Take Women Off the Hate Pedestal

redpillbanana · 2014-07-29T15:05:04+00:00

I'm still in the bitter phase, but I'm not bitter at women - I'm bitter at myself for being such an idiot in the past.

Every time I think of some egregious blue pill behavior from my past, I physically cringe, and that pain is what keeps me from going back to my former beta self, much like the pain from touching a hot iron keeps me from touching it again.

The pain and bitterness is still there, and it's what protects me.

Archwinger · 2014-07-29T16:05:56+00:00

A man's nature is to be angry at shit that's wrong in the world. To want to fix things. It's normal to be angry at women for doing stupid shit. Yeah, they're women, yeah, they're different, yeah, they have different priorities and different biological/cultural/social norms, but they're still fundamentally human beings. With about the same average IQ, about the same physical capabilities and limitations, about the same mental and reasoning abilities.

It's just plain normal to feel disappointment when a girl with a 120 IQ, a master's degree, piles of friends and an extensive professional network, and the ability to design and run an entire department of the business where she works, makes horribly stupid decisions when it comes to men, while treating the men who care about her most with extreme disrespect and dishonor -- being a perfectly respectable and normal person to the entire world, except when dealing with the men who love her.

It's okay to be angry about this, because that's something stupid that warrants anger. What's not okay is to let that anger consume you, affect your life or your progress in any significant way, or to be an unproductive asshole about it. You see the situation, recognize it for what it is because you tore off those blinders ages ago, feel what's natural to feel about it, but continue to act in a manner that furthers your life in a positive direction, because you're not a slave to your emotions.

babyicanchange · 2014-07-29T12:29:14+00:00

Being from Southern Europe and hailing from a traditional family all of this red pill stuff isn't new for me.

Accepting things for what they are from a young age meant I never put women on a pedestal. They have their shortcomings and we have ours. I love women and the women that know me love me as well. Life would be dull without them.

I feel sorry for the kids that grow up without a real father figure and are indoctrinated to believe that they are perfect princesses. More often than not, they'll grow up into passive-aggressive bitter fags.

The downside of all this is that there's no room for being naive. No such thing as unconditional love from a female. And that's ok, if a bit underwhelming.

veggie_girl · 2014-07-29T16:06:29+00:00

Based on the title, I came into this post expecting it to be some bluepiller nonsense that would have to be downvoted and reported.

On the contrary though, it was a pleasant surprise. There's no whiteknighting here.

"Women are like this, you can't change them, you can be angry and whine about it or learn to adapt."

That's pretty much theredpill in a nutshell.

anonlymouse · 2014-07-29T09:40:11+00:00

The bitter phase could last a lot longer. The goals are good, but the time phase isn't necessarily reasonable. I'd expect it to be the same as getting over a breakup, which for some people is a matter of days and others years.

Drogoe · 2014-07-29T15:21:54+00:00

Couldn't agree more. The butthurt and bitterness redounds off the screen in this place - not everyone, of course, but enough to taint the whole community in a pall of negativity and charmlessness. Relax you fucks, some of you take life far too seriously.

BluepillProfessor · 2014-07-31T17:05:49+00:00

There needs to be a sidebar topic on this. Several posts in recent weeks have talked about the bitter angry phase and that TRP is not really about hating women.

I always say you wouldn't kill your puppy if he pissed on the carpet, so why would you blow up your relationship/hate women for behaving like women.

We have been assured since our earliest memories that that the puppies don't really piss on the floor- that it is THE MAN'S fault or alternatively it isn't really piss and ignore all that raw sewage permeating the room making it uninhabitable. When you unplug you smell the rot and it makes you sick.

The lies are the most infuriating part but remember, most of the time women are not even aware of their true wants/desires so they are lying not just to you but to themselves. So get pissed off at society if you want and decry social institutions like feminism/Divorce Court/Vaginamony because eventually that builds into a social movement that might save the world someday.

Just don't stay mad at women. Use your knowledge of them to make your world- and therefore THE world- a better place, one plate at a time.

kanaduhisfruityeh · 2014-07-29T11:32:25+00:00

It isn't about changing women. It is about recognizing the way that they are and counteracting their constant stream of lies in order to avoid getting butt-fucked.

BluepillProfessor · 2014-07-29T16:44:09+00:00

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goldenbeardy · 2014-07-29T18:48:23+00:00

I hope this is enforced. All the anti-feminist stuff is getting a bit old. Look, we all hate feminists, they should fuck off. We all understand that women are manipulative and nobody can ever reason with one.

This doesn't help us at all. Just give us advice and shit.

Dreamtrain · 2014-07-29T19:18:53+00:00

About time, some folks dwell on the "anger" phase way too much, multiplied by the amount of new subscribed it not only makes the sub look bad (which actually we don't care) but rather, it makes the quality of comments bad. So you realized everything you thought about women was wrong, tough shit, you're here to learn to take control of your life, to not whine about being friend zoned again, not only to have the sex life you want, but to pavement your path to success.

Overkillengine · 2014-07-30T03:58:28+00:00

It's nice to see at least some people here see the whining and anger as fucking useless indulgences that need to be worked past.

yummyluckycharms · 2014-07-29T16:30:34+00:00

I think you are confused.....

pointing out that women are "hypergamous, hypocritical, and dishonest about their stated desires and their actual wants" does not imply that red pillers are hating women - only that we recognize women's nature for what it is. Nobody hates a scorpion for using its stinger or a bird for using its wings - that's just them being what they were made to be.

In fact, red pillers love women. I love women, I love them quite frequently actually - and I hope that never changes.

vengefully_yours · 2014-07-29T16:12:20+00:00

Part of the issue is we get a new crop of subscribers every time we are mentioned in a 'worst subreddit in the world' thread, or someone starts bitching about us. That means we get some trolls, and others who put women on the pedestal and want to proclaim NAWALT. Others who are new want to be popular and give a shit about how TRP is viewed by the rest of reddit.

What this means is we have angry new people all the time, and old hands and salty weathered sea dogs like GLO who understand the nature of women. The latter inevitably will repeat as necessary until the new crop learns that yes AWALT and the outliers are insignificant and unicorns do not exist.

It appears we are angry, but we are education and replacing what can be decades of indoctrination and propaganda that tells men and women that females deserve respect, should be placed on pedestals and worshipped as only vagina wrapped in a neurotic and physically weak shell can.

Yeah some dyes are angry, and if you read my history you will think I loathe women, but really the only anger I have regarding women is marriage and divorce laws that enable and reward hypergamous behavior while simultaneously punishing men. There is nothing I can do to change those laws, so I tell what happened to me, why it happened, and what the outcomes of marriage were for my two daughters and I. Some believe it, some think it could never happen to them, and others simply want to stiffle how often it happens to good fathers.

The influx of new people is part of the perpetual 'anger' here, and maybe it will subside once the people who hate us realize the Streisand Effect is real and only serves to flood our ranks with minds wanting to be free when they openly hate on us.

reddiforlove · 2014-07-29T18:32:35+00:00

Beautifully written, though I disagree with the "... will not change her," parts.

While you may not be able to change a woman's inherent nature, I do believe women can be trained to be better, just like the dogs and squirrels you mention.

Samuikr · 2014-07-29T13:56:02+00:00

How could a girl ever be on a pedestal? There is no space left because that is where you are on.

HandsomeXan · 2014-07-30T17:52:07+00:00

A woman cannot change her nature anymore than a squirrel or a dog.

Yeah, but I still hate squirrels and dogs. I told my ex the other day (after she called me asking to be friends), "I hate women. Why would I ever want to be just friends with one?"

I up vote this post for the valid point, but I don't think I'll ever actually enjoy a woman's presence in any way aside from a sexual manner.

I hate putting up the act. A&A and all that. Doesn't mean I won't do it, but just for the record it is indeed an act and nothing more to me.

MaxPower6 · 2014-07-29T15:50:45+00:00

If you not an 8 plus on the looks scale then you are like a fat chick to all attractive women. How can one not be bitter about that?

Entrefut · 2014-07-29T19:00:48+00:00

From my perspective TRP is learning to live with and love women. Accepting their nature is the first step into loving them.

RedPillington · 2014-07-29T16:16:31+00:00

i think giving yourself time limits is that same sort of qualifying bullshit men are required to do by everyone else. i encourage people to just be unrepentantly pissed off for a bit, and when it starts to get tedious, figure it out.

ImCheshire · 2014-07-29T16:54:09+00:00

I'm bitter at my abusive single mom who didn't teach me shit. Now I'm a 34yo man celebrating one year separation and leaning how to live like a real man.

It's never too late, I guess.

2014-07-29T16:19:58+00:00

Everyone improves and changes at their own pace. I think it is better that way since some people take longer to come to a realization than others.

Also, we talk about not putting women on a pedestal. Hating women is still putting them on a pedestal just like how Hitler was put on a pedestal.

2014-07-29T16:46:17+00:00

This. I just came across TRP a few weeks ago. I've never really had issues with women. I think I'm just a naturally assertive guy focused on doing my own thing.

There is a lot of good male-female interaction stuff here that I find interesting, and I like the bits about self improvment. OP is right, though, it takes a lot of digging. To an outsider or a newcomer, a lot of TRP posts seem like a big circlejerk of guys that are butthurt and angry at women in general.

2014-07-29T19:01:41+00:00

Just view women the same way you view cows. You run after them and step in their shit and/or get kicked in the teeth. You get angry and think why cows are such horrible creatures. But you just need to avoid them. You need to go from other direction, be calm and milk them. A cow is a cow, she won't change so you can milk her however YOU think is appropriate. Same with women. Only with them you have to pretend you care about them as a person.

2014-07-29T20:49:29+00:00

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Rafael-L-Smith · 2014-07-30T00:08:25+00:00

i keep going round in circles from anger to acceptance (and everything in between) then back again. like a 2 steps foward 1 step back thing.

circlhat · 2014-07-29T14:14:21+00:00

The most popular posts are often links to clickbait and studies that demonstrate that women are hypergamous, hypocritical, and dishonest about their stated desires and their actual wants. The Red Pill is bitter going down. It is depressing.

That is not being bitter, women are hypergamous because its in their best interests, pointing this out is common sense. A women should seek out the best she can find, the red pill preaches this over and over because you can do everything right and become the best you can be and still get passed over for a unemployed women beater.

Women aren't your friend, they aren't put on earth to please you, but to get the most for the least, you need to realize this.

"By the end of next month, I will have accepted that nothing I say or do will change a woman's nature."

So when a women treats me like shit, I shouldn't say nothing because its in her nature. A women nature is to get the most for the least, to shit test you for no reason other than her own validation. If you don't not pass these shit test like the OP is suggesting and just keep quiet she will leave you.

By the end of next month, women will never upset me again.

I think you need to go to /r/thebluepill

BluepillProfessor · 2014-07-29T18:42:38+00:00

After knowing the truth how you can help but look down on women? They're inferior human beings. Just a vehicle for giving birth. Men are the actual product.

soulracer · 2014-07-30T00:16:11+00:00

Couldn't agree more.

I love women for what they are.

Now, many people here would probably interpret that as naive and Blue Pill or whatever. On the contrary, I see them for what they are as discussed here, and I work within that to my benefit.

Once you understand a system you're able to work with it. There's a reason why women tend to be the way they are. This REASON is what people don't seem to accept much, and it's this reason for why that's written about in the sidebar.

It's all part of the beauty of life. Women want us to be men, mostly as discussed here. And if they treat men badly it's because the men didn't know any better and let it happen. I actually feel bad for women, having to put up with so much pussy behavior. No wonder they carousel on the alphas, because there are so many betas in the world. I see it every day on the street, on dates, in bars... How awful it must be that they have to try to wade through all the pussies throughout life.

We're taught here to believe they all have this conscious plan to fuck us over. No, they are just following their instincts. If there are beta men that don't know any better, there are certainly women that don't understand themselves either.

They want us to be men, so that they can be women. Except they can't tell it to us directly, because then we'd just be doing what we're asked. You can't ask somebody to be more alpha, because it's a Catch 22.

When you actually become a man as you're supposed to be, this nature of women it quite enjoyable and things feel right. It's a dynamic balance of forces. They need to be challenging and you need to be solid, for that to work.

Don't just think about resigned acceptance as the next step beyond bitterness. Embrace reality, change, and then experience how things should be, with joy.

MooMooMooN · 2014-07-29T21:32:48+00:00

YAY! I'm at the "What can you offer other than a penis cozy?" stage!!

xantris · 2014-07-29T21:49:45+00:00

I've always found anger to be an (extremely) useful tool. I'm significantly more capable.. socially, mentally and physically, when I have a smoldering rage burning just under the surface. It gives you that edge, that unbending power of will, desire, and a sense that nothing can stop you.

I lost my anger in my early 20s for many years, and it caused me to fall into a state of apathy. So I'm not sure that turning it off is a good thing, at least not for some folks. Just recognize its origin and learn to use it productively.

srtor · 2014-07-30T01:21:19+00:00

Very much this. The change of focus is very important. Don't rely on others (SO, wife, girlfriend etc) to make you happy. You have to make yourself happy.

Do something that brings joy to yourself. Important point, you cannot change others but you can change yourself. Resentment can only destroy your happiness, but rebuilding your self and restructuring your mind and body can bring you joy and fulfillment.

Learn a new language, join the gym, pickup a new hobby. Or just take a long walk everyday. What you are doing is just changing back the focus on yourself. Redefining yourself, rejuvenating yourself.

In the end, we are social beings, we like companionship. But in that, we put too much effort, time and money to find and maintain a relationship. Don't make yourself too vulnerable into a relationship that may burn you. This happens when you 'forget about yourself'.

tallwheel · 2014-07-30T07:24:33+00:00

Hypergamy examples are good.

You're disregarding how easily RP men can relapse if they aren't reminded every once in a while. I think hypergamy examples are good for both newbs and veterans alike. We need them. Just because you, at this moment in your life, are tired of seeing them doesn't mean they aren't necessary for others, or might even be necessary again for you one day when you start relapsing into BP behavior. Men who were raised BP so easily start tending toward BP behavior again once they get overconfident or too comfortable.

asshowl · 2014-07-30T11:30:34+00:00

I got over the bitterness with a mixture of equating the unattractive behaviour of a standard woman to my previous unattractive beta behaviour, and then (more importantly) the top posts on RPwomen, which blew my mind even further.

I don't even bother with the standard "hey look at this study" "feminist admits that women do, indeed, take shits". I'm more concerned with what TRP means to me, which is maintaining my personality unapologetically.

Gimpness · 2014-07-30T14:33:18+00:00

All of this has already been posted so you're just rewording the post with less knowledge on it.

There are 5 phases as we all know, and you should get through them naturally, you can keep telling yourself that you've accepted it etc. but you should know that means you're in bargaining. so you're passed anger but you'll have to go through depression before you hit acceptance.

It doesn't take 1 month to get your inner game completely done, it takes 1-3 years but good luck at that.

2014-07-29T22:02:10+00:00

I was talking about dating with a hot redhead friend of mine on facebook.

She said something akin to "it's not you, people are just assholes"

C'est la vie.

GraphicSeniorNudity · 2014-07-29T10:29:53+00:00

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Title	Take Women Off the Hate Pedestal
Author	2chronicles34
Upvotes	338
Comments	123
Date	July 29, 2014 8:51 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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