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UK: Mayor Sadiq Khan says children as young as FOUR should be given lessons on misogyny in bid to curb violence against women.

furchfur

March 14, 2022
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10609377/Lessons-misogyny-taught-primary-schools-Sadiq-Khan-says.html
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Title UK: Mayor Sadiq Khan says children as young as FOUR should be given lessons on misogyny in bid to curb violence against women.
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furchfur

Upvotes 319
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Date March 14, 2022 9:33 AM UTC
(4 years ago)
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Comments

[–]furchfur[S] 159 points160 points161 points 4 years ago (58 children) | Copy Link

The idiot is a total simp and man hater.

[+]Acrobatic-Drawer-870 -146 points-145 points-144 points 4 years ago (56 children) | Copy Link

Just because he is saying misogyny exists and society should fight against, doesn't tell us anything on what he thinks about men...

[–]Kindly-Town 88 points89 points90 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He's wrong about existence of misogyny among men from young age. In fact, misogyny is not even as prevalent as misandry is. All social media platforms have ToS against misogyny but actively allows misandry. So boys on social media never ever witness misogyny but misandry does often show up.

There are one or two incident of mass shooters in a year that kill women exclusively. All other 5-6 mass shooters kill whoever they see.

In most murders, there was no admission of the convict that he killed a woman because he hated all women. It's always some hidden intent and personal motive involved which led him to murder her.

[–]elonsmusketer 53 points54 points55 points 4 years ago (38 children) | Copy Link

youre so wrong snd dont even understand but even if someone explains it to you in a nice way youll still be willingly ignorant and ignore it

[+]Acrobatic-Drawer-870 -56 points-55 points-54 points 4 years ago (37 children) | Copy Link

OK. Thanks for letting me know what I would think

[–]elonsmusketer 32 points33 points34 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

nah you ignored the guy that replied to you and explained it to you Im not surprised no proof is ever enough for you

[+]Acrobatic-Drawer-870 -45 points-44 points-43 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I can't answer him properly. Because he's making assumptions about khan

And I'm not going to argue with him about his own experiences.

[–]elonsmusketer 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

thats not a personal experience most of it isnt

[–]Angryasfk 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Khan’s another of these leftie ideologues. He was a true believer in Blair’s “third way” (including the Iraq War presumably). He was then a true believer in the Mandelson view of the world, and then in the unreconstructed Trotskyite Corbyn. How can you possibly be a full fellow traveller with all 3? About the only thing that guy seems to really back is identity politics (“vote for me, I’m not white”) and apparently adapting the rest of society to fit better with Islam: he was the main driver behind the push to give Sharia courts official status.

[–]triplenipple99 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link

Yes, when someone like yourself is so ideologically aligned, it's quite easy to predict your beliefs.

[–]Acrobatic-Drawer-870 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (31 children) | Copy Link

I am here to challenge my beliefs and learn. From my time here, i relaise there are lots of things I agree with mra on

I am not trying to be inflammatory, just asking questions

[–]triplenipple99 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago* (30 children) | Copy Link

thanks for letting me know what I would think.

That is neither a question nor non-inflammatory.

[–]Acrobatic-Drawer-870 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link

No and that's fair. But people making continuous assumptions about me/ my beliefs/ ideology is pretty frustrating. I am sure people here could empathise with that.

Being an mra ~ some women assume you hate them. I have seen for myself that isn't true

[–]triplenipple99 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago* (28 children) | Copy Link

You seem to have some pretty anti-male beliefs for an MRA.

This article is literally about innocent little kids being treated as if they're innate misogynists and you defend it. If you're here to gain a new perspective, let me give you my two cents:

Imagine your demographic constantly being dragged through the media, being associated with terrible sexual and violent acts, seen to have an innate advantage and desire to take advantage of others. Imagine the youngest, most vulnerable members of your demographic being painted as hateful monsters in the making. Imagine "experts" seriously discussing how your gender's innate traits are toxic and this being societally acceptable. Imagine how that would warp your understanding of the world, especially when you're simultaneously blamed for terrible things you've never done or weren't even alive for.

Imagine if your success was seen as an obstacle to others. Imagine if comedy shows normalized aggressive behaviour towards you and domestic violence charities rescinded any acknowledgement that you too can be a victim. Imagine if discrimination against you was seen as a societal success, listed in a section of exceptions in discrimination laws which only ever applies to your demographic. Imagine having zero governmental representation in debates about equality. Imagine raising any of these issues and being branded an angry misogynist. Imagine having entire university courses created to analyse a false view of your demographic throughout history, that always comes to the same conclusion: that your demographic is evil and you perpetuate this evil through your success and very existence.

Perhaps, if you could understand the feelings these realities breed you'd learn to notice these jives when you see them. Teaching male four-year-olds to not be misogynistic while having no paralleled debate is one of these circumstances.

[–]Acrobatic-Drawer-870 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link

There were other mras in the comments who said it wasn't so bad. Not sure why I am getting all the crap. Point your anger somewhere else, I am bored of it.

At not point have I even disagreed with you.

[–]GodBirb 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Yep you’re right. There’s stats to back this up, and whilst it could be argued men don’t come forward enough when they are the victims, there’s nothing wrong with looking at the stats and realising that 1 in 7 against 1 in 25 women vs men having been injured by a partner suggests that the violence is more one-sided.

I think that what these people are annoyed with though, is that there’s no reason to not teach about misandry causing female on male DV. Doesn’t take away from the cause of helping women, but it also helps the men who are often underrepresented in the world of DV support.

[–]Acrobatic-Drawer-870 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

And I agree with that wholeheartedly. Men should get the resources they need to help support them. I'm not sure why I got downvoted so harshly ha. I went through this with someone else in the comments. There are studies to claim that at school ages, boys are more likely to bully girls, than the other way round ~ so the misogyny lessons may be to try tackle that

It isn't to suggest the reverse doesn't happen. But you can't resolve all issues with one brush

[–]solartotem01 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Boys are more likely to bully period. Saying that boys are more likely to bully girls would be a misrepresentation of the bigger issue.

[–]Acrobatic-Drawer-870 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

That just isn't true.

Boys are more likely to physically bullied. Whereas girls are more likely to be bullied. Boys are more likely to engage with bullying.

If you find evidence or data that proves I am wrong, show me.

[–]solartotem01 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Me

boys are more likely to bully period.

You

That just isn't true

Boys are more likely to engage with bullying

You completely skimmed over the main point of my argument about misrepresenting the bigger issue of bullying only to agree with my opening statement. Why do you separate physical bullying from bullying? Do you just want to focus on the bullying that girls face?

[–]Acrobatic-Drawer-870 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

You said I misrepresenting something , and I am not.

All bullying is bad, obviously. It all needs tackling. I was speaking specifically about how girls are impacted differently

What I am saying is - further anti bullying lessons should be aimed at boys.

[–]solartotem01 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

There are studies to claim that at school ages, boys are more likely to bully girls, than the other way round

By this statement, what do you mean by "than the other way round"?

[–]Acrobatic-Drawer-870 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

The other way round meaning - girls bulling boys. It's doesn't happen as often

[–]gratis_eekhoorn[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He is the same idiot who thinks "women should'nt go to prison at all except for the most serious crimes" and he is actually working to see to that.

[–]Alarming_Draw 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Deputy leader of his political party, Labour, recently announced "I am determined to see a female Labour leader"....

I thought Labour were done with this feminist man hating shit once they kicked Corbyn out?!

[–]delocalelectron 83 points84 points85 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

'Kids are these empty cups, you can pour beliefs into.' Jeffry Lyons - Boise State University.

Filling girls with fear, and boys with unearned guilt should work out well for the future/s.

[–]WEEBforLIFE24 33 points34 points35 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

hitler also tried pouring his beliefs into children,that didn't end very well

[–]delocalelectron 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

'The State must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the Government is perceived as working for the benefit of children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty, and almost any deprivation.' Adolf Hitler.

He was a crafty b*stard, Hitler. As are feminists, be they male or female. Although I suspect that the word cunning has a female root.

[–]JamesChen19 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I've been "instructed" how not to rape a girl in my secondary school. All that was extra pressure on me when asking a girl out, and eventually losing my virginity, etc.. I delayed it for a while because I was scared of being accused of sexual assault. Then after I lost it I realized most girls don't give a fuck if you "ask for consent" the right way. You don't stop a makeout session and say "can I fuck you?" right in the middle because it ruins the mood and is creepy. You work your way gradually with foreplay, and if she says no, you stop. It's hotter that way. Asking for permission at every base is weird, and both men and women can agree on that. Fuck this new age feminism bullshit.

[–]Angryasfk 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of it comes from lesbian radfems who don’t want to sleep with a guy anyway and would prefer it if other women didn’t. Some of them see all heterosexual sex as “rape”.

[–]isleno 72 points73 points74 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I’ve said this before, I’ll say it again. Every additional dollar of money towards ending violence against women, should be directed towards convincing women to not physically attack men. We have reached a point of diminishing returns with men and boys. Most all of them are convinced, “it is never okay to hit a girl.” And you’ll have some that can control themselves and some you won’t. We now need to convince women and girls that it is never okay to hit a boy. The reason being, the number one predictor of a woman becoming the “victim” of domestic violence is her her perpetration of violence

[–]furchfur[S] 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I totally agree with you but the "powers that be" will never change their policy.

1) Money is involved.

2) It is also about controlling and policing men generally. Feminist policy as we all know is not about equality.

It will back fire on society. You are seeing it already when men avoid relations with women. Men not helping women who are in danger for fear of repurcussions.

[–]Eedoryeong 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

"The powers that be" are nothing more than a very vocal minority of women who bully the rest and broader society as a whole, manufacturing an illusion of broader consensus than there is.

This is why men and the people who love them need to organize, lobby and demonstrate.

In South Korea they just did this and changed the election outcome! They publicly identified a contentious gender issue (2 in fact), formed a voting bloc around it, and moved unilaterally against a corrupt common enemy. Actual equality-minded humans can do this!

[–]LokisDawn -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah. I'm pretty sure Feminism (from the 70ies on) is mostly basically a CIA operation. The division in society is exactly what they arw aiming at. Dividere et impera.

[–]Beaniifart 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Anyone that is not an active MRA will read that link and literally just close the tab and ignore it. So many great statistics get brought up in here all the time but for some reason we are some of the only people who seem to care to look at it.

[–]Distinct_Pea_8801 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Ok, hold up.

  1. It’s a self-report study
  2. It’s not within a clinical setting
  3. It was a 3 question survey
  4. Violence using a weapon, choking and burning were all excluded forms of violence.

Study is meaningless as are its results.

[–]isleno 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m guessing you don’t have a background in research.

Self report studies are very useful when studying interactions between two populations (e.g. have you hit someone or has someone hit you.) Here they compared how often women said they physically assaulted men and how often men said they were physically assaulted by women. Both groups reported that women assaulted their partners more than the other way around. That is a useful insight.

Not in a clinical setting? It sounds like you’ve heard about clinical studies before and thought you’d try to use the phrases, which is cute. Most studies are not in a “clinical setting” and not being in a “clinical setting” does not invalidate results. Also, how would you propose to study DV in a “clinical setting”? Just throw a bunch of men and women in a lab room and see if they start hitting each other?

Also, they didn’t exclude those other forms of violence. It says they didn’t include them specifically in the questionnaire, which means they asked the question they didn’t specifically list those as forms of violence. So if an idiot took the survey and read question 1: “have you ever been a victim of DV to include being punched, slapped, kicked, etc.” and the idiot thinks “well I’ve been choked by my spouse, but it didn’t specifically list choked out so I guess I haven’t been a victim of DV.” That is what that means.

Anyways, you’re dumb. Your points are dumb. I award you no points and go read a book.

[–]Distinct_Pea_8801 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The clinical setting for DV is the criminal justice system. I’m a lawyer and legal researcher by profession, and all of the self-report data is incorporated into the trials of these people, so studying criminal outcomes is the clinical analysis. And the main issue with DV is that most victims are ashamed: a confounder when it comes to self-reporting. It would follow that the study participants would be hesitant to expand responses beyond what is actually asked.

[–]Kindly-Town 66 points67 points68 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Mostly these extreme male feminists have done something terrible in their past so they say these things to cover up their guilt.

[+]Acrobatic-Drawer-870 -44 points-43 points-42 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

What a ridiculous thing to say

[–]Kindly-Town 55 points56 points57 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Coming from a feminist article itself: Dear Louis C.K. & Sexual Predators Hiding in Feminist Communities: We See You

This has been noted many times that very prominent male feminists were later turned out to be sex offender, child molesters and domestic violators. They are just using feminism's name to hide their guilt or avoid being noticed.

[–]WEEBforLIFE24 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

he's a politician,they all commited some crime at some point in the past

[–]masterdarthrevan 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Definitely happens, my old friend was uber misogynistic, like paper thin boundary around DV , coercion and Rpe. This guy didn't let "no" stand in his way if he wanted it. Now he's the opposite, uber male feminist, makes excuses for misandry and bad female behavior, and blames most if not every thing wrong in the world on men, and will never take the side of a man no matter what. We are no longer friends because of this attitude and he doesn't understand why.

[–]C834 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

#notallmalefeminists

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Indeed. He feels guilty for the s#it he’s done. But he feels far less guilty if he can kid himself (and others) that all men are like him, but since he’s now “seen the light” he’s actually better than most of us. Pathetic. But falling for that bs is even more pathetic.

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Much of what they say sounds suspiciously like a confession. Like plenty of supposedly “repentant” rapists, they try to make themselves look better by “spreading the blame”. I’ve heard a convicted rapist claim any man could be a rapist. Not meaning that you can’t tell a potential rapist by appearance or position, but that any man could simply become a rapist! It’s clearly trying to offload some of their guilt onto others to make them seem “less bad”: “oh I’m just an ordinary guy, no worse than anyone else. Everyone has to be taught to not be a rapist, nothing wrong with me in particular.” Surely you can see the self serving nature of such claims.

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 30 points31 points32 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's good for the MRM. Then boys from the very earliest ages will know they are second class citizens and the death of four women means all men need to be trained like dogs from toddlerhood. I think it will backfire...obviously.

[–]rabel111 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Your view of this is consistent with recent surveys of young men, which are finding increased distrust of feminism in younger generations of men. This kind of indoctrination will breed generations of disengaged, alienated young men and boys who will find acceptance and belonging in other social frameworks.

[–]aigars2 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How about violence in general and teach to everyone? No?

[–]Myth_5layer 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

How about we just teach kids to be kind to everyone and leave it at that.

[–]SeerUD 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Exactly. Surely this should be the aim? Why even bother teaching this kind of specific thing and creating more inequality.

[–]4l0N3D 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At the end of the day they still want division instead of unity, with division they have forms of control.

[–]delocalelectron 26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's take kids who lack any critical reasoning abilities and brainwash them with one-sided propaganda. This sort of stuff is evil. They know that the effects can't be undone. Ever.

Hate to use hyperbole, but these people are raping the minds of children.

Perhaps if education were to focus on literacy, numeracy, and getting the best out of people, we wouldn't be facing such a dark future. The lights are going out, right across the western world.

[–]Adelb1 40 points41 points42 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Very good initiative. What about violence against men by women?

[–]aknabi 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Heck they’d want the little tykes to walk a down a line of the girls in the class throwing punches and names to let them “experience” the “trauma of misogyny” early in life. Think I’m being overly hyperbolic? Maybe, but suggest nonsense like this around a feminist group and see the consideration it gets.

[–]SuninMyPalm 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

doing that is just gonna fill the kids with malice and spite. good way to spread misogyny by preventing it

[–]Adelb1-17 points 4 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

I understand you brother. But put your trust in GOD and in your religion. Those who know truth, will know what is right and wrong. Those that create rules as they wish would only path a way of darkness for future generations.

I'm very blessed to know, that GOD is here and loves us all equally. He has given men and women rights over one another, with responsibilities that complement one another. Have faith, vote and know that you're not alone when it comes to acknowledging misandry. GOD bless you and I hope one day you meet people that love you and appreciate you.

[–]WEEBforLIFE24 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

which one ? there are lots of gods

[–]Adelb1-11 points 4 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

May GOD guide you. Many blessings to you

[–]WEEBforLIFE24 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

WHICH ONE ????

[–]solartotem01 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The one who tells followers to blow up innocent people, fly planes into buildings and throw people deemed "sinners" off buildings.

[–]Embarrassed_Ant6605 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Everyone knows that Sadiq Khan is a fucking twat

[–]LondonDude123 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah Sadiq Khan and his "no-go zones" that dont exist, huh...

You wanna stop violence against Women? How about this radical idea, called "Go and arrest the fucking Grooming Gangs operating up and down the fucking country!"

Oh wait. Thats "racist".

But telling kids that Men are all evil and horrible ISNT "sexist"?

Sure buddy. Fuck you!

[–][deleted] 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–]WEEBforLIFE24 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

fun fact : some men also don't go out at 3 am to go to the club because they might get robbed,but they are disposable in sadiq's opinion

[–]MBV-09-C 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There's also certain parts of town I don't go to where I live, because I also have common sense and know those areas have drug dealers with guns, I have no clue why some people think men aren't afraid or vulnerable to that stuff, we enjoy not dying too.

[–]WEEBforLIFE24 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

exactly ! just because the human instinct tells you going on a dark alley late at night isn't a great ideea doesn't mean you're opressed

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmao.What a cuck

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Funny coming from someone support cutting in newborn baby dicks. ☪️

EDIT: But seriously. Islam is notorious for controlling women though fear and intimidation. Either though honer killings and acid attacks like Turks and Afghans for example do. Or thought laws like in the Arabic countries where women can’t leave their own house without the company of male relatives (for their own protection of course). Androphobia, the fear of men, and large scale interactions with Islam correlates.
India and Nepal has a long history of interacting with Islam, and women and men as groups has horrible relationship with each other, resulting in lots of misandry and misogyny. Europe, including the UK, has just started to interact with Islam on a wider scale, with correlates with the relationship between the sexes worsening as a result.
Noticed how, those who don’t take violence towards women in Islamic communities seriously, by ignoring the murder of Theo Van Gogh and dead treats against Hirsi Ali, are the same who spread the misandrists bs like #YesAllMen etc.

Jihad is deceit. Source

[–]GG1312 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Newborn “boys”

But they think it’s unethical to do it to baby girls

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Which it is. It is extremely wrong to cut in anyone’ genitalia without their consent.

Nevertheless, I edited my text above because I had something more serious to say.

Sorry for how it makes your comment look. I will gladly highlight, for anyone reading this, that at the time you wrote your comment, there were only the text above “EDIT” in my comment, so that was the only thing you could have commented on.

[–]The_Devil_Memnoch 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How about lessons that teach compassion, and that violence against others, not just women is wrong.

[–]Mythandros 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What a complete moron. This idiot needs to be voted out.

[–]Anih1list 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure, but they’ve gotta do one on misandry as well

[–]dukunt 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wonder if he's ever even seen a vagina in real life...

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Also tell them then as men when a woman hits them they aren't allowed to fight back or they will be the one at fault.

[–]Cristhian_Loayza -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

instead why not go and arrest all the muslim gangs operating in the country

[–]GulchDale 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting non sequitur, but ok.

[–]Rockbottom503 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This shit coming from the person at the helm of the knife crime capital of the world.

[+]TelevisionAdept6947 -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Even though I am a mens-right supporter, I don't see the problem with this tbh. There is nothing wrong with saying misogyny exists

[–]TechTankie 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course misogyny unforunately exists but these are the same people who think misandry is a myth and think women do completely nothing wrong.

[–]rabel111 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There is everything wrong about focusing on misogyny while ignoring misandry and other forms of violence.

It's the erasure and ignoring of victims on the basis of their sex that reveals the hateful misandry of this approach. Any education based on this onesided extremist feminist approach will only breed more inequity and violence.

[–]TextDependent6779 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

saying misogyny exists is fine...

to anyone who isn't FOUR YEARS OLD. way too young to start thinking about this stuff. young children should get time to have a black and white, heroes vs villains, good v bad world.

when you start exposing then to political ideas like discrimination, something that often isn't born purely from evil, you portray anyone who is discriminatory as evil.

discriminatory people are not neccasarily evil. be it through upbringing or personal experience, discrimination can often be far more complex than on the surface. that complexity is something 4 years old children simply cannot grasp. whether intentional or not, exposing children to issues like this will only lead to manipulation.

don't mistake me. discrimination is ALWAYS wrong. however, it doesn't have to be evil

[–]Greg_W_Allan 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't see the problem with this tbh

He wants to target pre-school aged boys and you see no problem? I pray you are not allowed any access to boys at all.

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[–]Kindly-Town 36 points37 points38 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Lessons on Misogyny does not equal hating men.

It does if the assumption is that boys are misogynist by default.

[–]BeepBeepYeah7789 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's the rub

[–]furchfur[S] 28 points29 points30 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

More violence is comitted by women on men than the other way around.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-are-more-violent-says-study-622388.html

[+]Acrobatic-Drawer-870 -18 points-17 points-16 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

That's from the year 2000. Anything newer?

[–]mouldysandals 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

‘that study didn’t produce the results that fit my world view… got anything newer/different???¿’

[–]Acrobatic-Drawer-870 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't even say I disbelieve the claim that men are more likely to be victims. I just want some data to back it up.

[+]Acrobatic-Drawer-870 -7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Asking for an up to date study is logical.

It's illogical to form opinions or cite something that may or may not be 20 years out of date

[–]mouldysandals 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

they analyse data from hundreds of years ago up until 2000, sorry it didn’t yield the answer you were after but the date isn’t the issue

[–]Acrobatic-Drawer-870 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

OK fine if you want to use it

'Yet men made up nearly 40 per cent of the victims in the cases that he studied - a figure much higher than previously reported.'

It doesn't even say women are more violent than men. Just more violent that was once thought

[–]mouldysandals 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

and then check if that proportion is the same as those convicted of it

hint: it’s not

[–]Acrobatic-Drawer-870 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

OK fine. But you've just changed the goalposts. You're probably correct, but that wasn't what you first claimed

[–]mouldysandals 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

what did i first claim?

[–][deleted] 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Acrobatic-Drawer-870 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Again. That's off topic. You don't know my views on that, so don't presume you do

[–][deleted] 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]Acrobatic-Drawer-870 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What makes me a troll? Asking for reliable studies? Or asking for studies to back up claims?

[–]UnfurtletDawn 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You can look at CDC's national intimate partner and sexual violence survey summary 2010.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_report2010-a.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiDyO-h5MX2AhUFi_0HHXcZCucQFnoECBIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0llriZBfbRzw1sTJS4AmLh

On page 48 table 4.1 and 4.2

Lifetime and 12 month Prevalence of Rape, PhysicalViolence, and/or Stalking Victimization by an Intimate Partner

Physical violence in last 12 months

Women victims: 4 741 000

Men victims: 5 365 000

National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey: 2015 Data Brief

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/2015data-brief508.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjtwc7u5MX2AhX3gf0HHZZDAwcQFnoECCwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1xXVpPDAnqBMFZPvtxyQj1

Page 24 and 26 table 9 and table 11

Lifetime and 12-Month Prevalence of Contact Sexual Violence, Physical Violence, and/or Stalking Victimization by an Intimate Partner

Physical violence in last 12 months

Women victims: 3 455 000

Men victims: 4 255 000

Yes this one is from US but the difference shouldn't be that high.

[–]Acrobatic-Drawer-870 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Cool thank you3

This is what I was after. I wouldn't claim men are or aren't more likely to be victims without some credible data. So I'll look into it. Thanks again

[–]UnfurtletDawn -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No problem. Saw plenty of really mean responses. Don't take them too seriously.

[–]WEEBforLIFE24 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

so trying to brainwash children because they were born as males is ok ?

[+]Acrobatic-Drawer-870 -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well yeah. Lessons on misandry wouldn't and shouldn't be considered women hating. So many double standards round here

[–]Lhwing 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Instead of teaching children about not discriminating anyone by gender you're singling
out boys and telling them to not discriminate girls, the implicit message is the issue.

Imagine a class with children now you tell the girls that they should protect themselves from boys and you tell boys that they should not attack girls:

girls are going to expect violence from the boys and a certain point will normalize that because "boys will be boys", they will also be more tolerant of girls on boy violence.

the boys are going to expect themselves to be violent towards girls and normalize that, while they will also be more tolerant of girls violence on boys.

[–]Greg_W_Allan 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Correct. It's more related to hating little boys.

[–]BuddyTubbs 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I thought Muslims were Red Pilled

[–]Fean2616 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Politicians lie.

[–]ACustomWarframe 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'mma say 8 firstly, at the lowest, and if you do this, teach against misandry as well bc impressionable kids will think "if boys mean to girls then boys bad" which will make our sitch way worse, and ALL children regardless of sex, should have to learn it. If this happens.

[–]Bigb5wm 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Honestly I don’t think the kids will understand that concept at 4 years old.

[–]TextDependent6779 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

honestly, wouldn't be surprised if a lot of kids were like:

"why bully?"

kids just do not care about characteristics like race or gender at 4 yrs old, not unless we make them care.

[–]C834 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the literal state of the uk rn be like:

[–]dungeonmonkey69 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just heard about Scotland making mysoginy a hate crime yet not misandry... Wtf is wrong with the UK??

[–]SnooMarzipans5669 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Libtard.

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circumcision ok though???

[–]Imdefender 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminists don't have kids.

They have youres.

Stop having kids.

[–]gorgonrock 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hear he can put his legs all the way behind his head.

[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I notice that when it came to attacks by Islamist terrorists (at least one of which seemed to deliberately target women) Kahn just wrote it off as part of living in a big city.

Why does anyone vote for this POS again?

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