I think the way women treat me is the way they actually feel about all men but just won't admit.

excess_inquisitivity · 2021-11-28T23:31:08+00:00

Your value is not determined by women, or by dating. Use your energy to benefit yourself and other men.

OilyGuardian · 2021-11-28T20:26:35+00:00

BoostedThrower · 2021-11-28T21:39:59+00:00

I can hard relate to this post, minus the fact that I would never get invited to anything, ever.

I've been called quite a few things from creep to disgusting which has gotten worse since I got in my 30s. I've completely withdrawn from society for the most part because I learned the way that society treats average and below men is just horrendous.

It doesn't help when you have facial droop, overexposed eyelids, and a massive nose as the icing on the cake to draw attention to every last bad feature I have lol.

All that being said, from looking at your post history, I think you still have potential before the point of no return. Coming from a hard blackpilled individual like me. Do all that you can to try and ascend over the next few years.

DouglasWallace · 2021-11-29T00:20:23+00:00

If you can be brought to a position where you are just one of a group, then you individually don't count.

To illustrate: think about cattle. If a single cow was right in front of you hurt and in pain, you'd feel sympathy and probably try to help, at least phoning up someone to come and help the poor creature. But unless you're a farmer or something, you never think of a cow, you only think of cows in plural. And you probably don't think or care about them very much.

So by reducing you from an individual male-person, down to just one of the 'class' of men, your feelings aren't important; your pain is not easily seen; your struggles in life are averaged out with all other men's successes; even your love is devalued.

This is not just feminism at play, in case you wonder. 'Man' used to mean (not so long ago) either a male person or mankind; 'men' would therefore refer either to male people or to all people. Our language—and most other languages are apparently the same—only had a specific distinction for female people. When you said 'woman' there was no ambiguity but 'man' was always potentially just part of the whole. Feminism emphasises this to make men not only relatively disposable and interchangeable but socially disposable and redundant.

The next part, underway since about 2005, is to dehumanize men. If you know your history, you know where that leads.

sorebum405 · 2021-11-29T03:10:27+00:00

One of the uncomfortable truths you learn as a man is that women generally will not have the same level of sympathy for your issues as you do for theirs.I made a post a while ago that has a bunch of studies showing that both men and women are more concerned about the suffering and victimization of women,and that people have a tendency to typecast women as victims and men as perpatrators.You can also see this play out in real life with examples like boko haram, and the exclusion of men from the inquiry to find missing and murdered indigenous women.Also, women have the ability to speak up about gender issues at their marches,but most of them don't talk about men's issues, and the ones that do get harassed by other women.On the other hand anyone can talk about women's issues publicly and it's perfectly fine

I don't know the exact reason for this, but I think it has to do with our reproductive roles.Men are valued for there ability to be the protector and provider, while women are valued for their ability to reproduce.Women being sympathetic to men's struggles is kind of antithetical to their mating strategy and reproductive role, while men being sympathetic to women's struggles Is pretty much necessary for their mating strategy and reproductive role.There is even this study showing that women prefer stoic men who work even when they have an illness as long term mates.

BreakinLiberty · 2021-11-28T23:07:28+00:00

BRO

you took the words out of my mouth…

I was talking to my gf the other day and she was like

“Why are you always so horny?” Mind you this was after she found out i like to watch porn from time to time. She’s fine with it but she doesn’t like that i “jack off” to other women on porn.

Well i tried to explain to her that Testosterone is something most women don’t understand.

Women only have about 15% the amount of Testosterone.

I had to explain that men are biologically like that and just because women can go without sex for years it’s not the same for men. Men look to date for SEX first and then everything else comes after. If we weren’t getting laid we wouldn’t even go thru the trouble of going to date! But women think that’s disgusting but ITS NOT it’s human nature.

We are born to reproduce which is why out bodies naturally go thru the trouble of everything from puberty to getting older…

They always want to look at the world thru their “lense” so when they see men acting a certain wY they think its wrong because that’s not how women would act

newyorkloser45 · 2021-11-29T03:50:31+00:00

How you look = how they treat you.

Lookism is prevalent, and strongest in women.

seeyeay · 2021-11-29T12:36:47+00:00

The crux of it all is that you have come out of it realizing you hold more value than your ability to get laid. There is more to life than the hedonist pursuit of sex. And though i know its difficult, being surrounded by these mindless apes who think only with their genitals, imo its much more honorable to recognize this fact than to be one of these mindless sheep.

I am sorry youve had such bad experiences in regards to this. I am sure it wont help much but i came to the same conclusion you did, but from the opposite end. Ive had women and men only look at me as a sexual object and it made me come to the same conclusion. There is such a thing as pretty privilege and i hope you can find someone who sees you for you. Though from my perspective its less important than finding that love for yourself.

Henry_Blair · 2021-11-29T12:59:04+00:00

All true. Thanks for taking the time to express this in writing.

UnconventionalXY · 2021-11-29T13:33:11+00:00

The harsh reality is that people discriminate and there are consequently those who miss out, resulting in envy.

The thing is, we rarely look at what we fundamentally want to achieve: only the mechanism by which it has traditionally been achieved and that straight-jackets us in our ability to achieve because it largely depends on the fickle discrimination of others.

Even if we have a relationship meeting some of our needs, that relationship can't meet them all and we still need friends and personal pursuits that don't involve our partner. Relationships can also involve being controlled by the other person and having to compromise or sacrifice what we want in order to appease them. Relationships aren't the bed of roses people imagine.

The only way to combat envy is to satisfy what we need by more available avenues.

Men are driven by their biology to pursue sex. As much as women might disagree or find it inconvenient, they don't have tons of testosterone coursing through their body to understand what it is like. However, there are ways to achieve sexual satisfaction without a partner: most men have never explored their full erotic potential either and multiple orgasms are completely possible. It's true that having sex with someone else adds an extra dimension, but orgasm is still mainly the payoff for sex.

As for having sex with someone else, I believe men are primarily focussed on the payoff, so it actually doesn't matter who you are having consensual sex with as long as you are both having fun. Sexual orientation can matter, but I think the reality that men in prison still pursue sex and they can't all be gay, suggests that it isn't as important as we make out, just that society has conditioned people to follow their basic instinct and not question it with a little homophobia added to police keeping to tradition.

Of course there is always paying for sex with a prostitute who is probably not going to question what you look like as you are paying for a service. Don't get hung up on paying for something: men have to pay for sex one way or another anyway.

Affection with a woman is conditional and can not be guaranteed: if you want unconditional love, get a dog.

What I am trying to say is stop wanting what other people hold you hostage in giving you: there are other ways to achieve the fundamentals that you are looking for, just not packaged all into one person. Make non-sexual friendships (these are important regardless and looks aren't as important as being someone who can be a friend); explore your own erotic potential for sexual fulfilment; if you need to explore sex with someone, don't be afraid to pay for it, especially to get over that initial virgin hurdle and discrimination; consider whether it is only women you might be comfortable in sharing consensual sex with, there are men who have sex with men but are not gay; if you want unconditional love (not sex), think about getting a dog. This doesn't mean you can't explore a relationship with women, but it's likely to be more frustrating.

Meeting your needs from a variety of sources will be easier than trying to meet them all with one person who might reject you for various reasons and if you lose one you haven't lost everything and can more readily replace what you have lost. One person meeting all our needs is not recommended for anyone anyway: it's not healthy or fair to load everything we want onto a single individual.

I believe in the mantra: grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference.

Good luck in your exploration.

jonnyhaldane · 2021-12-03T15:31:06+00:00

I have been out with female friends before and been shocked at what they call creepy. I’ve seen a guy come over, say nothing weird, just be friendly and bow out when the girls don’t show interest...and afterwards they call him “that creepy guy”.

Honestly I think many women make life hard for themselves with this behaviour. They just have terrible judgement.

tiredfromlife2019 · 2021-11-29T02:08:01+00:00

Its cause you are in their opinion a weakling and not attractive and thus a subhuman who is only worthy of contempt.

Those men who you call monsters are likely considered attractive for one reason or another hence they have intercourse with them whereas with you, you get hate and contempt.

Nothing that can be done about it under Liberalism. Its just what it is.

Henry_Blair · 2021-11-29T13:14:12+00:00

Listen, I commented before reading all of it. Listen, you are great, please, please please read Charles Bukowski, he lived a life like yours, he wrote poetry and novels, he gives solace and friendship to men in this position (and to women to), and to all of us - we are all at times in your position, but we are not allowed as before to say it, to talk about our lives, we need to abide with women's expectation that we will always talk about ourselves as calm and strong and hurt by nothing and certainly not by women, we all need to fill our chests with air constantly else women won't regard us as human, we are all sometimes like you, we're just not allowed to say it. Read him, and remember always: you are not alone, all of us are or have been in this position, for a short or long periods of time. You might be ugly, look for pictures of Bukowski - no man can get as ugly as this - and he loved and was loved because this was a different time, a time of love instead of a time of hatred as now, you are a man and have the male energy - I am not a woman so I can't sense it but I know that women sense it and since you rebel and stand up in this post I know you have the energy - and you could find love, I'm sure of that, keep being what you are, honest and moral, times will change, or you might move to another place, you are worthy of love.

Hedhunta · 2021-11-29T11:59:37+00:00

This reads like an incel fantasy post. If this is real get help dude. Like real actual help from a therapist or something. Yeah dudes have problems but so do women.

HeismanLock · 2021-11-29T14:41:23+00:00

Practical advice: hit the gym, get a new wardrobe, get a haircut often, don’t wear worn out shoes or clothes.

Appearance matters a lot to women.

Those are the rules to the game. Just be excellent at playing it.

Have a relaxed demeanor and great conversation

mikesteane · 2021-11-29T02:17:17+00:00

They raped her.

Any proof of this? Not just regret sex perhaps?

Edit: downvoted, but no answer to the question yet.

No-Feedback7437 · 2021-11-29T02:31:46+00:00

Women want to vilify something that they don't understand completely just because they don't have happen to them 🙄

bcapone27 · 2021-11-29T12:43:24+00:00

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TipiTapi · 2021-11-29T13:24:02+00:00

Lmao just the other day there was a post here complaining why people on other subreddits assume everyone that comments here is an incel and how unjust it is.

Well, this post being 89% upvoted is why.

OP, get professional help. You need it.

Title	I think the way women treat me is the way they actually feel about all men but just won't admit.
Author	Depressedbadger97
Upvotes	168
Comments	64
Date	November 28, 2021 7:44 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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