdrawal from the political process (which of course, CAN'T be ascribed to politicians never addressing anything men care about...Hell no, that wouldn't be Progressive...it HAS to be becausee men deserve it), what do you prefer, limited democracy, or tyranny of the majority (a specific threat that was defended against in the Constitution, until Lefty judges decided it was a 'living document' and subverted nearly all of it.

And frankly, coming from an American your defense of 'democracy' is a fucking joke, considering the Electoral College are the ONLY votes that actually count. YOU DON'T LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY IF YOU ARE AMAERICAN, YOU LIVE IN A REPUBLIC.

And most times I've seen this discussed, it's been presented as 'one household, one vote', which is NO different as a concept than the entire American 'Democracy'. So, where's the 'totalitarianism' in that?

Or, are you ASSUMING that every household with a male will vote 'male'? If so, you're a bigot.

That's not men's rights in any way, shape or form.

You have a completely inadequate view of what Mens Rights are. It's not 'fighting for equality'...that's your leftist view coming in and trying to make this movement something it is not. This is a movement to END DISCRIMINATION AGAINST MEn, and that is all it is.

And frankly, if you shitheads want to make it into something else, then YOU can start another reddit for it...this one was here LONG before you were.

I'm not one of the people advocating stripping some men of their right to vote.

No, you dumb fuck, you're the one trying to shame them back into silence and compliance.

I'm not one of the people promoting the reintroduction of the traditional gender roles that have been so harmful to men.

I'm not a big believer in them either, so what of it? Are you contending your views are automatically better than theirs? Are you contending those views aren't 'proper MRA thinking'? Who gave YOU the right to decide that for everyone else?

You and your ideological allies are STIFLING IDEAS, not us.

You want to see who is trying to put men in a box, look at your buddies.

My 'buddies' are arguing the same point...YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDE FOR US. Your defense of the practice is nothing short of elitism.

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what do you prefer, limited democracy, or tyranny of the majority

It doesn't matter what I prefer, what matters is that this isn't a men's rights issue. It's a talking point the ultraconservatives try to push in here to try to advertise their politics. Taking votes away from some men is not an MRA viewpoint regardless of whether you think the idea has merits. If you want to discuss that, subscribe to one of their subreddits, such as /r/monarchism.

And frankly, coming from an American

I'm not American.

Or, are you ASSUMING that every household with a male will vote 'male'? If so, you're a bigot.

I've said nothing of the sort. You are doing this a lot in this thread. You are inventing nonsense and putting that nonsense in people's mouths.

You have a completely inadequate view of what Mens Rights are. It's not 'fighting for equality'.

But it is protecting men's rights, and taking the right to vote away from some men is not pro men's rights.

And frankly, if you shitheads want to make it into something else, then YOU can start another reddit for it...this one was here LONG before you were.

That's not true. I've been commenting here practically since the subreddit began. Take a look at my account age - it's four years. Take a look at the subreddit age - it's four years. Your account, I couldn't help but notice, is half the age of mine. You're the newbie.

Regardless of how long each of us have been commenting here though, neither of us are moderators here. On Reddit, the moderators call the shots. If you don't like it, you start your own subreddit. The Reddit admins have made that very clear. That's the way Reddit works. Don't like it? Don't use Reddit.

My 'buddies' are arguing the same point...YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDE FOR US. Your defense of the practice is nothing short of elitism.

Again, I've got to tell you to take a closer look at your buddies. That description - taking away the right to decide and elitism are things they advocate.

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It doesn't matter what I prefer, what matters is that this isn't a men's rights issue.

Says who? The Lefties?

t's a talking point the ultraconservatives try to push in here to try to advertise their politics.

And censorship...literally remopving 'unwanted' thought, ISN'T pushing an agenda? Oh...'that's different'. Just like your ideological cousins, the feminists.

Taking votes away from some men is not an MRA viewpoint regardless of whether you think the idea has merits. If you want to discuss that, subscribe to one of their subreddits, such as /r/monarchism.

How can we know that unless we actually debate the ideas? Some of us don't want to have to take your word for it, and it's not like there's limited space on the internet.

no, you simply don't want people to see the posts, because you're afraid we will 'look bad'. That's ALL it is.

But it is protecting men's rights, and taking the right to vote away from some men is not pro men's rights.

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW? Seriously, you haven't even got an idea of what the argument is...yet you KNOW it's wrong. And why?

Because it conflicts with YOUR politics....that's why.

That's not true. I've been commenting here practically since the subreddit began. Take a look at my account age - it's four years. Take a look at the subreddit age - it's four years. Your account, I couldn't help but notice, is half the age of mine. You're the newbie.

Hmm, I can point to posts of mine on Glenn Sacks' site, and BBS's, from almost 2 decades ago, showing my activism and awareness of mens issues.

Where do you write for again? What is your blog address? Can we see some examples of YOUR resume? So you've been here four years...since Ignatius has too, and he knows next to nothing about the MRM, I think the same standards apply to you...

Regardless of how long each of us have been commenting here though, neither of us are moderators here. On Reddit, the moderators call the shots. If you don't like it, you start your own subreddit. The Reddit admins have made that very clear. That's the way Reddit works. Don't like it? Don't use Reddit.

Sure, if you don't mind betraying thousands of users, and engaging in underhanded tactics like stealth censorship.

These guys are on such a huge power trip, they would rather split this movement than admit they don't know everything. And you're such a kiss-ass, you can't help but defend them.

Again, I've got to tell you to take a closer look at your buddies. That description - taking away the right to decide and elitism are things they advocate.

Guilt by association much? A shit ton of the things out of your mouth are also said by RadFems...does that mean I can blame you for them?

Grow the fuck up.

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t's a talking point the ultraconservatives try to push in here to try to advertise their politics. And censorship...literally remopving 'unwanted' thought, ISN'T pushing an agenda?

It's pushing the agenda of "It has to be men's rights to go in /r/MensRights because /r/MensRights is not your recruiting board for your kooky politics".

Taking votes away from some men is not an MRA viewpoint regardless of whether you think the idea has merits. If you want to discuss that, subscribe to one of their subreddits, such as /r/monarchism.

How can we know that unless we actually debate the ideas?

If you can't see how taking the right to vote away from some men is not an MRA viewpoint, then you are truly beyond help.

taking the right to vote away from some men is not pro men's rights.

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW? Seriously, you haven't even got an idea of what the argument is...yet you KNOW it's wrong. And why?

Okay, take some time away from the computer, calm down, then take a look at this exchange tomorrow. Hopefully, you'll feel embarrassed that your rage got the better of you. If you still can't figure it out, you probably shouldn't come back because you really aren't going to get a positive response.

And frankly, if you shitheads want to make it into something else, then YOU can start another reddit for it...this one was here LONG before you were.

That's not true. I've been commenting here practically since the subreddit began. Take a look at my account age - it's four years. Take a look at the subreddit age - it's four years. Your account, I couldn't help but notice, is half the age of mine. You're the newbie.

Hmm, I can point to posts of mine on Glenn Sacks' site, and BBS's, from almost 2 decades ago, showing my activism and awareness of mens issues.

What relevance does that have to who was commenting in this subreddit first? This subreddit was going years before you turned up and you want to evict the moderators instead of starting your own, and you're calling people who were here before you newcomers. Nope.

Regardless of how long each of us have been commenting here though, neither of us are moderators here. On Reddit, the moderators call the shots. If you don't like it, you start your own subreddit. The Reddit admins have made that very clear. That's the way Reddit works. Don't like it? Don't use Reddit.

Sure, if you don't mind betraying thousands of users, and engaging in underhanded tactics like stealth censorship.

It's funny how when I point out that taking the vote away from men is anti-men's rights, you immediately vilify me for trying to foist my opinion on people, but when you claim that the moderators are "betraying thousands of users", what, your opinion is gospel?

Again, I've got to tell you to take a closer look at your buddies. That description - taking away the right to decide and elitism are things they advocate.

Guilt by association much?

I'm pointing out that if you have a problem with taking away the right to decide and elitism, you should really have a problem with the guys who want to take the vote away from men.

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Wait, you mean you've never seen your mates advocate this? Oh, that's easily cleared up:

Demonspawn:

Suggesting that the government works better without the women's vote is not misogyny. It's an analysis of the facts and the consequences of allowing women's suffrage.

Mayonesa:

Maybe too many men were allowed the vote, and the founding fathers were onto something with that landed males over 30 requirement.

Demonspawn:

Amen with that. The original vote was simply a thinly spread oligarchy. Wide enough that they didn't become abusive with their power to exploit the poor, small enough that they didn't abuse their power to steal from the rich.

Mayonesa again:

It's almost like we need another qualification, like inherent ability to make leadership decisions.

/r/monarchism

They literally think that the right to vote should be taken away from people. Yes, including men. They are actively, literally pushing to remove men's rights. Do you really think that is a legitimate part of the MRM and not just them trying to sell their kooky politics?

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Suggesting that the government works better without the women's vote is not misogyny. It's an analysis of the facts and the consequences of allowing women's suffrage.

And where exactly is this wrong, since the women's vote led, fairly directly, to where we are now. I wouldn't say I agree women shouldn't be able to vote, but then again women have had the vote in the past. And every civilization they got it in did the same fucking things.

So, maybe examining WHY this happens, and exploring viable options, might prove useful. But instead, we have closed minded asshats like you CENSORING posts instead.

Maybe too many men were allowed the vote, and the founding fathers were onto something with that landed males over 30 requirement.

Suggesting someone with something to lose might be more careful what they wish for...what astounding bias!

Amen with that. The original vote was simply a thinly spread oligarchy. Wide enough that they didn't become abusive with their power to exploit the poor, small enough that they didn't abuse their power to steal from the rich.

Of course, no evidence he's wrong about this, or even a contention....I'm just supposed to hate him for saying it? God you people are pathetic.

They literally think that the right to vote should be taken away from people. Yes, including men. They are actively, literally pushing to remove men's rights. Do you really think that is a legitimate part of the MRM and not just them trying to sell their kooky politics?

From where I sit, they are bringing up controversial issues that CANNOT BE DEALT WITH IN A POLITICALLY CORRECT WAY. And you are demanding they be politically correct.

All I see here is 'see how shocking this guy's opinions are? We need to ban this kind of thinking outright!"

Totalitarian bullshit, and you should be fucking ashamed of yourself.

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The mods will poll the users, generally

History shows otherwise. When the users dissent, you claim their opinions are irrelevant.

Remember when folks asked for some balance on the mod team, instead of you just promoting radical Left-leaning people like yourself?

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/q79u3/politics_and_mens_rights/c3vpidn

Your response was to falsely claim the following:

Making so many different accounts to argue with so that you guys seem like there are more people who support the same views eh? I bet there are 4-5 actual people who believe this shit and then each of you have like 2-3 accounts just to make it seem like there are more.

And it seems their concerns were valid, as you and the mods continue to push your shared political agenda and censor articles that don't agree with it.

You don't ever really poll the users on important topics. You just make a META thread that few people read and pay attention to the input you desire while ignoring the rest, then make the decision you were going to make in the first place.

edit: Thread removed, I guess you don't actually want to poll the users on this topic, huh? Lies and more lies. "Take it to the META where I can control the dialogue", right?

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Feminism is a generic term that can be applied to a large range of things. It is a term to apply to a large range of movements, so it is the least distinct. As such, discussion of the term "feminism" requires description of multiple topics.

Since I believe that all people are capable of intelligent thought, and that all beings with sentience deserve self determination and the ability to get involved in the decisions of the community, I feel that voting rights for women are more beneficial, and therefore that aspect of feminism was a good thing. I feel similarly about the original fight for equal employment rights and the goal to end workplace discrimination.

But I feel that things have gone too far. Fights for equality of outcome (I believe in equality of opportunity), fights against the rights of men in terms of legal rights, parental rights, etc... are all harming men. The original fight for the rights of women was fine, because they affected women - the current fights are not fights for the rights of women but fights for laws that harm men (and women, in some cases).

Feminism went from a fight for rights that I agree with to a fight for power, and it abuses the power of victimhood to accomplish it. It is anti-scientific, since it manipulates study data, and it is anti-equality, since it often fights to have men's rights reduced over women's rights (instead of equal).

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The question of voting rights for women is not the question of feminism. Killing people is bad but that doesn't mean Christianity or etc other religions that say it is bad are good. A good dead does not fix a broken idea. The idea of feminism, all it's arguments all it's theories are destructively wrong. 'Women voting good means feminism good' makes no more sense than 'poor being bad means communism good'. If a Muslim gives a homeless man some money that doesn't mean Mohammed actually existed etc. Further women voting doesn't mean government serves them any more, nowadays most people don't vote and the government goes to war (England) despite the majority of the population being against it. Many countries have given women the vote despite no feminism being present, and I'm sure England would have too - just as slavery was abolished with no special movement to do so in England.

An idea has to be judged on it's accuracy, not it's kind promises. Suffering is not caused by cackling villains but by ignorance and inaccuracy.

The forum is becoming less 'angryharry' and more 'whataboutthemen' / 'facebook' (male inclusive feminism), you might not like 'angryharry' content but I see no need to delete it - because when you do so it looks like you are the reason for this change. And if you are attempting to enact this change just announcing it would be the most respectful things to do for the members.

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I have tried to have discussions with you and others. You don't relent until you get your way. Therefore dialogue is impossible. The only thing I have left at my disposal is dismissal.

I got an idea, how about answering questions honestly for a change? How about taking into account that some MRAs vehemently disagree with the Left? How about shutting the fuck up instead of attacking MRAs you disagree with (and if you can't do that, remove yourself from the mod list immediately).

You haven't done or said a fucking thing in good faith here. You 'made your decision' and refuse to hear why you might be wrong. You are arrogant and corrupt, and you need to be removed from this subreddit.

If coming to a compromise or convincing us of your point of view was your goal, you would behave differently.

Notice all those bits in the beginning where I was being reasonable...and you mods started in with your smug 'go elsewhere then' cuntiness?

yeah, me too.

But when you go on the attack, you put yourself against people on the defense. Either you can overcome with force, or you can give up. Currently, you are clearly trying to overcome with force.

I'm trying to rectify a serious fucking problem. You're OK with it, because YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. I don't give a fuck WHAT your politics are. I DO give a fuck when you start FORCING your views on me though.

This is not YOUR reddit...it belongs to 40 odd thousand MRAs...which, I might add, you are not yourself.

But you 'know better' than us...which is why you censor.

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southerns hold high offices and dominate the political arena in [...] Detroit

Well no one told Detroiters this. I have not seen a single southerner in office here. Most of them are African-American Detroit natives.

Yet these are the very cities with the nation's most rotten schools, highest crime rates,

You know why that's so here? Race rebellions. Black people had NO money in the 1960's and before (with a poverty rate of 30%, and an effective rate of much higher still don't), were repeatedly denied loans, red-lined in housing districts, had those districts destroyed by free-ways, and were the victims of a racial divide so bad that it carries on into today, with an 80 percent African American population living in the city, and the reverse in the suburbs.

Understandably, people got pissed. Cops started harassing an innocent black man in his 20s, and voilà! The straw which broke the camel's back. A race uprising occurred, with the disproportionate victims of arrests and deaths being black males.

Whites fled the city in a mass exodus almost over night, taking away all the business and capital from what had once been the Paris of the midwest, and the Arsenal of Democracy in WWII. This leads to no money for schools and services, houses begin to catch fire and neighborhoods begin to collapse in to gang-ridden wastelands.

Couple this decline with white suburbanites moving in a further and further radius from the city,taking their money with them, and the absolute lack of public transportation in the city of Detroit (as the auto industries bought and dismantled it in the 1930's), and you create an environment where poverty is the norm, where no jobs exist, and where crime rules most of the city.

There's a reason Detroit is called the Baghdad of North America, and it isn't the welfare state.

Please do some actual research before making a unilateral decision about why my city is the way it is.

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You won't get an explanation from all the mods

No shit.

re-posting the same thing after it's been deleted isn't going to do you any favors either.

I'm not TRYING to do me any favours. I'm trying to get an explanation, or at the very least make others aware of what is going on.

These FOUR people feel they have the right to control what 40,000 people can post or read. That's censorship.

This is NOT a personal blog of theirs. This is NOT a commercial enterprise of theirs.

They were bequeathed this subreddit by kloo2you, who started it, when there were 26 000 readers. They do not OWN this reddit, they are STEWARDS of this reddit.

They do NOT have the right to do this, and they know it. Which is why they will not explain, and their response will be 'don't like it, go elsewhere'. The response of someone who believes their power is unassailable, a petty tyrant mentality.

This article was banned because it's critical of the welfare state, and NO other reason. The black thing is an excuse, not a reason. But the way it makes them look like incredible racists is sort of a sweet revenge.

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This is NOT a personal blog of theirs.

Technically, it is. They just allow others to post on it.

They were bequeathed this subreddit by kloo2you, who started it, when there were 26 000 readers. They do not OWN this reddit, they are STEWARDS of this reddit.

Your point being? They have ultimate control over what is posted and they believed (In my opinion rightly) that your posts about race oppression were not relevant enough even if they did have an incidental relation to men's rights as a whole.

They do NOT have the right to do this, and they know it. Which is why they will not explain, and their response will be 'don't like it, go elsewhere'. The response of someone who believes their power is unassailable, a petty tyrant mentality.

They do have this right and they exercised it. They keep this sub neutral in matters of race/politics/sexual orientation/whatever. If you want to talk about that shit, go to a sub dedicated to it.

This article was banned because it's critical of the welfare state, and NO other reason. The black thing is an excuse, not a reason. But the way it makes them look like incredible racists is sort of a sweet revenge.

You are starting to sound like a nutter. Cool it off.

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The main page is what people see when they come here and anything that would cause them to make a snap judgement about us (Such as this) should be (and is) moderated.

You have been a redditor for TWO MONTHS...and yet here you are telling longtime MRAs what the 'right approach' is. You don';t even know what the fucking issues ARE, yet you KNOW FOR A FACT what we 'need' to do.

I wonder how many of you know it all noobs are aware of the fact that being angry is what led to this success? I wonder if any of you know that asking the hard questions, making the unpopular statements, and refusing to apologize for 'looking bad' IS WHAT THE MENS MOVEMENT DOES.

It is LITERALLY our reason for existence.

So tell me, oh all-knowing smart guy, why would 'looking bad' be a bad thing, if 'looking good' means doing the Politically Correct thing, and going with the flow?

Just how much 'looking bad' is OK for us to do?

Shithead.

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If the board is not allowing itself to be co-opted by the very narrow, bigoted and totalitarian agenda being advanced by this ultra so-con sect, the board is bigoted and restrictive.

Now who is engaging in dishonest mischaraterization.

I'm not a white nationalist, but I am a white male. Does this mean I am not ALLOWED to voice concern over discrimination I face? If I am, why are Bl;acks not allowed to in the same space? Is this a 'white concerns only' board? Just WHO is the fucking bigot here?

I'm not a right/left kinda guy, I find the whole team-picking mentality of American Politics to be not only annoying, but blatantly fuelled by the political classes to distract the populace.

But your characterization of anyone who disagrees with your assessment of the importance of this sort of thing has most definitely been enlightening.

The /r/mensrights board most definitely IS overrun with racists...

The 'white guilty' kind.