What are your thoughts on MTGTOW?

johnnight · 2014-02-03T00:54:45+00:00

They are part of the solution. PUAs are part of the solution, too. TRP is part of the solution.

The solution is to create enough society-wide destruction for the problem to be noticed. When only 5% of people are affected by a problem, they get labelled as the losers, who had it coming and can be discarded. The system can afford to lose 5%. When the problem affects 50-90% of a generation, it can not keep being ignored.

MRAs on the other hand are trying to fix Rome. They are part of the problem.

Loot Rome, barbarian hordes. Don't try to fix it.

Piroko · 2014-02-02T22:10:26+00:00

It's a completely rational response to the current relationship dynamics.

charlie_bodango · 2014-02-03T01:24:20+00:00

I think that it is better than being a beta. So if women refuse to treat someone with respect/settle for them, it is not a bad thing to go your own way.

Cosmicandy · 2014-02-03T10:56:39+00:00

They drive the collective value of pussy down by refusing to orbit and validate the massive egos of modern women. Every MGTOW brings women one step closer to realizing their actual value.

To them I give a hearty god-fucking-speed in all their endeavours.

redpillbanana · 2014-02-03T07:42:40+00:00

Someone here once posted that when it comes to relationships, a man's greatest weapon is the ability to walk away. (I believe this was a best-of post for 2013).

Folks who are MGTOW are just exercising this option, except with ALL women and maybe society in general. They're saying, "I don't like your rules, so I'm not playing your game."

SoftHarem · 2014-02-02T23:02:18+00:00

http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1u6m3m/the_basics_explained_and_our_direction_for_2014/

"MGTOW

Taken from: http://www.mgtow.com/[5]

Level 1: Situational awareness

This level includes men who are aware of the realities that face them in society, and yet deem the risks acceptable to have a go at playing the game...

Level 2: Rejection of long-term relationships

Man who rejects all form of long-term personal relationships with women, including but not limited to marriage, cohabitation of any sort which might be classified as common-law marriage, picking up for a single mother's children, or any action which might be used in court to turn him into her legal indentured servant...

Level 3: Rejection of short-term relationships

Man who rejects all form of personal relationships with women, including dating, one-night stands, friendships, etc. Any contact with unfamiliar women is kept strictly professional and at a minimum...

Level 4: Economic disengagement

Man who refuses to produce more than is strictly necessary for his individual survival. He will limit actions that are punished by taxation without jeopardizing his way of life and acceptable standard of living..."

Obviously Level 1 is great, and something we here at TRP agree with, but everything after that is debatable. Level 2 does not include relationships, which are a valid sexual strategy, and Level 3 does not include Plates, also a valid sexual strategy. If you can find happiness within this framework, knock yourself out, but the meat of TRP will be focusing on Plates/Girlfriend game. Being the pragmatic bunch we are at TRP I honestly want to thank all of you MGTOW out there. By opting out of dating and society altogether you help drive down the value of pussy by no longer validating women, and you're less competition for those of us who pursue one of the other two strategies. Blaze a trail, gentlemen.

JonnieCage · 2014-02-03T02:39:38+00:00

I'm all for living life on your terms. I don't see any downside

fiat_lux_ · 2014-02-02T22:05:12+00:00

"They can go their own way."

rarlcove · 2014-02-03T03:26:20+00:00

Who is to say that a relationship with a woman is a good thing? We all agree that women have very little value compared to what we've been raised to believe. The difference is the regular red piller wants to salvage some little value from women by spinning plates and fucking them occasionally, while the MGTOW say "fuck it" to the whole thing.

I like to think of myself as MGTOW. If the right girl came along I might go with it, but I've worked hard to divorce my self-worth from women's perception of me, and I'm planning on keeping it that way.

draketton · 2014-02-03T02:31:47+00:00

It's the natural reaction to swallowing the red pill early in life. When you see the venomous, machiavellian side of women before you're old enough to do anything for yourself, you become scared of women. Not scared in the classic beta sense of "I don't want to hurt the feelings of a precious little flower", but scared in the sense of realizing that women can fuck you up bad if you botch your relationships with them. As an adolescent the fear is still there, so you go your own way, choosing to focus your time on things that don't seem so intimidating.

Now, no one can deny a man's biological drive to want sex. So as you become an independent adult and accumulate life experience, "I'm scared" ceases to cut it as an excuse. If you have any sort of eye for the future, you spend your MGTOW years putting yourself around girls every so often, without ever trying to become close to one. You also spend that time reading up on them using resources like the manosphere. MGTOW is a cocoon that you've got to break out of someday, and with a carefully formulated plan.

C_D_O · 2014-02-03T08:17:57+00:00

My thoughts are this: be honest.

Be honest and righteous in your actions. I.E if you're MGTOW because you've specifcally chosen that over other avenues, fine. But lets be honest, how many guys are MGTOW out of choice and how many are actually in a sour grapes situation - they can't get pussy, so they rationalize not wanting anything to do with pussy?

I dont care if I get downvoted for this, but I'm wagering a large percentage of MGTOW is the latter.

Granted some proponents of MGTOW are divorced men, they are in the later stages of life and they are sick of women. The difference is here, they've had bad experiences at all facets of the spectrum and want nothing more to do with them.

A 20 year old claiming MGTOW is usually doing so out of sour gapes. He is so woefully inexperienced with women that his only frame of reference is rejection for failing to be attractive enough - thats not the fault of women, just as its not your fault for rejecting a hideous looking chick. Attraction isnt really a choice after all.

General_Fear · 2014-02-03T17:08:59+00:00

This is my take on MGTOW.

A man might start off as a PUA. He bangs women left and right. In the blue pill world, a man gets tired of being single. Same goes for PUAs. This is the point of time when most men marry. BUT, if you are red pill, you will not marry or live with a woman because you know that divorce courts are out to destroy men. So what do you do . . .

It is at this point when a PUA becomes a MGTOW. As an aging PUA you will be tired of the scene. You have banged more women in a life time that most men. So what what do you do. Marry? No! You become a MGTOW. Yeah, you will go on the occasional date and such. And as an older guy you will occasionally bang a lady. But you will live your life for yourself.

MGTOWs never marry. Never have kids and never live with a women. They live their life for themselves.

dr_bloodmoney · 2014-02-03T04:16:21+00:00

You cannot be someone who is afraid of women or never had sex and say you are MTGTOW. It's an attitude that comes about as the result of many LTR's and/or marriage, having lots of sex and spending time with many different women.

I am not entirely MTGTOW. I date here and there and have sex if I feel the need to do so. The thing for me is that I find that I have become extremely selfish with my free time. I don't really want to spend it with a woman. I did that when I was married. I'm picky, so if I meet someone that can actually capture my interest then it's on. It's just a rare occurrence. And it usually doesn't last for long.

For the record, I am in a constant state of improvement. Intellectually and physically. I have many hobbies and I work out.

billnye_theRPguy · 2014-02-03T07:37:10+00:00

Depends. A lot of MGTOW stems from entitlement issues that the current generation of women have. Women seem completely unable to have any sort of foresight or empathy. This is a more reasonable MGTOW.

It also doesn't help that the current generation of men have no solid male role models and they were raised by women (often absent fathers). They don't know how to be actual men, so they see relationships as something where they'll be getting taken advantage of by some bitchy woman, so instead they get their sexual needs met through masturbation and play video games instead. This kind of MGTOW needs "fixing".

Abbrevi8 · 2014-02-03T00:33:12+00:00

Let them at it, less competition for the rest.

DoxasticPoo · 2014-02-03T19:15:26+00:00

If you need women for nothing other than sex and procreation, and if hookers are readily available and children are of no interest, why waste giving your time & attention to a woman? Keep it for yourself. Live your life. Love the things you love.

2014-02-03T15:39:27+00:00

Less competition.

rednukleus · 2014-02-03T02:28:54+00:00

‘In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony [woman's] blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.’ <tips fedora>
- MGTOW

Edit: the butthurt is getting stronger, yes, gooood, I drink your tears!

RedSunBlue · 2014-02-03T00:45:38+00:00

Mostly a cop out for men who are game-aware yet cannot face their shortcomings with women.

Clauderoughly · 2014-02-03T02:31:16+00:00

Pathetic losers who, rather than making themselves better men, give up completely.

Giving themselves such a pretentious title smacks of passive aggressive attention seeking, akin to the fat ugly kid who doesn't get picked for the team.

"yeah well, I didn't want to play in your game anyway!"

That kid goes out and buys a fedora that very night.

In summary

MGTOW are pathetic omega's, who are trying to talk themselves into the delusion that they are "Going their own way" by choice, rather than they never had a chance to begin with.

Pity them, for they are sad.

Edit: There are also incredibly thin skinned, whiny and sensitive.

abcd_z · 2014-02-03T04:37:25+00:00

If it's done to avoid drama, heartbreak, betaization and financial penalties, MGTOW is an unnecessary extreme.

Women have positive qualities to offer men, so long as the men can prevent all of the above from occurring.

Fortunately, they can. PUA polyamory completely eliminates drama from relationships and prevents betaization when its rules are followed.

The downside is that you have to be willing to let your women sleep with whoever they want, and you have to develop the skills necessary to sleep with women in a relatively short amount of time.

Arguably that last bit isn't a downside, but it does require some effort.

Title	What are your thoughts on MTGTOW?
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Date	February 2, 2014 10:00 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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