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If you plan to have children, you owe it to yourself and to them not to be a pick-me. Pick-mes can literally get their kids killed.

MerrilyMerrilyMe

September 3, 2021
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Title If you plan to have children, you owe it to yourself and to them not to be a pick-me. Pick-mes can literally get their kids killed.
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MerrilyMerrilyMe

Upvotes 314
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Date September 3, 2021 8:01 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
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[–]MerrilyMerrilyMeFDS Newbie[S] 171 points172 points173 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Abridged version of an admittedly long read (and a massive TW for abuse and violence): Pick-me marries NVM. Adopts daughter. NVM is a rapist who likes to break-and-enter women's homes, tie them up, and, well, you know--why dwell on it. Surprise surprise, rapist begins abusing adopted daughter. Adopted daughter tells pick-me mom. Mom accuses her of lying. Father eventually murders daughter when she's 14; claims it was an accident, but he's not the truthful sort. And pick-me mom?

--continues to defend him, until he finally confesses many, many years down the road.

When I look back on how careless I was with birth control in my younger years, and the abysmally low quality of men I screwed around with, I shudder. It's pure luck, and a slightly better-working bullshit detector, that this wasn't me. Don't let it be you, either.

[–]Hot_Procedure1648FDS Newbie 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, this woman tampered (assisted a criminal) with evidence she could have very much gone to jail for this Pick-me shit.

[–]GlitterLoveAngelFDS Newbie 113 points114 points115 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Possible TW:

Yep. This is why I barely sympathize with pickmeishas. Especially adults. My mother was a pick me and she literally didn’t do anything when my father was sexually harassing and assaulting me and abusing my siblings and I and now she tries to guilt trip and gaslight me back into having a relationship with both of them. “You’re just being overdramatic. You need to stop taking everything so seriously. He didn’t mean it.” I’ve experienced it all first hand and this even led me to believe that pick me's are worse than lvm.

And yes, my mother was abused as a kid. But it doesn’t justify her standing by and just let her own children get abused for the sake of male validation and attention. I’ve seen it happen with all sorts of murderers and narcissists who are usually male. They get sympathy after traumatizing people because of what they’ve been through in their childhood. It is not an excuse.

Like it wouldn’t be okay for me to go abuse someone just because I was abused so why is it okay for full grown adults to act that way?

I’ve even started self harming at the age of 9 and had my first ever su icide attempt at 12 mainly due to my mother's inability to grow up and actually protect her kids.

I knew ever since I was very young that this treatment was wrong and vowed to never treat my (possible) future children the same way.

So to any female lurkers here who happen to be similar to my egg donor: If you choose a man over your own children then you literally don’t deserve any respect and need to grow up. Don’t traumatize your kids, put them in danger and cause them to hate you just for a man. He won’t change. Realize that and move on.

Also just in case you’re wondering, the abuse that he’s doing and the toxic stuff that he says, he knows and is fully aware about what he’s doing. It’s not a mistake, it’s not a joke. Would you treat something or someone that you love and care for like shit? Then why is it okay for him to do that to the people you try to tell your kids that he apparently cares and loves so much? He’s doing that because he not only means it but knows that you literally won’t do anything about his behavior. You’ll take him back. He does what he’s allowed to do. Men are not kids, stop treating them as such.

And if you refuse to listen, don’t be surprised when your daughter gets pregnant at 16 or gets into a bdsm relationship where she literally gets abused and called slurs and think it’s love. My mother manipulated me into thinking that my father's abuse was his way of showing that he loved me and then she got surprised when I landed myself in a abusive 3 year relationship where I was literally treated like sh it but I continued to go back to him. Why? I didn’t know any better. Lol it’s not like I was raised to know my worth and know what a healthy relationship is like. I was basically taught by my parents I was worthless and a nuisance ever since a young age and I thought that I should feel grateful that at least some guy ‘loved’ me even though he literally put me through hell.

And I don’t like Dhar Mann that much but watch this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K-wwtd15n60

Treat your daughter like sh it and she’ll settle for less because her first love and relationships start with YOU. Treat your daughter with love and care and she’ll know her worth, won’t settle and will perhaps find a man who will literally treat her like a Queen. If she doesn’t, she knows she’ll be fine living on her own because if you raise your daughter to know that her worth is much more than how men feel about her and her looks, she won’t become a pick me looking for validation and attention.

[–]Sarcastic3FDS Newbie 28 points29 points30 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm sorry that you went trough so much pain and I hope you are doing better now. There is nothing worse than a pick me mom. They don't deserve to be mothers, they are monsters and are incapable of loving themselves or their children. Pickmeisha and NVMs are ruining future generations with their evilness.

[–]ashcantcatchabreakFDS Newbie 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m sorry for everything, and just a quick note - the adoptive mother was not abused - that was the story of the birth mother, who gave up the child for adoption

[+]modernmedusaa7 points 4 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I felt this in my bones.

I’m tired of willingly ignorant stubborn adult pick mes continuously taking their crap out on their daughters or putting their kids in harms way because they refuse to address their insecurity, anger issues and codependency problems

And everyone treats them as special victims when some are narcissists and knowingly ignore glaring warning signs and evidence their partner is a danger to them

There is nothing noble about being a pushover to abusive men and repeatedly taking back a clown who’s shown you he doesn’t care

There’s nothing noble about being in a miserable longterm relationship either

Some pick me moms genuinely view their daughters as competition and people with normal parents struggle to believe this

These pick mes take out all their frustrations on men on their kids but refuse to leave these men

It is not fair the kids have to pay the lifelong price given they have no say in who their parents are and what they do.

Some of these grown pick mes have been warned over and over by well meaning family members and refuse to listen. For actual decades.

It’s not simple naivety and them being tricked if they have been warned for decades and deliberately ignore glaring evidence. They have some self responsibility as well

But they have this special unicorn syndrome where they think everyone is jealous of them - like no you’re not that special. Men will abuse many kinds of women. You’re not special to misogyny.

They repeatedly ignore advice, think they know better or accuse people of sabotaging them & keep birthing kids to scrotes and clinging to them decades taking it out on their children giving them lifelong trauma and mental health issues

And it puts this unfair responsibility on the child to try protect their abusive pick me mother - so they don’t get a real childhood bc they’re in mental survival mode trying to avoid their moms rage 24/7 or her creepy partner.

This is how children learn to keep on trying to fix abusive people or think there is something wrong with them so they deserve it or they become codependent because they have no anchor at home.

They never learn their lesson, and constantly fall for mens sob stories but show little empathy to their own children? What’s that about? All the sympathy for misogynists but contempt for their kids?

Most likely because the kids tell them the cold truth out of concern and they don’t like it. Where as the man makes them feel (temporarily) good with lies

Internalised misogyny is a disease of the mind. It will rot everything around you if you don’t kill the root

And you’re right it does lead them into the arms of abusers because they feel no safety or love at home. They feel scared, abandoned and ridiculed which leads them to keeping shitty friends and men around just for company. Also as relief from the exhausting & abusive pick me mom

They have also been trained to tolerate abuse to keep a roof over their head so their boundaries in relationships are warped as they don’t know when enough is enough. And it takes them their entire lives playing catch-up and rectifying that damage .

Damage which could of been nipped in the bud decades ago if the ignorant Pickmeisha mother wasn’t such a narcissist obsessed with male validation

Then they expect all the sympathy when it all blows up only to do the same again & again & again

Everyone gets tired & sick of their ignorance. Because that’s what it is. They become ignorant martyrs who get off on feeling superior to their scrote.

I have no idea why they choose to live that way besides internalised misogyny

They would rather neglect and spare their kids to keep trying to force some failing relationship with some scrote of a clown

And what do they get in return ? Kids who want nothing to do with them (or hate them) and a useless scrote who doesn’t respect them & may kill them one day

Your kids should come before any man. You put them here. You are responsible for protecting them & raising them well.

If you can’t realistically do that - then you need to give them up for adoption.

Nurture your own grass instead of wasting your energy on rotten men

[–]huevos_and_whiskeyFDS Newbie 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I relate to this so much, with the exception of one or two details. Sometimes it can feel like the enablers are even worse than the abusers. They hide under this veneer of being “the normal one” or even “the good one” all while throwing the victim under the bus, withholding aide, etc. The betrayal cuts deep. Maybe even deeper than the abuse itself, because the abuser can be written off as sick, depraved, aberrant. But when “good” people do nothing… when they turn a blind eye or when they go so far as to condone and help cover up the abuse, it hurts that much more. Often, we blame ourselves, especially as children. What did I do, why wasn’t I worth protecting. It can take a lifetime to learn it wasn’t you, it was them.

Pickmes are enablers. Plain and simple. Just like the enablers who stay with addicts, narcissists, and every other stripe of toxic person. Pickmes enable LVM, predators, creeps, and so on. They’re just one subset of enabler, among many.

[–]__kamikaze__FDS Newbie 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m so sorry you went through that. I truly hope you’ve healed and are doing better now.

[–]Japanese_LasagnaFDS Newbie 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you have the means to do okay on your own, I’d definitely recommend cutting off all ties with your mom even. Your parents sound awful.

[–]need4patience 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for this ❤️

[–]Altowhovian93Pickmeisha™️ 51 points52 points53 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is horrifying. All these poor women, victimized and murdered by this one man. Bravo to the volunteer crimesolvers and the bio mother for trying to do right by her daughter,

[–]Peak_TreeFDS Newbie 37 points38 points39 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pick mes are dangerous to themselves, to their children and to all women around them. I know some women here say we have to be compassionate, and that's fine...but it doesn't imply that you can let your guard down around pick mes.

Try to help them if you can but keep your distance ( and your secrets).

[–]Adventurous_River_64FDS Newbie 28 points29 points30 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ugh this is terrible. I was just reading about the incredibly tragic story of the DeBarge family and it’s really sad how their mother didn’t protect any of the kids from their father’s abuse. Heartbreaking.

[–]Risas1239 25 points26 points27 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why I decided to never be friends with a woman with ongoing abusive relationships. My first encounter with it was when my friend reacted badly after I mentioned to her that she was putting her future children in danger because her husband was abusive (I’ve commented elsewhere about this but he yelled at me once and she did nothing). I could never with a clean conscience be in the lives of kids whose mother exposes them like that. They have a kid now and she’s still with this troll of a man.

[–]ashcantcatchabreakFDS Newbie 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The mother failed and betrayed that poor girl. She told her the sexual assaults were happening, and she didn’t believe it. The poor child. No sympathy for handmaidens or pickmes

[–]tooflyforyou 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ugh I felt this in my bones! My mother is a huge pickmeisha and has literally brushed off my sister’s molester because “he’s family” and complains how she never had any sons. It’s disgusting!

She also justifies her dad cheating on her mom and thinks being abused/cheated on by a man is some type of drama toxic love that should be glamorized.

[–]maskwearingbitch2020FDS Newbie 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

WOW! Riveting!!! Thank you for sharing that. Ladies....always trust your instincts!!

[–]t3ddiFDS Newbie 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have a PickMeisha coworker that I had the displeasure of spending quality time with on a trip that I regret planning. She confessed to coming to our workplace high (we supervise children) bc her asshat lv pressured her into staying up late/doing drugs with her and she is a loud and proud racist bc he is and it emboldens her. She comes from a very good family that is trying to get him away from her but she doesnt realize it fully bc of her entitlement. She is in her late 20s so should be starting to question her patterns but isnt. The difference between ppl who are abused to carry on that cycle or change for the better is a choice. And carrying on with pick me tendencies after your early twenties is a reflection of your values. You don't want to be around people who don't understand the importance of their values/dont know who they are because they expect you to do it for them and that is a boundary violation and an insult to your adaptability and intelligence to get this far on your own.

[–]fds_throwaway_4_uFDS Newbie 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pickmes are on the same level as men.

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