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It's November already, and International Men's Day is right round the corner! Are you ready to help make #️InternationalMensDay trend worldwide? We've made you some leaflets! All you have to do is hang them up, take a picture/video, and share it on social media with the hashtag!

Men-Are-Human · 2021-11-02T09:59:45+00:00

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November 2, 2021

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Title	It's November already, and International Men's Day is right round the corner! Are you ready to help make #️InternationalMensDay trend worldwide? We've made you some leaflets! All you have to do is hang them up, take a picture/video, and share it on social media with the hashtag!
Author	Men-Are-Human
Upvotes	217
Comments	68
Date	November 2, 2021 9:59 AM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/ql0urs/its_november_already_and_international_mens_day/
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IMD was initially intended to be celebratory, but I agree that it's definitely taking on the only tone that is acceptable for discussion of men's concerns in the current mainstream, which is a negative one.

I personally think we can't ignore the opportunity to talk about men's problems - suicide rates, homelessness rates, health issues, male victims of assault, rape, etc. and issues around the importance of fatherhood - so I think it can be balanced with the encouragement to celebrate the men and boys in your life.

But, as usual it will be spun as all "internal" issues rather than systemic ones. "Men have problems but they're all self-imposed because of their own toxic culture, and they're not as bad as women's problems anyway".

I try to combat this by highlighting specific initiatives for men, such as this one about male-friendly health services - to show that there are real-world changes that can make things better for men, not just telling men themselves to change. We're not the "default gender".

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Not saying that I necesarily doubt this either. Given how women's violence is largely excused, or ignored. But I will have to re-read some DV studies to speak more confidently on the matter.

Girls are unfortunately not given the Talk, about how they need to keep their hands to themselves. And I have had enough girlfriends issue casual threats of violence towards me. Even though Ive been fortunate enough not to be hit more than once.

None the less, sloppy or malicious presentation of stats can easily turn into a narrative of All Women Are Like That. And feminism already serves as a cautionary tale of how toxic such lines of thinking get.

Two wrongs dont make one right.

Edit: I just recalled another beating. Because I wasnt upset enough about her breaking up with me. But I will let that slide since we were both in 3d grade at the time, and basically a pair of stupid kids.

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Sorry about the delayed response. My work hours are seriously chaotic.

Why oppose the male urge to support and care for women though? I believe it to be a major contributing factor to why we even have civilization and society to begin with. Its a good thing... in moderate ammounts, as with everything. Any excess usually becomes dysfunctional.

Rather, I think there should be more of an effort to re-discover the female concern and care about men. Because despite what certain ideologies wish to claim, it seems like we are stuck in the same boat, and are evolved to co-exist in a functional way.

I believe it to be true that women by their nature, are not effectively capable of feeling compassion for men, to the same degree as men do for women (the supposed Empathy Gap & gynocentric In Group Bias). Evolution is neither fair or nice. It simply is.

But even so, I dont think the difference is a huge one. Women are still able to recognize that men belong to the same (human) race. And are on some levels, a necessity for their own continued existence. And that hence, helping men will also hold an indirect benefit for women.

When making the effort, we humans are able to recognize and negotiate other instinctive traits that can take on less than flattering expressions. For example, how natural xenophobia can turn into ideological racism, LGBT-phobia, or religious war when allowed to escalate, un-checked.

That is, when we make the effort.

One of humanity's greatest and most dangerous weaknesses, is how we are WAY too impressionable on a group level.

How long did it take for the Stanford Prison Experiment to turn abusive? 36 hours? Meanwhile we have been fed a continuous loop of this mythological Gender War for the past 70-something years. That is bound to leave an impact.

Feminism may be trying to use women as human shields. Claiming that any scrutiny of its claims is an attack on women as a demographic. ... even though 'woman' is a largely biologically determined identity. While 'feminist' is the adherence to an academically constructed belief system.

The two are not synonymous in any way. There are plenty of male feminist. Just like there are enough non-, or even anti-feminist women to make a difference.

So my point remains: MRAs seriously need to not repeat the feminist error. Of framing the other gender as the Enemy. Because we are stuck in the same boat. And do need to co-exist in a functional way.

I like how Karen Straughan titled the genders: Fellow Travelers.

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Im single, and currently not looking for any female company.

Not because Im feeling antagonistic... women are still my fellow human beings and I appreciate them as such. In terms of friends, colleagues and relatives.

I have merely become disillusioned about the prospect of romantic relationships, since I began paying attention to this Mens Issues stuff. Im still on the fence if I should have another go, or if I will have a more fulfilling life on my own. As of the moment, I cant come up with any valid reason to get involved with a woman.

So, no risk of DV. But thanks for asking. 🙂 I am however interested in checking out the venue anyway. For past stuff. And to ask for the sake of some friends who may have issues like that.

Im completely ignorant about Discord though. So I would appreciate some help getting started.

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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/can-a-woman-rape-a-man/articleshow/5733229.cms

https://swarajyamag.com/ideas/how-much-longer-will-indias-rape-laws-not-recognise-that-men-could-be-victims-too

From what I can see, "feminists" Vrinda Grover and Flavia Agnes made a lot of noise about this issue. The articles mention "other womens groups" but doesn't name any. Recent article(2019) says that Centre told the High court not to change the definition after "consulting with women's groups".

https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Delhi/do-not-alter-existing-definition-of-rape-centre-tells-high-court/article28277009.ece

India's laws do NOT accept that men can be victims of other male rapists much less women. The law does protect children (under 18 I believe). India logs about 77 rape cases (against women) everyday and 109 sexual assault cases against children. Many more go unreported. Post-marital rape is not considered illegal. And this is women only. There are no men's cases since under our law that doesn't exist. As you can see, we are a very ugly mess.

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I agree on the frustration of the double standard.

I don't think most feminists have any concept of how shitty it is to be held to higher standards all the fucking time.

Which is funny because a lot of them love to claim that women are held to higher standards than men in almost everything.

Sure, you might not get respect if you go out on a major tirade about
how you hate men and masculinity but at least people will listen and
feel like some of that anger is justified.

That really is a problem. A woman can on a complete rage filled tirade about how men are trash and people will jump through hoops to defend her and her rage. On the other hand a man can go on a rage fill rant about a specific woman and people will trip over themselves to tell him that not all women are like that. Definitely a difference in framing.

When women are angry the framing is to make sure she knows people are listening to her and that her voice needs to be protected but when men are angry the framing is to assume he is a patriarchal threat that needs to be dealt with.

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