In theory, Feminists should LOVE TheRedPill - heres why

sigmared82 · 2014-11-03T13:15:51+00:00

The problem feminists have with TRP is the same they have with PUA. Women want to be able to differentiate between "real" alphas, and betas who are "faking" it. They read stuff on TRP and with a superficial understanding of it they reject it as "fake". Feminism is a global shit test designed to accentuate the difference between betas and alphas so the alphas are easier to spot, and the betas are more easily manipulated. They hate TRP because they need betas, and can't have betas waking up to reality and "faking" alpha.

Note: I'm not saying TRP is actually faking alpha, but that's how they see it.

Algermas · 2014-11-03T13:26:40+00:00

In theory, yes. But women want "real", natural Alpha males. To women the idea of falling for a beta "faking" being Alpha is the same as a man thinking he found a unicorn only to later find out she regularly had the football team run trains on her throughout HS and college.

2014-11-03T15:40:38+00:00

It's because real hardcore feminists don't have much SMV. They are fat, lazy, consider themselves victims and don't want to take responsibility for anything. These are the most outspoken and consider themselves the leaders of feminists. The women who follow will listen without giving it much thought. It all sounds good on paper. Their hamster will rationalize it all as a good thing because society also values what they say too.

The red pill is a place that contradicts with the female imperative of the alpha fucks/beta bucks model. It enlightens men of this and feminists don't like it because it decreases her chances of finding a beta who she can use for his resources and then fuck the alpha on the side. Society is set up for them and the red pill wants to enlighten men of this. So men will no longer give away their resources just so that they can get married and have sex. Or even worse just give away their resources just so a women can be nice to them. It's all too easy for them. They don't want to change this. Why would they?

Think of it if the roles were reversed. If you were given all the pussy in the world and get dinners, gifts, and advantage in marriage for you without having to do much other than be a male, you would fight for that lifestyle to stay as it is. Right?? I wouldn't mind it.

But men are not given that right. They have to work hard to get anywhere in life. For women now days being a women should be enough. It's not that feminists don't work hard in some areas in their lives, it's that they want these things without having to work hard. We all know if you want certain things you have to work at what will make whatever goal you want to manifest itself.

For women if they want a decent man they have to look good, have a decent personality that isn't bitchy or crazy, and have to be loyal. But the way society is set up now days none of that is required. Because there are men out there who settle and buy into the model that feminism and the female imperative has set in front of them. What we call the blue pill. And as long as the blue pill is there, women will fight for that and will dismiss the red pill as misogynistic and just plain negativity.

R4F1 · 2014-11-03T13:13:34+00:00

TRP as an ideology is completely amoral. Its simply about understanding how things are (by analyzing evolutionary psychology and social dynamics), and individuals come to their own conclusion on how to use that knowledge. Hence, why TRP isn't about demonizing women at all. Feminism on the other hand is "moral" and does dictate policy. In its case, that happens to be cultural-marxism. Cultural-marxism borrows the proletarian vs bourgeois "class struggle" basis from actual Marxism and applies it to society as whole. Such as man vs woman, black vs white, mankind vs environment, etc. That is not to say these problems don't exist, they do. But cultural-marxists/progressives hijack these real world problems for their own means and ends. In other words, Feminism is firmly about power dynamics. Taking it from the "man" and handing it over to the woman.

Transmigratory · 2014-11-03T14:45:55+00:00

I disagree with the notion feminists hate PUA/TRP because it doesn't allow them to find real alphas.

Lets be real: feminism on the whole is about power to women. This would make them HATE alphas because those subset of men actually have power over women; women don't have powers in the presence of an alpha male. That's why all these betas (manginas, betas etc) tend to be around feminists. They like these men because THEY have power over them.

Feminism is a purely voluntaristic ideology. That it they don't believe - rather do not want to believe - the genetic imperative which compels them to react to alphas. Alphas are their enemy. In all: they believe their free will makes them like betas and that there isn't a genetic determinism which draws them to alphas.

Easy solution as per the almighty hamster: ensure alphas cannot exist. Thus the genetic imperative becomes nullified, in theory.

In theory... THEORY: feminists will never like alphas. They hate what you represent. Alphas = patriarchy; obstacles to matriarchy.

TRP/PUA is hated not because it "fakes" alpha, rather because it GENERATES the alphas they're trying to kill off. More alphas means less men they can control; less men they can control means they cannot superimpose the radfem discourse onto society.

The women who scream loudest (tumblr feminists and radfems) are the ones who actually hate TRP/PUA. For the reasons I outlined.

Dev_on · 2014-11-03T13:41:12+00:00

Lot of assumptions, not a lot of things backing them up./

/foodforthought

NietzscheanStoic · 2014-11-03T15:01:10+00:00

So I wonder why feminists hate the red pill so much. We're giving them what they want, right? Can't we all just get along?

Feminism is women at their absolute worst. They want to have it all. They want to fuck around but later regret it and put the guys in prison. They want equality but don't want to do any heavy lifting.

They want all the benefits of civilization and NONE of the work. It's princess mentality and I'm pretty goddamned sure just about all Western women have it.

At least under Patriarchy, women had to TRY to be appealing to men in some way outside of their vaginas.

Can you sing? Can you dance? Play an instrument? Can you knit? Sew? Cook? Clean? Tell a good story or two?

EDIT: typos

caughtyouredhanded · 2014-11-03T17:48:24+00:00

Feminism is actually a sexual strategy for finding the Alphas and weeding out the betas.

Uh, how? You're gonna need to back that definition up.

Imapancakenom · 2014-11-03T22:38:25+00:00

Feminism is actually a sexual strategy for finding the Alphas and weeding out the betas.

Really? I never thought that at all. It always seemed to me that feminism is a strategy to get power and value in society for women who could not get power and value the original female way- which was to be physically attractive.

I think Marilyn Monroe is quoted as saying "I don't mind living in a man's world, as long as I can be a woman in it." Easy for her to say. In her time she was considered as physically attractive as a woman could possibly be. Therefore in this man's world, she had an immense amount of power and value, and life was good for her. I bet you nowadays, attractive women who hear that quote would nod knowingly and think to themselves "yep, don't mind at all."

But most unattractive women probably wouldn't like that quote or wouldn't agree with it, because they can't identify with it. They are not treated as valuable by our society, they don't have much (if any) power or worth in this "man's world," life was not good for them, and so they banded together to become feminists in order to push for more power and worth. But they never said "power" (to their credit they probably never even thought it), they used words like "equality" and "rights" and "fair treatment." I don't blame them, not the forerunners anyway. The way I see it, their lives sucked so they fought to make it better. What's happening now is just the result of it all going too far, problems such as divorce-rape being so easy and free of consequences, making false rape accusations without any consequences, etc.

I think feminists hate TheRedPill mostly because we are insulting a feminist by giving her the message that we are not interested in her and she is worth nothing to us. We are saying that we are only interested in attractive women- attractive being defined by physical traits like young, thin, pretty, feminine, etc., and personality traits like sweet, gentle, caring, nurturing- and that pisses a feminist off because she is most likely not attractive by those standards. We are giving her the message that she does not have value, we are not interested in marrying her or dating her.

Feminist: We are women! Great, powerful, strong, wonderful, beautiful women!

BB: Yes! Yes you are!

AF: .... (walks away and goes to talk to the young pretty girl)

Feminist: GGGRRRRRRHHHH

popthatpill · 2014-11-03T13:47:04+00:00

Here's what you missed:

1) As other people here point out, women only want real alphas, naturals, not betas/omegas faking alpha. To the extent that RP (or any other men's movement) allows non-alphas to simulate alphas, then that makes female sexual strategy (distinguishing between alphas and non-alphas) harder, and hence women will oppose it.

2) Feminism, as Heartiste puts it, is just a mechanism for increasing social controls/responsibilities/obligations on men while reducing the same on women. To the extent that RP gives men power in a relationship and/or deprives a woman of power, women will oppose RP (although they'll normally dress it up with feigned moral outrage, eg. RP is "misogynistic").

Basically RP tells you how the sexual market really works and how women really act, think, and feel - and women, for obvious reasons, don't want men getting that information. Remember what Rollo said: the male and female sexual strategies are zero sum, to the extent that one succeeds the other must fail. RP helps men succeed, ie. it makes it harder for females to carry out their sexual strategy.

Frozen_Tundra · 2014-11-03T18:02:15+00:00

I don't think the two work together at all.

Rp works with reality, the here and now.

Feminism is all about how they think things should be, wants to engineer society to their benefit and will create drama and hysteria using both real information AND myths to forward their agenda.

Feminism in the past has done many good things that I agree with. Now, not so much.

MyNewAccount9 · 2014-11-03T19:00:51+00:00

1)

Feminism is actually a sexual strategy for finding the Alphas and weeding out the betas.

No.

Feminism is a set of tactics that individuals use for their power, resources, and social position.

TRP challenges a lot of those power maneuvers.

If you use a set of ideas and emotions to manipulate people, and if this is what you depend on to get access to resources, THEN you will resent and fight any challengers.

2)

In my relationships, i observe that women like to challenge men. And what they really like is when men dont buckle. It's just a way of weeding out weakness and bullshit. From that angle--feminists don't hate TRP. They just want to see if TRP is strong enough to disregard them. It's a turn on.

2014-11-03T19:47:04+00:00

Feminism is just a giant shit test. They hate on us but deep down they know we are right and want is to be right.

VoidInvincible · 2014-11-03T19:47:55+00:00

I'll correct for you- feminism is nothing to do with finding alphas and weeding out betas. I've seen some pretty wierd definitions of feminism on here but where the hell did that one come from?

favours_of_the_moon · 2014-11-03T20:15:31+00:00

FemiNaziism is about how women "want" to be, and often think they are.

TRP is about how they actually are. The two are diametrically opposed.

RedPillSafe · 2014-11-03T23:46:38+00:00

The quality that makes a Red Pill Woman attractive is that she understands the differences between men and women's minds as a result of biology. (testosterone)

Men can be stoic
Woman can desire this stoic rock of a man and that builds a solid foundation.

Feminists reject the concept of nature influencing gender (it's their core ideal that all people are equal) so the only relationship you can have with a Feminist is purely sex.

Feminists are plates.

Red Pill Women can be LTR material.

Never mix these up.

Do not ever marry a Feminist.

swank86 · 2014-11-04T06:00:49+00:00

Maybe cause women be women, and they don't know what they want our what they stand up for.

2014-11-05T15:33:32+00:00

TRP is about deceiving women into thinking you are alpha. Like women deceive men with makeup into looking that they are pretty.

nicknameminaj · 2014-11-03T18:43:31+00:00

The thing is, is that yes, it is about hatred for women and you all know it. stop playing games.

VoidInvincible · 2014-11-04T02:49:16+00:00

Such good debates here, really glad I found the Red Pill before it was too late.

popthatpill · 2014-11-03T13:00:10+00:00

Its probably because much of the red pill ideology treats women as prey and men as sexual predators very explicitly. Evem though we are biologically determined to establish this kind of sexual relation between genders I don't think that translates into hate towards women or into a sense of male superiority (except for stupid people, who are everywhere). Just FYI I'm a male and a feminist and I have no problem with adhering to the red pill community

Title	In theory, Feminists should LOVE TheRedPill - heres why
Author	VoidInvincible
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Date	November 3, 2014 12:49 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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