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Single mothers only may apply for funding... Who knew "universal" meant gynocentric....🤷‍♀️

dukunt

February 4, 2022
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/r/MensRights
https://www.fingerlakes1.com/2022/02/04/universal-basic-income-applications-for-375-monthly-payments-end-feb-7/
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Title Single mothers only may apply for funding... Who knew "universal" meant gynocentric....🤷‍♀️
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dukunt

Upvotes 288
Comments 54
Date February 4, 2022 7:12 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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Comments

[–]ShiZniT3 36 points37 points38 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

wow... if that isnt 100% sexist, then wtf is?

[–]Mode1961 33 points34 points35 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's because all single fathers and ALL Fathers get their Patriarchy cheque each month, so this is just an offset. /s

[–]63daddy 83 points84 points85 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Programs paid for with tax money should not be able to discriminate on the basis of sex like this. Such aid should be gender blind and equally apply to men.

[–]Kinexity 38 points39 points40 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

The whole thing is a lie. It's not "universal" - it's just free money for single mothers. Real UBI test should be done by taking in applications and choosing applicants at random.

[–]alclarkey 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

No real UBI should be the government just sends all individuals over the age of 18 a check.

[–]Kinexity 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Not just over 18. Everyone (those below 18 managed but parents). That's what the UBI.

[–]GreenFire317 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Under 18? No. Incorrect.

[–]GreenFire317 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

*21.

[–]Werwet10 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He said UBI test and not UBI :p

[–]McFeely_Smackup -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That's still not "universal"

[–]alclarkey 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, yeah, technically to be universal they'd have to be sending those checks to babies too. But I think we can let that slide...

[–]Yesyesnaaooo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No. That's just as important for UBI. Children too.

[–]AtemAndrew 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Alternatively, a secondary parallel program should be required for the sake of the other gender. For example, if a shelter is created for women, another equivalent shelter should be created for men.

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Only if what men pay into the aystem is solely for the benefit of men, and undrr their total control. Women can ear their own money now, so its basic equality and jistice to have separate finances of the national level.

[–]AtemAndrew 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

By that logic, people should only be allowed to use roads that they directly chose to contribute funds for. While I'm all for having more control over where taxpayer dollars go on an individual level, they are meant to help a larger group of people rather than just yourself.

[–]AdderallAllTheTime3 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I identify as a woman suddenly.

[–]AdderallAllTheTime3 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

hey free money is free money

[–]CrunchyJeans 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Universal means to everyone. Not just mothers. Everyone.

[–]Frank_Bianco 29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

Since men are the majority tax payers, it amounts to a communal child support payment.
I very much support a UBI as an economic stimulus. This isn't that.

[–]alclarkey -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

I very much support a UBI as an economic stimulus.

I don't. It's far from being a stimulus. What it really is, is "We take money from people we don't like and give it to people we do".

Also the idea of "stimulus" is a faulty one. It's like running out warm water for your bath, scooping some out of the right side and dumping in the left, thinking you're going to create more warm water.

Or there's an old Native American proverb that says "Only the government thinks it can cut one foot of the bottom of a blanket and sew it to the top, and think they've created a longer blanket"

[–]Visulas 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

“We take money from people we don’t like and give it to people we do”.

Absolutely not true. It’s redistributing resources from people who should never have been able to make billions in the first place to people who have 2 jobs and can’t afford rent. It’s also going to become more and more important as we struggle to find jobs to “make up” for the sake of keeping our current system.

In a perfect system, everyone is paid their worth and nobody would make billions in the first place. Sadly, our management of money and therefore society has already fucked up. So, what do we do? Keep people starving because the cheques have already cleared? Or figure out how to redistribute the mistake for the sake of prosperity?

Also the idea of “stimulus” is a faulty one. It’s like running out warm water for your bath, scooping some out of the right side and dumping in the left, thinking you’re going to create more warm water.

Only if you believe that the purpose of “stimulus” is to create money. It isn’t.

[+]alclarkey -7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

It’s redistributing resources from people who should never have been able to make billions in the first place

Who the fuck gives you the right to make this distinction? If you've got evidence that a particular billionaire has committed criminal acts to make those billions, I'm all ears. Otherwise kindly piss off you judgmental fuck.

to people who have 2 jobs and can’t afford rent. The billionaires didn't create that situation for them.

It’s also going to become more and more important as we struggle to find jobs to “make up” for the sake of keeping our current system.

This is called Luddism. It didn't pan out in the 1700's and won't pan out now. We don't need UBI.

In a perfect system, everyone is paid their worth and nobody would make billions in the first place.

The only reason this bothers you in the first place. It's an attitude born out of jealousy. The billions they have earned has nothing to do with you. Maybe try minding your own goddamned business?

Sadly, our management of money and therefore society has already fucked up.

Oh sure, but not in the way you think.

Keep people starving because the cheques have already cleared?

Nobody in America is starving. The high % of obese people who make up our population should tell you that.

Or figure out how to redistribute the mistake for the sake of prosperity?

Redistributing wealth never leads to prosperity.

Only if you believe that the purpose of “stimulus” is to create money. It isn’t.

That's what most of the big wigs pushing for are trying to tell us though. I'm well versed in the true reason for, it's like I said, all these redistribution of wealth schemes are just a way for us to take money from people we don't like and give it to people we do. You don't have the fucking right.

[–]Visulas 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

If you've got evidence that a particular billionaire has committed criminal acts to make those billions

You've misunderstood. I'm not stating a moral judgement on the people earning the money. The system is the problem. If the system worked perfectly, we wouldn't need taxes to redistribute anything. But due to flaws in the system, it's already been done. So what should we do?

This is called Luddism. It didn't pan out in the 1700's and won't pan out now.

Well, no. The point wasn't about technology. We aren't running out of jobs because of automation, we're running out because we're already doing so many 'automatable' jobs that we're struggling to come up with things that actually need doing. We're forcing people to work needlessly for the sake of not introducing things.

Automation is another problem.

Oh sure, but not in the way you think.

Insightful.

Nobody in America is starving.

America =/= World

The high % of obese people who make up our population should tell you that.

What? So the existence of obese people logically means that poor people don't exist? What are you smoking?

I'm well versed in the true reason for, it's like I said, all these redistribution of wealth schemes are just a way for us to take money from people we don't like and give it to people we do. You don't have the fucking right.

Look, if you truly believe that, then you're clearly not educated about it. There are valid reasons to disagree with the concept, but you really haven't cited any of them so far. Please have a look for yourself. Kurzgesagt UBI.

[–]alclarkey 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But due to flaws in the system, it's already been done. So what should we do?

Nothing. There isn't a problem. The system for the most part is working fine. These billionaires are not making that money by gouging people (mostly). I looked up the profit margins, the highest profit margin is thrift store operators at about a 100% (Don't think there are any thrift store billionaire tycoons). Then it was the pharmaceutical companies at 20%, then oil and gas at about 10%. They're billionaires, because they sell their product to billions of people.

We aren't running out of jobs because of automation, we're running out because we're already doing so many 'automatable' jobs that we're struggling to come up with things that actually need doing. We're forcing people to work needlessly for the sake of not introducing things.

That's funny, because 80% of the production line I work on is automated, and yet we can't seem to find enough people, and I'm stuck on mandatory overtime until the end of time it seems.

America =/= World

Show me a 1st world country with starving people. 3rd world countries have starvation problems due to the lack of education of their populations. They have plenty of farmable land that they aren't using correctly.

What? So the existence of obese people logically means that poor people don't exist? What are you smoking?

How naïve do you have to be? The greatest proportion of the obese, at least in America are among the poor. That's how much farther ahead of the world we are, that those we consider poor have more than enough to eat.

There are valid reasons to disagree with the concept,

I disagree with the concept because it makes people lazy and complacent, a good portion of the workforce will quit, and a good portion of those that are left will slack on their performance with the UBI to fall back on.

[–]Visulas 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing. There isn't a problem.

Troll.

These billionaires are not making that money by gouging people (mostly)

Absolutely untrue, they're gouging US citizens less than the sweatshops that a significant proportion of the biggest companies use. But the earnings and wealth gaps are getting wider, and not slowly.

because they sell their product to billions of people

With labor that isn't fairly compensated, that's the problem. As much you cry about 'nobody likes rich people', that was never the point. People being rich isn't the problem. But the extent of wealth and income inequality in the current system is perverse.

3rd world countries have starvation problems due to the lack of education of their populations

Oh really? I thought it was all the child workers who make our shoes for a few pennies a day... We've made enough food to feed the world for decades. Starving isn't a growing issue or a distribution issue, it's an economic issue. Why do you think there is a lack of education? Is it because of their economic might?

we consider poor have more than enough to eat

Another false equivalency. Having enough to eat doesn't make the system fair or acceptable.

I disagree with the concept because it makes people lazy and complacent

Wait, I thought it was the poor who were lazy and obese? UBI doesn't lead to laziness and complacency. Look at the research!

This line of logic that if we give people UBI they'll get lazy and unmotivated is tired and unfounded. We have studied this effect. The US government have done their own studies into how people use subsidies and benefits. Researchers have trialed UBI in many countries and found that, not only was it economically viable (context-dependent) and that people actually spent more time developing skills without drastic change to working hours.

Once again, UBI is not a perfected concept, and there will need to be a lot of discussion about it's implementation. But the idea that it's deterministically bad, economically damaging and inspires laziness without question is utter bollocks.

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Most of starvi g people in the wprld only starve because of their own shitty choices. If africa would stop murdering each other over what "god" is the real one, they'd have food. Meanwhole, every NGO involved there switched to building infrastructure bexause if you give nigga the food, nigga will sell the food, buy more ammo, and go murder the neighbour. Again. Then scream give me, im hungry...

[–]Visulas 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s unfathomably ignorant. Your username really does check out.

[–]tenchineuro 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely not true. It’s redistributing resources from people who should never have been able to make billions in the first place to people who have 2 jobs and can’t afford rent.

If you're claiming that Jeff Bezos and other billionaires will pay for this please post your source.

[–]Visulas 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure what you're claiming that I'm claiming.

Are you questioning that billionaires would pay for it, that taxes for billionaire would be necessary to fund it, or something else?

[–]tenchineuro 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure what you're claiming that I'm claiming.

You're talking about redistributing other people's money are you not? I suspect most people would object.

Are you questioning

I don't understand what you mean, so I'm questioning you for clarification.

[–]Visulas 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I don’t understand what you mean, so I’m questioning you for clarification.

Yes, I understnd the concept of a question. I was asking for clarification.

You’re talking about redistributing other people’s money are you not? I suspect they would object.

We redistribute money every year through taxes. I’m not sure what is controversial about this.

[–]tenchineuro 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I understnd the concept of a question. I was asking for clarification.

I was not making a point, I was trying to understand yours.

We redistribute money every year through taxes.

Is that your plan? If so good news, it's already in effect.

[–]Visulas 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Is that your plan? If so good news, it's already in effect.

Really? How wonderful. The existence of taxes, no matter how they're implemented or how high, ensure equality and fairness everywhere. So that's great to hear!

Here's me thinking economics was more complicated.

[–]tenchineuro 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Really? How wonderful. The existence of taxes, no matter how they're implemented or how high, ensure equality and fairness everywhere. So that's great to hear!

So there's more to your plan?

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What they made is for them alone. If you didnt, its because you are not good enough.

[–]Visulas 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably what they write on their cheques to the sweat shops

[–]Frank_Bianco 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Regardless of your feelings about UBIs, this isn't one. It's a man tax.

I could spout talking points; or aboriginal proverbs if you prefer, for days with regards to the benefits of a guaranteed income, but it's beside the point.

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

More likez stimulus of inflation lol.

[–]Daddy_Stop 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh god this made me so angry.

In what world is being a single father different from being a single mother? Other than the sexist stigmas men face when spending time alone with their children, they face the same issues with work time commitments, childcare commitments, and raising their children without a partner. Thats not the mention the complete lack of any meaningful paternity leave...

This is completely unjustified, sexist, and I hope to god people complain about this if it is actually funded by tax payers (even if its not!)

[–]ZidaneLoire 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Lol this isn't UBI. It's called welfare.

[–]Frosty-Gate-8094 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Welfare has a economic criteria.
This seems like free money for 'women'.

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Same worthless idea.

[–]IllOpportunity3029 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Single Dads need not apply? Wtf.

[–]BellEnd1980 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Report it. Take them to court. This is blatant discrimination.

[–]GreenFire317 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

File a class action.

[–]BalloonPilotDude 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

First, here’s a link for a more local news source than ‘fingerlakes1’.

https://www.al.com/news/2022/01/birmingham-pilot-program-will-guarantee-375-monthly-for-single-moms-heres-when-to-apply.html

Second, they’ve flown this under the radar in a major way locally because the city is broke, the county is broke, both have been and are being sued for corruption in multiple ways and it’s a very open secret that multiple mayors (including this one) and hangers on have been on the take for years.

So I’m not entirely sure how they got approved for a grant. And yes this should get shut down in court for being discriminatory but probably won’t be.

[–]killjoy_enigma 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As a man if i know the government will pay this. Why would I bother supporting the child myself

[–]alclarkey 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Never to mention that these UBI tests are a joke anyway. They are far from scientific, and as this article points out, they are never universal.

[–]GreenFire317 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Start a class action law suit.

[–]tenchineuro 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

  • Universal Basic Income: Applications for $375 monthly payments end Feb. 7
  • The program is called Embrace Mothers and gives single mothers $375 per month for one year.
  • UBI: Mothers can get $900 per month with this program
  • UBI: $850 guaranteed per month for 2 years
  • UBI: Claim $660 before deadline hits

OK, I followed one of the links and apparently there are many UBI programs, all for women only. And they pay different amounts.

[+]HipEvilMidget -11 points-10 points-9 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Apparently, several states/cities are doing this. All of the programs seems a bit different. Some are just for anyone and some just for single parents of any sex. There is at least one program I saw just for fathers. Not all programs are federally funded.

EDIT: Here's the link. Thanks for downvoting facts. smh

https://www.the-sun.com/money/3913005/universal-basic-income-payments-states-cities-where-when/

[–]ZidaneLoire 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Could you please link the one just for fathers ?

[–]HipEvilMidget 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

https://www.the-sun.com/money/3913005/universal-basic-income-payments-states-cities-where-when/

[–]ZidaneLoire 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

  1. Columbia

Struggling dads in Columbia, South Carolina can get recurring support under a city program.

Last year, 100 low-income fathers in Columbia got debit cards worth $500.

They will continue to get those payments for another 11 months.

Bro shout out for Columbia for being the only state that acknowledges single fathers exclusively, against about 4 or 5 states that only acknowledge single mothers exclusively. It's good to see though, at least one state. Ideally it should be single parents, but I guess equality has become a challenging concept for these people.

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