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Vasectomy Part II. “The problem with vasectomies is that the wrong men keep getting them.” ~Doctor

ErasmusMRA

September 13, 2012

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Title	Vasectomy Part II. “The problem with vasectomies is that the wrong men keep getting them.” ~Doctor
Author	ErasmusMRA
Upvotes	185
Comments	179
Date	September 13, 2012 11:43 AM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/ztfyr/vasectomy_part_ii_the_problem_with_vasectomies_is/
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Ok, for those who don't get the joke, I linked to spironolactone and estradiol pills.

Spiro is a powerful anti-androgen. It suppresses your body's ability to react to and produce testosterone.

Estradiol is estrogen, aka the primary female hormone.

Taking the dosages I recommended would completely shift your body chemistry from the male range to the female range. Will this be effective birth control? Absolutely. It will completely shut down your sperm production. However, this is very much like killing a fly with a howitzer.

This is the standard hormone regimen used by many transgender women, people transitioning from male to female. Take it for a few weeks? No problem. Take it for a few years? Incredible effects.

Besides shutting down sperm production, your testicles and penis will shrink. Eventually to a pre-pubescent level.

Your skin and body hair will change. Your body hair will thin out to a female normal. Your skin will soften. As a plus side, any acne will likely vanish.

You're essentially undergoing a second puberty, this time female. After a month or two, your nipples will start to itch and ache. They will grow and enlarge. You will need to wear a bra to keep them from poking through a t-shirt. Let it go long enough and a proper set of breasts will develop. And I'm not talking fat man boobs, I'm talking full, perky female breasts. Your nipples will become as sensual and sensitive as your genitals.

Your body fat distribution will change. It takes a few years to shift, but eventually you stop carrying excess weight on your stomach and more on your hips and ass. You're going to need some new jeans.

Your musculature will dramatically change. If you have big biceps now, you can probably kiss them goodbye. Your shoulders and arms will slenderize into a very female form. Shit is going to get HEAVY!

Your face will change a bit, at least as far as skin and soft tissue. Bone won't change, but it will still likely be enough to get you ma'amed when you walk into a store.

Give it time, and this can change you immensely. There are a few things it won't change, including your voice, your facial hair, and bone structure. Trans women use voice training to develop a nice female voice and get laser/electrolysis to remove the facial hair.

Still, you may find it difficult to present as male after a few years. Even if you keep your hair short and wear guy clothes, they may simply read you as a really butch lesbian. The voice will confuse people, but other than that you'll be read female.

Needless to say it will make your life quite interesting. :)

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Well yes, of course these issues do affect trans people.

For instance, a few of the often cited mens rights issues are gender disparities in domestic violence cases, divorce court, and college admissions.

Now, I consider myself female. My passport, drivers license, and social security info all have my girl name and are listed as female. Does that mean that I always benefit from any biases that exist in the system favoring women?

Hardly. These biases aren't usually overtly written in to law. They entirely depend on the biases and judgement of whatever official is involved. As a trans woman, would I be able to take advantage of biases that exist in say, child custody decisions? Who knows?! It's just as likely the judge would consider me "really a guy" and apply whatever biases they normally apply to guys to me. Its' a total crap shoot.

The same goes for any situation where gender discrimination occurs. Say there is a firm that won't promote females to management. Well, depending on how they choose to define gender in their own minds, this could hurt trans women, or it could hurt trans men. Or hell, it could hurt both.

Whenever there is any system that discriminates against men, or discriminates against women, a trans guy or gal could be hurt by it, just depending on how the person doing the discrimination interprets their gender.

So yes, you'll find many, many trans people advocating for complete equality of the sexes. Depending on how someone views me, I can be discriminated against for being female or I can be discriminated against for "being a guy." So equality for all is definitely something I champion.

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If I was that doctor and had to do reversals every day, I would probably say those same kinds of things to every childless patient that came in.

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You made a claim about your own views and standards, I challenged you to show evidence to back that claim up.

Ha! Bull... you just faulted me for calling out a guy instead of a girl. And your "challenge" was nothing more than a ridiculous request.

Can you give me one example when you called out a woman specificly for "disregard to others" for having sex with birth control but no condoms?

I mean seriously, what are the chances that I would have the exact conversation with someone else, with the roles reversed? And as I've said, I don't know anyone IRL who would gamble with their health like that. The fact that I can't produce this obscure "evidence" does not negate my argument, because what you're really questioning are my views and standards and the proof is right here in the fact that these are my words, right now.

I never contradicted myself. My stance never changed. I can tell you the point of my argument, I have said over and over again: Having unprotected sex with multiple partners is foolish and shows a blatant disregard for the health of others. That has nothing to do with being male or female. Wrong is wrong, I never put the responsibility solely on men so you have no leg to stand on.

If you are going to make the assertion that my POV is unfair or biased then the burden of proof is on you, not me. You are the one claiming that I support a double standard. PROVE IT. Show me how; submit your evidence instead of requesting that I submit evidence of my own POV. Ludicrous...

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Ha! Bull...

Here is you making that claim

Put down the torch, as you're on an unnecessary witch hunt. I was in no way referring to his reproductive freedom or the restricting of.

What I was referring to was the blatant disregard for the health of his sexual partners seeing as he spoke of 'slinging his dick around' but made no mention of condoms.

Those are views and standards

I never contradicted myself.

Here is you contradicting yourself

I absolutely would feel the same outrage if this was a woman talking about 'slinging her pussy' without a single mention of contraceptives.

No mention of condoms, just contraceptives.

I mean seriously, what are the chances that I would have the exact conversation with someone else, with the roles reversed?

Another weak ass Stawman - you hardly need to have the exact same conversation, if these are stongly held beliefs of yours, it's reasonable to expect you to have them expressed SOMEWHERE in some fashion isntead of giving me a "and some of my best friends are black" on this thread.

And as I've said, I don't know anyone IRL who would gamble with their health like that.

Really? You don't know ANYONE that has condomless sex in real life?

Wrong is wrong, I never put the responsibility solely on men so you have no leg to stand on.

Except when you put the responsiblity soley on the man. When he and a woman BOTH decided to have condomless sex, you called him out for his "disregard for others" - no mention of the women involved. If you don't feel like getting called on it, don't post it.

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That's called anecdotal evidence, and it's not right to generalize an entire group based on such a small sampling.

For example, my sister gets food stamps and has so much extra food stamp money, she trades them for favors.

Maybe your sister is really good at getting deals on things? They base food stamps on a certain level of needs, it's possible she opt'd to sacrifice a few of those needs and now has a surplus.

Nevermind the fact she smokes pot and cigarettes (and who knows what else) and picked up her 2nd DWI while on welfare.

People will drink and smoke regardless; being on welfare does not predispose you to DWIs, actually many people on welfare cut back on driving because it costs money that they may not be able to afford.

Oh yeah, she treats her kids like shit too, and then the schools don't understand why they have emotional problems, and put them on taxpayer funded meds.

Nothing to do with Welfare. People treat their kids poorly every day. And those med are fucking expensive ($1->$20/pill) even with employer insurance, some middle class homes have trouble paying for them.

But yeah, I'm sure there's a few people who don't abuse the system and/or deserve the help - I just have never met one.

More like we have a few who abuse it and they are the ones held up to the light. Sort of a confirmation bias, you think it's a huge problem because it's all you hear about but really they are the exception and thus why they get in the news.

People who do not abuse it; people who get on it for a few months then off don't make the news. It's embarrassing to many (party from attitudes like yours) so they often would not even admit it, and there is nothing all that "interesting" from the nightly news POV about them so you never hear about them.

Similar effect for child kidnappers. Family Members, mainly women are the #1 demographic for child abuse/abuse/kidnapping, yet you never hear about them, even though we have decades of FBI stats backing it up. All you hear about is how it was some lone mentally disturbed guy who jumped out of the bushes with some candy w/e. It adds to the sensationalism and makes for a more compelling story. People want shock and awe, sex sells, etc...

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That's called anecdotal evidence, and it's not right to generalize an entire group based on such a small sampling.

No shit. That's why I prefaced the statement with "for example."

People will drink and smoke regardless

Maybe. Maybe not. Regardless, they shouldn't be doing it on the taxpayers' dime. (it's funny how you're critical of anecdotal evidence but you make these statements with ZERO evidence at all).

More like we have a few who abuse it and they are the ones held up to the light.

Keep telling yourself that. Like I said, I only gave one example - the one I have the most firsthand experience with. In my profession (which I'm not going to discuss in detail with a stranger on the internet), I see MUCH more abuse than I just discussed. (that said, I consider welfare resources "abused" when someone gets welfare legally, but are wholly undeserving).

Sort of a confirmation bias, you think it's a huge problem because it's all you hear about but really they are the exception and thus why they get in the news.

I'm sorry, but you know dick about what I think, and much less about what I hear. And then you want to talk about confirmation bias?

Nothing to do with Welfare. People treat their kids poorly every day. And those med are fucking expensive ($1->$20/pill) even with employer insurance, some middle class homes have trouble paying for them.

It must have something to do with welfare, cause her son wouldn't be on meds if it weren't for welfare (and IMO, he shouldn't be on meds, but that's too much to discuss here).

People who do not abuse it; people who get on it for a few months then off don't make the news.

I hate to shatter your version of reality, but the vast majority of the abusers aren't making the news either because, you know, they get busted if they're on the news.

EDIT: Here's a link discussing rate of welfare fraud in San Diego county. Now, it points out that a rate of 24% is too much because it includes errors on the government's part and "unintentional" errors in applications. That said, it's amazing they reach double digit percentages by just reviewing the paperwork, because undoubtedly you have to dig much deeper to discover most fraud (such as in my sister's case, just for example).

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