The Case Against Female Self-Esteem

blushinglilly · 2016-09-03T12:58:22+00:00

I think there is good self esteem and harmful self esteem.

Good self esteem helps you to look after yourself because you think you deserve it. Some of the most unhappy people who engage in self harming behaviours do so because they have low self esteem and don't believe they are worthy.

In my view good self esteem is the motivator behind a lot of positive things such as educating yourself, taking care of your environment, putting effort into your relationships and so on.

Harmful self esteem is the sort that is based in pride and stops us reflecting on ourselves and our faults in any given situation. This stops us from growing because we don't correct the negative behaviour.

I think both genders are susceptible to this although it might manifest itself in different ways.

StingrayVC · 2016-09-03T18:06:13+00:00

A woman with excessive confidence is like a man with a vagina.

This is the very heart of the entire article. Women absolutely FREAKED when this article first came out because we have all been taught since infancy that self esteem is the Holy Grail. Only when women think self esteem they begin to act like men. Not like women with feminine confidence. Quite frankly a woman with feminine confidence had the courage to be vulnerable and this is what men find so attractive in a woman.

Or, in other words: They’re encouraged to derive self-worth not from their inherent feminine nature but from their college degree, their job or the other illusory trappings of achievement in a man’s world.

I forgot how much I liked this article when it first came out.

Camille11325 · 2016-09-02T22:58:23+00:00

I thought this would be a fun post to discuss!

Before you respond please read the entire post and make sure that your comment is in line with the standards of the community. Yes he takes an unconventional position and speaks in a hyperbolic manner. These tactics are common on manosphere blogs and his tone should not be the focus on the discussion. Consult this post and this post if you need a refresher on proper disagreement etiquette.

I personally disagree with a college degree or job being points against a woman and I'm sure many of you do too, but don't fixate on it, we can have a conversation about the general argument he is presenting.

Special thanks to whichever user on TBP linked to this post, it's perfect for the sub haha :P

LaPrimaVera · 2016-09-03T00:43:12+00:00

If anything, having a college degree is a strike against a girl—unless it’s in something real like a STEM discipline—as it shows that she’s a conformist who thinks that credentials are a substitute for knowledge and experience.

I can see why some men would count a degree as a negative, the majority of women who use an arts degree to prove they are an authority on whatever unrelated topic. However this is really a symptom of a cruddy personality, having an education is not the cause.

The same goes for having a job. The vast majority of girls work useless fluff jobs: government bureaucrats, human resources and various other makework positions that exist to give them the illusion of independence. The jobs that keep the country running—tradesmen, miners, farmers, policemen, the military—are still overwhelmingly dominated by men.

Secretaries, teachers, nannies these are jobs that help society, by no means do they run society but they are still valuable. A business man can run the world but the kind work of his secretary will support him through this.

Feminists can screech as loud as they want, but they will never change this fundamental reality; men accord respect based on merit, and if girls want to play in our world, they’ll have to obey our rules.

100% yes, you can't play a mans game and expect to change the rules. Play by the rules or don't play at all.

When I first went on a date with the only girl I would have ever married, her hands were trembling in nervousness. She later admitted that she was openly intimidated by me and the idea that I found her attractive.

RED FLAG, RED FLAG! Sorry this just make the author sound like a damaged man who can't be around a woman who doesn't look up to him like a God. Respect not intimidation is the core of a woman's love for a man.

In order to love someone else, you need to be emotionally vulnerable, more so women than men (as girls are attracted to confident men). You need to be willing to open yourself up, to give yourself over to their judgment, to risk being hurt and rejected.

Eh? I think I'm missing something here. Men are the ones that should be approaching women, men are the ones risking rejection and hurt when initiating a relationship. To risk this, and to be able to handle it in the case that it does happen is a form of strength shown by men.

Game, at least as it was conceived by the seduction community, was all about this. All the hysterical nitwits blubbering about how “negging” and the like was designed to hurt girls’ self-esteem were precisely right

I don't agree with the male seduction community, everything I've read makes them look like the losers who just want to hurt and use women because "waaaaahh women hurt me, I gotta get them back to feel like a strong man"

On this note, I will add that self-esteem "beyond a low baseline to ensure they don’t commit suicide or become psycho stalkers" is needed in women. A woman needs the ability to recognize a man unfit to be a husband and farther and the self-esteem to move on from him to a better man.

thisisophelia · 2016-09-06T12:13:34+00:00

That article made the author seem like a very insecure man. And he has a very strange obsession with very fat women.

The only point I found interesting was the one about the female singers and the linked noisy article, because that's something I already noticed myself.

tintedlipbalm · 2016-09-02T23:48:35+00:00

I remember that post and I agree with it for the most part. Like you, I disagree with the college part, not because men care or should in the SMV, but because it's shown to factor in the RMV. I'm also more than done with all of the "only STEM matters" line of thought, you're only going to push women to act more like men when you say stuff like that, just as the feminists do.

StingrayVC · 2016-09-03T03:22:37+00:00

LOL! I love that you posted this. I remeber when this came out and people absolutely freaked. Matt had his bot out (can't remember the bots name) to mess around with the SJWs who commented on it. It had over a thousand comments if I remeber correctly.

I'm too tired to reread it and comment tonight but again, I love that you put this up here.

Title	The Case Against Female Self-Esteem
Author	Camille11325
Upvotes	10
Comments	40
Date	September 2, 2016 10:52 PM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/RedPillWives
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