In a variation of Milgram's obedience experiment, subjects were told to give increasingly large electric shocks to a live puppy. 20 out of the 26 participants complied to the end. The six that had refused to comply were all male (54% of males were obedient); all 13 of the women obeyed to the end

drinkthebleach · 2012-11-27T00:30:07+00:00

tl;dr Women hate puppies? Not following I guess.

Boethias · 2012-11-27T03:52:40+00:00

The sample size is too small.

rapiertwit · 2012-11-27T11:52:46+00:00

Fucking A, another "women suck" post. If the results were opposite everyone on this board would be howling "small sample size" - which it is. 26 total subjects... it signifies NOTHING.

2012-11-27T03:02:23+00:00

This is likely due to the fact that women on average are raised to be more submissive than men.

If you had asked me to setup a hyptoses before seeing this experiment I¨d 100% tell women would act more submissive and not question authority.

ignatiusloyola · 2012-11-27T01:09:06+00:00

Here is the results, nearly in full (I left out some unimportant paragraphs).

Levels of obedience obtained from male subjects were quite close to those obtained by Milgram (1965) under comparable conditions of feedback from the victim. With combined auditory and visual feedback from the victim, 40% of Milgrams subjects obeyed to the end of the shock scale whereas 54% of the male subjects in the present study were comparably compliant. The difference between Milgram's results and the present ones are nor statistically reliable. The Milgram findings are, therefore, replicable when the situation is highly plausible and the victim authentic.

Without exception, female subjects complied with instructions to shock the puppy all the way to the end of the scale. The difference between obedience levels of male and female subjects was statistically reliable.

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The findings are in consonance with the view that Milgram's findings may correctly be taken at face value. Subjects are willing to follow repugnant commands, even when it is clear that the victim is truly receiving shocks. Milgram's findings have proven remarkably robust in the face of a variety of procedural variations, and the impact of his findings cannot be mitigated by appeal to the notion that subjects are merely "playing games with" and "outguessing" the experimentors.

Females were not expected to be more willing than males to shock a cute puppy. In order to determine whether this was due to peculiarities of the expectancies, 45 subjects, both male and female, were asked, in a classroom setting, to indicate how much shock they would deliver if they had been subjects in the experiment. Their estimates, made before learning the actual results, were in consonance with the early expectations. Only three subjects (two male and one female) indicated that they would go beyond 300 V. When females were asked to predict how far the "average woman" would go in shocking the puppy, 86% of them predicted that the "average woman" would shock no higher than 150 V, and no one predicted that the "average woman" would go as far as 450 V.

After completion of the study, it was learned that M. Goldman and his students had conducted an unpublished investigation of the Milgram type using adolescent females as subjects. His results were virtually identical to those obtained with females in the present investigation. However, Milgram used female subjects and obtained results similar to those in his studies of male obedience. It is possible that age is a critical variable here, since Milgram invariably used more mature subjects, where as in both this study and Goldman's, female subjects were all in their teens. However, it would be pointless to speculate on the basis of these sex differences without further research to clarify the conditions under which they occur.

ManUpManDown · 2012-11-27T00:20:40+00:00

Interesting. Now, I would like to see both researchers shocked until they're howling in pain. I guess we know who to enlist to press the buttons, thanks to their research: female animal lovers.

actanonverba8 · 2012-11-27T09:21:50+00:00

"Mammas don't let your babys grow up to be......like you"

Here's a pdf of the paper itself:

http://www.holah.co.uk/files/sheridan_king_1972.pdf

bmmbooshoot · 2012-11-28T02:32:58+00:00

...so what doe this have to do with men's rights exactly? a group of 26 people, 13 women tells us....WHAT exactly?

Geohump · 2012-11-27T00:59:40+00:00

Please note that the time when this experiment was done, The US culture was very different. IIRC this was done in the 1950's or 60's. Women today are much less subservient then they were then. Ironically, men are more subservient than they were then. [ Ok milgram's was 1962, the puppy one, 1973]

How would it turn out today? it would be very different I expect. So many people have been exposed to the issues of authoritarianism and conformity.

I suspect most republican-like thinking people would keep obeying and most liberals would be more likely to disobey. .

tiffybug69 · 2012-11-27T01:01:27+00:00

I think I died a little inside.

Godspiral · 2012-11-27T19:03:08+00:00

For those that read the protocol, where participants given the impression that they would only be paid if they followed through with all instructions?

luxury_banana · 2012-11-27T15:43:38+00:00

Stefan Molyneux talked about this. It's pretty scary stuff how many people are willing to follow the orders of perceived authority figures and how few people have any concept of morality.

ErasmusMRA · 2012-11-26T23:10:50+00:00

I know someone will ask, "How is this related to men's rights?" Understanding women's nature is essential to our fight for men's rights. And that nature is extreme obedience to authority.

ThePigman · 2012-11-27T01:27:26+00:00

Not surprised. Whether the gals kept going due to obedience or sadism, it's yet another sign that it's not the male sex we should be worried about.

purplepowerpete · 2012-11-27T05:41:56+00:00

I don't think this test really shows obedience, I think it shows who likes dogs more. If it was a person, it would be clearly wrong so I'm pretty sure the results would end in a different spot

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