Just read this in my company's ethics document:

IS44 · 2014-01-29T19:08:50+00:00

Good for your company. That kind of wording may seem like a small or trivial thing, but it does mean a great deal when it comes to equality in the workplace.

I'm currently helping my old high school get back on its feet. While I was on the campus, I noticed a domestic violence flyer on the billboard, and it went on and on about women as victims of DV. I'm looking to bring this up to the dean, to see if the school can't incorporate a more gender-neutral wording for that.

intensely_human · 2014-01-29T23:08:57+00:00

You should track down who wrote it and give them your thanks.

BF Skinner, a famous behaviorist who did a lot of research on operant conditioning, discovered that reward is more effective in shaping behavior than punishment.

Therefore the most effective way to create change is to dole out rewards, not punishments. It's also more pleasant so it's good all around.

Go thank whoever wrote that. Tell them what it means and why you noticed it, and that you think it was a good move.

fia_bui · 2014-01-30T03:41:54+00:00

making unwelcome sexual advances

Does that mean if you ask someone out, you find out afterwards if you sexually harassed them or not?

knowless · 2014-01-29T21:56:15+00:00

Harassment of males happens differently, guided by traditional roles, they flaunt their "sexual prowess", or use their influence with women to ostracize, it's still sexual harassment, but flavored to what destroys male egos. It can come from either sex or groups.. It's all the same.

Blue_Shoes_2 · 2014-01-29T21:59:47+00:00

Here's something I've always wondered about.

sexually harass another employee by (a) making unwelcome sexual advances

How are you supposed to know if a sexual advance is welcome or unwelcome until after the fact? Sure, there is a back and forth process of gradually increasing flirtation, but it's possible that one party might not welcome taking things to the next level while the other party does and requests it.

I'm not saying we should all go around asking people for sex immediately, but this is a problem. I understand that the company is probably trying to ban more than is necessary to protect it's own ass, but I hope people realize that it is not practical to consider as sexual harassment every flirtatious comment or act.

rightsbot · 2014-01-29T18:58:16+00:00

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TRPACC · 2014-01-30T11:26:31+00:00

Do they have rules about people creating a sexual atmosphere with deliberately revealing and figure hugging clothes?

That's what a gender neutral version would really look like.

2014-01-30T17:53:37+00:00

I work in a family owned restaurant, the daughter of my boss would constantly give me titty twisters and grab my ass not the cheek but the HOLE she did it once when I had a bad hemeriod(sorry) its ridiculous granted its a pretty relaxed place but that shit is not cool.I do all the heavy lifting they get all the money. /rant

Hypersapien · 2014-01-29T21:53:30+00:00

Are there businesses that specify that it's only against policy for male employees and consultants to harass?

rrearleii · 2014-01-30T03:44:34+00:00

Are you people serious? This isn't corporate policy, it's the law.

Roddy0608 · 2014-01-30T12:32:19+00:00

Do they have to specify "male or female" though? What else can a person be?

EVSnowden · 2014-01-30T01:24:28+00:00

Whoopty Fucking dooo

ZzDe0 · 2014-01-30T02:08:53+00:00

Really is this that uncommon? The company I used to work for had a gender natural sexual harassment policy and the collage I go to now has one also. And it was no surprise to me.

iongantas · 2014-01-29T20:10:47+00:00

Correction: you don't have to be female to be harassed.

Zosimasie · 2014-01-30T07:01:50+00:00

How is this "getting it right"? This is standard practice with just about any company. The application of that, of course, is typically extremely biased.

IMULTRAHARDCORE · 2014-01-30T00:13:25+00:00

Gender neutral language is often the most insidious. On paper it all looks nice and fair, who could object? In practice it's almost always used against men. Don't be fooled into thinking what's on paper is going to reflect what will happen in a real world setting. If things like that were true feminism really would be about equality.

NWOslave · 2014-01-29T23:16:50+00:00

The policy is a joke. Since men and women aren't biologically emotionally equal how's that going to work? A woman calls a man a dick and it'll either roll off his back like duck water or he'll call her a bitch. A man calls a woman a cunt and she'll cry like an infant and scream sexism. Or how about gays, trans or whatever new made up gender/sex is in vogue this year? They can scream homophobe or transphobe or whatever they want till the cows come home. All words to shame someone no doubt, yet call someone a fag, a word used to shame and you'll be out the door. The policy might as well say, all straight men must walk on egg shells while all special interest groups have free reign to say whatever they want.

evilcleverdog · 2014-01-30T02:13:55+00:00

Yep. It goes both ways.

Title	Just read this in my company's ethics document:
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Date	January 29, 2014 6:57 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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