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"Oh sorry your honor, I totally did not mean to recruit women into a sex trafficking cult and brand them with my initials. Like, sorry my bad, I totally reger it now that you've caught me". "Well, that seems genuine, alright, 3 years it is. Also, tell your male accomplice that he got 120. Kkthxbye."

JumpinOnThingsIsFun

November 1, 2021
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Title "Oh sorry your honor, I totally did not mean to recruit women into a sex trafficking cult and brand them with my initials. Like, sorry my bad, I totally reger it now that you've caught me". "Well, that seems genuine, alright, 3 years it is. Also, tell your male accomplice that he got 120. Kkthxbye."
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Date November 1, 2021 2:09 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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Comments

[–]Potatolover3 347 points348 points349 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Bro the sentence was literally 15 years minimum and she got 3 because she say sorry. The justice system doesn't work anymore. 1/5 the sentence because you say sorry? Thats bs. Id understand giving her the minimum sentence, maybe, but 3 instead of 15? Thats unacceptable

[–]itchyotcthy 82 points83 points84 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

good point... She pleaded guilty... in fact I've never thought before... to many movies and somehow ignorant but why should anyone get less time just because they pleaded 'guilty'... so this is one thing wrong with the legal system... plead guilty and reduced time rather than 'you did this and to bad... 20 years'.. Byeeeeee....

[–]TetraThiaFulvalene 73 points74 points75 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Because something like only 5 percent of criminal cases go to trial. If there is never any incentive to plead guilty, then the court system will see a workload increase of 1000%

[–]itchyotcthy 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

OK. thanks. got the point. Even if I think it is a ridiculous thing... but I get the point.

[–]je97 31 points32 points33 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

There's another angle to that however. The amount of people who plead guilty aren't just guilty people doing it for a reduced sentence, they're often vulnerable people being represented by lazy/overworked/just plain unprofessional lawyers who would rather it not go to trial so they can work on a shorter/less complicated/better paying case. These people scare defendants with how long the maximum sentence could potentially be and say how difficult it is to 'prove' they didn't do it, intentionally describing the legal system incorrectly in order to get the client off their books. It's disgusting and is the primary reason that these sorts of deals need to end.

[–]TetraThiaFulvalene 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, people taking two to not risk twenty is a huge problem, because even if you are guilty and even if you have the resources to fight it, it's massively risky.

[–]itchyotcthy 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Thanks. I understand this. makes it even worse... crazy system... really crazy is all I can say...

I also dislike how people can 'settle out of court'. I have an idea that this should not be allowed - once you start court proceedings then it has to go all the way through to the end... no matter what...

[–]je97 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well that is somewhat different since it's exclusively about civil matters. With those you don't have any coercive power forcing you to settle: your lawyer is one you've picked who should be interested in the case and the opposition can't throw you in jail.

[–]itchyotcthy 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ok. fair enough... but what I didn't say was that a lot of this is wasting peoples time and that is what I agree with. Who pays for the courts for instance ?? Citizens/Taxpayers... for what reason... ? I am just wondering and something I've thought about for a long time, that is all...

[–]HeligKo 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I would make bets that the plea wasn't for the same thing she was charged with, giving the opportunity to have a lesser sentence than she faced. That's how they have fewer cases go to trial.

[–]itchyotcthy 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ok. Get's more interesting.... to say the least.

[–]no_not_this 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She pled guilty to racketeering lol. Not even a sex crime so probably not even a sex offender.

[–]HeligKo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

gross, right

[–]TerrytheToeSucker 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's an incentive to come clean and save the courts and the state several tens of thousands of dollars on a trial by just giving the minimum sentence.

[–]itchyotcthy 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes... mmmm...

[–]Alarming_Draw 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

she got 3 because she say sorry

No.

She got 3, because she is a SHE.

[–]Got2Go 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The first thing you need to realize is that the United States does not have a Justice Sytem. People need to stop thinking of it in those terms. It is a legal system.

[–]dontpet 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, she also said it was the worst mistake she ever made. That plus sorry, hasn't she suffered enough? /S

[–]hottake_toothache 43 points44 points45 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. 3 years vs 120 years. Geezsh.

[–]jbuggydroid 117 points118 points119 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah... She basically got her wrist slapped.

[–]sikwidit05 81 points82 points83 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Aka r/PussyPass

[–]JayMeadows 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I loathe that this exists...

[–]Bascome 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The subreddit or the reality it reflects?

[–]JayMeadows 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Reality is pain.

[–]Ddad99 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was going to say that too....

[–]insanemetal187 32 points33 points34 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

She fucking branded them? So we are locking people up for decades for drugs but this shit just slides? This society makes no fucking sense.

[–]a-man-from-earth 28 points29 points30 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So we are locking people up for decades for drugs but this shit just slides?

Those people are men.

[–]JohnnyBagodonuts -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Wait till y'all hear about Brock Turner.

[–]MBV-09-C 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Okay, quick vibe check: what's worse, fellas? 3 felony sexual assaults, or starting a sex-trafficking group that blackmails, brands, and sells victims for over a decade?

Oh, but please, tell us how Turner is somehow worse.

[–]JohnnyBagodonuts -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I dunno, which one gets you jail time?

[–]MBV-09-C 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Both, apparently, and yet somehow one serves 50% of their sentence, gets their name blasted nation-wide, and is on the sex offender registry for the rest of their life, while the other gets what honestly should have also been a 15 year sentence minimum upwards of being 120 like her male accomplice depending on the severity of her involvement, reduced to serving 20% at best, 2.5% at worst, of her crime's sentence, isn't being publicized nearly as much, and no mention of going on the registry yet that I can find. So, why the derail?

[–]JohnnyBagodonuts -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's almost as if cooperation with the authorities somehow lessend her sentence, as is the custom in the American judicial system. But that doesn't fit your narrative, does it?

[–]MBV-09-C 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, to an extreme that I'm honestly not happy with in almost every case it happens, male or female. I'm honestly just confused why you even bothered bringing up Brock Turner in the first place, it has nothing to do with this case, this case is much more severe, he DID end up going to jail and going on the registry, even if it wasn't for as long as people wanted, and even in spite of that, he's become so infamous now that no sane person would want anything to do with him. So what's he have to do with this?

[–]JohnnyBagodonuts -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because Brock Turner is a clear example of the disparity in punishment fitting the crime.

[–]Beckamabobby 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She really plead oopsy daisies

[–]NoShitsGivenAtAll 28 points29 points30 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most judges are simps

[–]KenKaniff357 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's the same woman who plays the girl in the movie "Honey We Shrunk Ourselves."

It's also the movie that taught me that bananas are high in potassium.

[–]hendrixski 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why doesn't the heading of her wikipedia article show the charges against her? His page does, hers doesn't.

[–]AnxiousScientistDude 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

My ex wanted my initials tattooed on her (her first tattoo ever) when I knew deep inside that we were going to break up in the coming weeks.

I had to open the water works to convince her to get a different tattoo, and even offered to pay for it. Because I know another person's initials on your body can look like abuse.

[–]Pulagatha 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Would that be considered a trauma bond or the remnants of a trauma bond?

[–]AnxiousScientistDude 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Trauma bond is a completely different thing when a woman has an attachment to their abuser.

[–]Pulagatha 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're right. Sorry. My bad.

[–]GlassHurricane98 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Smallville just isn't the same anymore...

[–]Ignis_Vespa 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Similar case in Mexico. Gloria Trevi, a former tv star and now singer started a sex trafficking business with her husband, she was the one in charge of recruiting the girls under the false pretense of "you'll be famous". This was in the late 90's. He's still in jail, she's famous and rich like nothing ever happened. Worst thing, her fans defend her like "sHe wAS fOrCed!!!1!"

[–]CanadaHousingSucks9 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Noo. You don't understand you incel. The patriarchy made her do this. Besides there is a wage gap and we women have periods /s

[–]sleepyJoeBidet 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How much did she really help them prosecution ?

Without her would be not have been convicted ?

Or did the judge just feel sorry because she was also a victim ?

[–]itchyotcthy 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

that is disgusting ..

[–]EmperorHelix 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She needs to be executed. Selling people to sexual slavery would be punishable by death.

[–]NorpedHolland 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck this

[–]ThePigmanAgain 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Disgusting. But also an interesting example of how female privilege can clash with...er...female privilege. After all, female victims are supposed to be more important than other victims so one would expect a long sentence. But on the other hand, the perp is female. But, on the other other hand the vics are female...

[–]lupuscapabilis 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't even get me started with this shit. Watched the docs about this recently with my girlfriend, and all I could say to her the whole time was "wait, these women are on camera admitting all these horrific things they did to other women and now they're all just forgiven because some dweeb told them to?" I mean Christ, Charles Manson went to jail but so did the people who did the dirty work.

[+]RytheGuy97 -19 points-18 points-17 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You do realize that her “male accomplice” was the founder of the cult, right? Not some random sidekick to her as you’re implying.

If you want to slam your fist down and scream discrimination against men can you at least not intentionally mislead people?

[–]JumpinOnThingsIsFun[S] 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The title may be exaggerated, but the woman was not just a somebody. She was the cult leader's right hand, second in command. Actively planned and participated in recruitment and physical and mental torture of victims. 3 years for that.

Screw rhe ring leader - he got what he deserved. But did she? You do realize that if it were a man doing what she did, he would rot in prison? Think about that before trying to derail the issue with a weak straw man.

[+]RytheGuy97 -8 points-7 points-6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

She also cooperated with the prosecution of Rainier but again you just decided to leave that out to help your narrative. 3 years is obviously light but that’s exactly what happens when you cooperate with police to get a bigger fish caught - that happens all the time in criminal cases and that’s absolutely nothing new.

These aren’t straw men, these are legitimate points that you left out in favour of an obviously biased and exaggerated editorialization just so you can boil it down to just her being a woman and Rainier being a man. I’m not discounting possible gender biases in criminal prosecution but if you’re going to leave out important facts to contribute to a hive mind I’m absolutely going to call you out on it.

[+]JohnnyBagodonuts -9 points-8 points-7 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You're not going to get anywhere with these incels. The narrative has already been decided.

[–]JumpinOnThingsIsFun[S] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

🤠

[–]scyth3s 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

JFC stop using that word for everything you don't like. Just call him a disingenuous asshole and move on.

[–]Pulagatha -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What do you think of The Vow? The documentary that shows where Allison Mack was broken by Keith Rainere? Here's a link to Allison Mack's introduction to Keith Rainere. Link.

It is clear that she is naive and he is a predator. He is clearly using psychological techniques in the most selfish and cruel way. What he wants from her he is viciously after. He's using mimicry and telling her the things she is associated with aren't important and that he manipulates her into thinking he's what she needs. Even when he's telling her to have the other girls be branded you can still hear it in her voice almost whispering "Okay." You can kind of get the sense that it is dawning on her. Even at that point, she still thinks he is something other than a conman.

She is naive. He is cruel. He tricked her and, like a parent to a child, encouraged the worst aspects of her personality. And I'd argue even then, she internally fought against it.

[+]OldEgalitarianMRA -79 points-78 points-77 points 4 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

At least they got their man. Women were his inner circle, women are always victims.

Sorry Edit /s

At least they got their man means they just want to arrest a man and women were doing the planning but are still seen as the victims.

[–]TheStumblingWolf 53 points54 points55 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Username: "egalitarian"

Words: "women are always victims"

So little text, yet you still failed so hard.

[–]Valuable_Passion4938 33 points34 points35 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This has to be a troll just based off of the username

[–]SunshineMoonLit 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're right, women are so unreal dumb they actually can't think independently so they are always coerced making them the victim.

That's what you might as well say when you spout such nonsense. Amazing how women are so incapable of things (i.e. stupid as all hell) when it fits the narrative men bad, women good. Otherwise women are smart, strong, powerful, independent and all that. But oh man, a woman fucks up, she was the victim, coerced, she was depressed and the litany of other flimsy excuses that don't even fly for a freaking child.

[+]sleepyJoeBidet -42 points-41 points-40 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

These women were traumatized.

[–]dat_walking_meme 34 points35 points36 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yes, which is why one of the major ringleaders probably deserves more than 3 years of prison

[–]VeteranOfDepression 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, so why did she only get 3 years for it?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Because any woman or man dumb enough to join a cult like this deserves no sympathy

[–]VeteranOfDepression 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

With the time she got, she seems to have gotten sympathy for it.

[–]sleepyJoeBidet -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"cooperation with the prosecution"

Aka she was the most useful squealer. But I'm sure sympathy bias played a part in the judge letting that much weight be put on the cooperation.

[+]skepticalbob -11 points-10 points-9 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Eh, he was the mastermind behind her and other women doing the same thing. He was also guilty of different and more numerous crimes. But whatever grinds this sub's axe, I guess.

[–]ImportantResults 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Read please.

[+]skepticalbob -11 points-10 points-9 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

I'm aware of this story, having seen multiple documentaries and podcasts about it. She cooperated against Rainere. That's why she was treated more leniently. This is extremely common in trials with a head of an organization and their associates testifying against them.

[–]ImportantResults 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Right, and get three years. A total disproportion.

Anyway, actual stats back the fact that being woman grants you with an advantage in leniency compared to a man while being judged for the same crime.

[+]skepticalbob -12 points-11 points-10 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Again, she cooperated with the prosecution. This isn't unusual at all and when you completely ignore that to push some gender bias narrative it is transparent.

[–]ImportantResults 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Nobody gets such a tiny sentence for such a crime because of simply cooperating. Well, women can.

It's funny how you talk about bias now, just now I posted a table, which also sort of apply to the penal system.

Anyway, the data on how women are punished much less severely is out there, you choose to ignore it so you can point fingers.

[–]skepticalbob -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

This isn't unusual in these kinds of cases at all. You are just ignorant. Look at Henry Hill or any of a whole slew of other very bad actors that got very small sentences, many for much worse crimes than this. It's literally the FBI playbook they've done for decades.

But if you hate women, clearly it can only be because they are women. No need to even bother looking at other prosecutions.

[–]ImportantResults 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Watch Christina Hoff Sommers talking about this... hey she calls herself a Feminist! the empathy barrier should be lower!

[–]skepticalbob -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I've seen her before and she's an idiot. I'll pass.

[–]ImportantResults 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Such judgement and critical thinking!

[–]Life2100 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

only idiot here is you

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