Cute: Women need their own special form of "Ad Hominem"

C0CKPUNCHER · 2012-03-02T21:10:21+00:00

Sounds funny too. I will actually try to remember this for dealing with trolls. Tu quoque.

TracyMorganFreeman · 2012-03-03T07:08:36+00:00

It's still an ad hominem. The irony is that whether it's an "ad feminam" or another kind of ad hominem is completely irrelevant to the argument, they're both fallacies.

Making it as if "ad feminam" needs to be distinct is in fact sexist(it's somehow "more illogical" when the reason is because they were a woman). Just like "mansplaining" is just an irrelevant relabeling of someone being a condescending ass.

And with this we have another chapter in feminist and really post-modernist sociology:

1) Make a claim

2) Change definitions of words or make up new ones

3) Profit.

Lecks · 2012-03-02T23:08:19+00:00

I lol'd.

hardwarequestions · 2012-03-02T22:45:17+00:00

god wikipedia is infested with feminists.

TheGentlemanZombie · 2012-03-03T03:12:52+00:00

Doesn't Hominem mean "human" more than just "man?"

ArdenLinoge · 2012-03-03T00:13:27+00:00

LOL.

Wordshark · 2012-03-03T16:21:10+00:00

On a related note, my favorite ad hominem is "check your privileges." It's a fully rationalized way of saying "your opinions are less valid because of who you are and the circumstances of your birth."

Hey, kids! Don't ever let anyone tell you that you matter less, or that your thoughts matter less, because of who you are! You are responsible for the decisions you've made, and not a damn thing else.

2012-03-03T15:20:27+00:00

"Ad hominem" has come to be one of the most misused and misunderstood logical fallacies there are. Personal abuse is not an example of ad hominem. Pointing out something about the individual you are discussing is not an example of ad hominem either.

Facts about a person may very well indicate or prove that a statement they have made is false, so it may be useful in an argument. For example: "I know that birds sleep through the winter". Pointing out that the person making that claim has never studied any birds, nor have they taken any classes about birds, nor do they know much about animals at all, would indicate that they have little grounds to make the claim. This is not an ad hominem attack, since what you indicate about the person directly affects the believability of their claim, and you are not saying outright "--therefore it is false that birds sleep through the winter".

Responding with "well, you have always been an idiot" is not an ad hominem either, but it is an example of verbal abuse. You are not saying anything about his claim, though you are implying that it might not be correct. Perfectly 'valid', though.

Responding with "that is not true because you have always been an idiot" is an example of both ad hominem and abuse. You are inferring from him being an idiot that his claim is untrue. Though the former may indicate it, in your mind, it is not a valid inference since him being an idiot has logically nothing to do with his claim (unless his claim happens to be "I am not an idiot", lol).

ArdenLinoge · 2012-03-03T04:21:27+00:00

Is there a way to use this in a way as to say "Oh great, this tired old feminist bullshit again"?

Ididerus · 2012-03-03T05:32:17+00:00

thought this referred to the circular and illogical arguments women use when confronted with bias and sexism in feminism. example:

male:"Divorce law renders men criminals and second-class citizens in order to extract money for the benefit of women"

female: "Man the fuck up and get a job you bum, you made your choice when you raped her (aka, buy a drink and have consensual sex)"

zaferk · 2012-03-03T06:48:31+00:00

You dont need ad feminams to discredit feminist philosophy. Just find the basic logical loopholes and thats it.

Liverotto · 2012-03-04T12:35:06+00:00

Ad Strigam.

An ad feminam is an ad hominem attack, used in attempt to defeat a woman's argument.

Like women could fucking argue logically.

I hope foreign country will finally "Bring Democracy" to the West and destroy this despicable Feminist Theocracy kept in power by castrated White Knights.

nepidae · 2012-03-03T01:22:18+00:00

I'm not sure what the issue is here. Using "that time of the month", whether an excuse for the woman to avoid doing something, or as an attack against a woman happens often enough for those things to have their own name.

2012-03-03T07:17:45+00:00

This is a legitimate problem, honestly. Women have had their reasonable arguments derailed instantly just by others claiming that they're on their period (or just female!) and thus need to "calm down" aka stop disagreeing with people.

But... turning into its own type of ad hominem argument? What's wrong with the terms for it that already exist?

Title	Cute: Women need their own special form of "Ad Hominem"
Author	malachi23
Upvotes	16
Comments	30
Date	March 2, 2012 8:28 PM UTC (14 years ago)
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Ad Strigam.