Kissing your daughter goodnight is Sexualising your child

thrway_1000 · 2012-07-19T15:23:08+00:00

This is the same woman who wrote "Germaine Greer : The Beautiful Boy" basically about sexualizing young boys for the pleasure of older women and she has the nerve to talk about a good night kiss? Hypocrisy is rife in this woman. Why should I take someone, who most would consider a pedophile if the genders were reversed, seriously on this subject? I call projection. People should stop giving her a platform to spew her biased hypocritical brand of false feminism.

Tralan · 2012-07-19T15:00:27+00:00

I'm a man, and both my mother and father would kiss me goodnight. In fact, when I visit them to this day, they sometimes still do. Was I sexualized Germaine? Was I taught to be coy and precocious? Was I being taught to flirt?

Germaine Greer is an insane, psycho, bitch. She, and feminists like her, live in a warped version of reality. They do not live on the same planet as most of the human race.

angryletterwriter · 2012-07-19T16:03:49+00:00

I kiss my cat sometimes. I didn't realize how serious this was.

El_Wolfo · 2012-07-19T13:23:14+00:00

I watched the video. One of the things that struck me was how she took a simple goodnight kiss and warped it into something sexual. The father at the end of the video had a good response, and is right to be flabbergasted that this woman would accuse him of teaching his daughters to flirt with him.

Many young people look up to their parents. When I was much younger, I used to look to my dad as a role model, and now have many of the same mannerisms as he did growing up. My younger sister on the other hand, behaves in many ways similar to our mother. Is it too hard to look at this and say maybe the influence isn't coming from the fathers, but the mothers, or their parents relationship in general?

While I will acknowledge that there are some parents who promote this behavior in their children, I would assume that most parents, in the UK or otherwise, would not do this.

The last piece I want to add, is that I have seen what happens to children when they do not get adequate attention from one or both parents. It devastates them, and in some cases can severely hinder their mental and emotional growth. The type of fear mongering this conversation is promoting is unreal. A parent should not be afraid of giving their child a kiss goodnight. A parent should not be afraid of showing their child motherly or fatherly affection. This situation isn't just bad for just men, but for their sons and daughters also.

2012-07-19T15:47:33+00:00

She's right, you know. Parents should just stick to putting penises into vaginas and popping babies whilst Germaines raise their children to be nice, proper and unsexualised.

Jimmy775 · 2012-07-19T16:49:41+00:00

Notice when she's pushed on the point by the audience member she immediately changes the topic. That being said, she touches on an interesting idea about ingraining the practice of showing affection as a girl at a young age and how that affects girls down the line; however, I think she warps the individual practice of kissing your father goodnight into some kind of depraved act that it's not.

gwolf100 · 2012-07-19T18:27:21+00:00

I kinda wish that guy in the audience was my dad, he looks so jolly! But seriously, showing affection for your parent is now sexual? What kind of Freudian universe...I don't even.

Lawtonfogle · 2012-07-19T15:41:24+00:00

We've had the feminist movement, the Slut Walks, where young women proudly claimed their right to be sluts.

Greer herself once posed naked for a magazine cover, with her legs wide apart, as a statement which was meant to "demystify split beaver" in her words.

Young girls naturally want to grow up to be like the women they see as examples. So the Slut Walks, and feminism generally, are of course encouraging the sexualisation of young girls.

But this feminist, Greer, blames it on fathers kissing daughters goodnight, even though fathers have done this for centuries, without their daughters being sexualised as they are in the modern era - and fathers are usually the last people to condone their daughters dressing sluttily!

Can't Greer see that she, and her movement, are the real cause of the sexualisation of young girls that she now hautily pretends to disapprove of?

It's simply something she doesn't want to see.

But feminists, being feminists, now demand that government step in to "do something about it".

FOADSASCUM · 2012-07-19T18:40:05+00:00

She's a bit out of touch. Her entire rant is essentially "I don't like that girls want to be girls, I'd rather they be the way I want them".

Controlling/manipulative.

Also, saying that fathers kissing their daughters goodnight is absurd, and props go to that man who stood up and called her out on it.

5eraph · 2012-07-19T16:13:36+00:00

Sorry, but I don't understand why everyone is so mystified by this phenomenon. Children have more choices and more agency that they ever have. My kids all pick their own clothes and dress themselves.

Sexy women are powerful. Sexy and rich, sexy and smart even more so, but sexy can control men (and women, but mostly men) better than just about anything else. Why wouldn't little girls want to be powerful?

A lot of feminists would say that this is thanks to patriarchy, but how many hardcore feminists in the media wear makeup? The know that an attractive women has power.

The comment about fathers is just nasty. People who see sex everywhere have issues themselves.

2012-07-19T19:28:50+00:00

What a vile and disgusting woman. Her intentions are so warped and malicious I am amazed people shut up long enough to hear the old windbag speak.

She is preciously targeting healthy relationships that fathers have with their daughters and turning it ugly. She is attacking the relationship at its core to assert that fathers are so awful that they shouldn't even be allowed to raise them nor be affectionate with them. Its the one realm where feminists probably want more control and demonization, at the core a man raising a female makes them upset.

thrway_1000 · 2012-07-19T19:36:26+00:00

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thrway_1000 · 2012-07-19T13:05:11+00:00

que downvotes... c,mon just watch the damn thing rather than downvoting every bit of new content..seriously.

its a fucking shambles that she would declare kissing my child goodnight is teaching them to "flirt" and sexualising.. its bullshit

wiggin6 · 2012-07-19T22:09:37+00:00

Here is an article on sexualualization in girls: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/17/6-year-old-girls-sexy_n_1679088.html

Psychologists at Knox College in Galesburg, Ill., used paper dolls to assess self-sexualization in 6- to 9-year-old girls. Sixty girls were shown two dolls, one dressed in tight and revealing "sexy" clothes and the other wearing a trendy but covered-up, loose outfit.

Using a different set of dolls for each question, the researchers then asked each girl to choose the doll that: looked like herself, looked how she wanted to look, was the popular girl in school, she wanted to play with.

Across-the-board, girls chose the "sexy" doll most often. The results were significant in two categories: 68 percent of the girls said the doll looked how she wanted to look, and 72 percent said she was more popular than the non-sexy doll.

dandeliondriftr · 2012-07-19T23:11:05+00:00

Fuck that bitch. I still kiss my dad on the cheek and hug him too, and there's nothing wrong with it.

CORNDOGCOMMANDO · 2012-07-19T15:58:25+00:00

If feminist really wanted to help young girls they could try and fight for better filtration of our water supply to get rid of all that estrogen from the birth control pill. I read in the past that's the reason young girls are developing at a younger age.

Arxl · 2012-07-19T18:33:22+00:00

There's Freud and then there's this. This woman is going a little overboard.

Scott2508 · 2012-07-19T18:38:14+00:00

lets remeber that this is the same greer who published the book " the boy" full of images of very boyish men in states of undress encouraging women to look upon them and celebrate their sexuality.

2012-07-19T19:21:17+00:00

Ahh Germaine Greer...no thanks I already know she is a fucktard.

2012-07-19T22:28:24+00:00

I think that the kind of kiss between a (normal) parent and a child is something so fundamentally different to that between two sexual partners that it ought to be a different word.

neilmcc · 2012-07-20T02:20:09+00:00

Her defense of the comment was gibberish. "There's all sorts of cultures."

How is that for straightforward? She was trying to defuse the outrageous shit she just spewed out by saying, well, not all fathers do that. Then tell us about these mythical fathers who are sexualizing their kids? The irony is that this was an underhanded response in itself when she just said girls should be taught to be "chaps" or whatever.

PlaySwitzerland · 2012-07-20T11:31:42+00:00

I'm a woman and when I started going through puberty my Dad did stop kissing me goodnight and hugging me. His physical-affection towards me stopped entirely because of this type of reasoning. I was so depressed and it really damaged our relationship. We are really distant now, because I felt he stopped loving me as much. We've only said "I love you" twice since puberty. The day he had his heart-attack and my wedding day. It is psychologically damaging. Never, ever stop hugging and kissing your children! Ever.

accountforthissimple · 2012-07-19T16:10:38+00:00

If she's talking about the practice of daughters kissing their fathers goodnight, which is what I think she said at first, then I can understand that there might be a problem in teaching that behavior since sons are taught it's too feminine to do the same (kissing their fathers goodnight).

So girls are taught that that behavior, kissing their father goodnight, is not only a symbol of loving their dad because their brother isn't able to do the same thing, but is rather a symbol that shows love which is tied to their sex and that they are expected to do, which therefore might encourage them to do similar behavior since it may be "expected" of them, as a female, to do so.

In any event, if she clearly said the problem was fathers kissing their daughters goodnight, then that would still be a problem if and only if the father only kissed the females.

MissCait · 2012-07-19T18:28:25+00:00

What a load of horse crap?!

Roddy0608 · 2012-07-19T21:30:13+00:00

I think she makes a lot of good points but now and then she makes me go "wat".

Ted8367 · 2012-07-20T00:52:36+00:00

Greer is just saying something she knows will be controversial in order to attract attention to herself. She has to do this because, these days, she's got nothing else.

2012-07-21T03:57:47+00:00

Germaine Greer... what an idiot.

2012-07-19T21:35:24+00:00

I suspect this isn't going to be popular, but when are we going to accept that children are sexual beings too? I remember my path towards being a sexual being started long before the hormones made it obvious.

DanHam117 · 2012-07-19T22:00:10+00:00

I kind of agree with her. I always found kissing among family members to be weird and inappropriate. I have two older aunts who I allow to kiss me on the cheek a couple times a year at gatherings, but everyone else just gets a handshake or a wave. I know it's a common thing to greet people with cheek kisses in Europe so it's not that weird to do it to a family member, but I can't even begin to imagine how awkward it would be if I tried to kiss or even hug either of my parents right now. It's just not something we do.

I'm not defending this lady, she's clearly crazy, but I do think there is something off about allow children to kiss their parents. But maybe that's just my family.

thrway_1000 · 2012-07-19T19:27:00+00:00

She probably meant the way you address the kid with it here's what she was aiming at:

"Alright kiddo, have a good sleep, MUWAH!"

vs.

"Alright honey, come give daddy a kiss"

See the difference? Would you be as likely to say the second one to your son?

Title	Kissing your daughter goodnight is Sexualising your child
Author	jesusandhisbeard
Upvotes	190
Comments	95
Date	July 19, 2012 12:42 PM UTC (14 years ago)
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