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Do Schools Discriminate Against Boys?

rbrockway

March 29, 2022
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Date March 29, 2022 4:52 AM UTC
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Comments

[–]offtable 51 points52 points53 points 4 years ago (46 children) | Copy Link

Yes, the school System is not for boys.

[–]rosewiththornzzz -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (45 children) | Copy Link

The school system is not for anyone here in America. The year I graduated high school 15 girls had been raped and the school swept them under the rug

[–]offtable 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (44 children) | Copy Link

Thats not what we're talking about. We are talking about education.

[+]GiantDairy 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (43 children) | Copy Link

Be specific. What is it exactly?

[–]offtable 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (42 children) | Copy Link

That boys have a disadvantaged im school, because the Way school system and the way we teach are not in line of how boys/men learn, they are more in line of how women/girls learn.

Boys are arguementitive, they want to try things out, more around more, less agreeable, etc... Which is all the traits that are deemed wrong in school.

On the other hand, girls are quiet the opposite. You tell a girl "go study, learn this pharagraph verbatum and see you tomorrow on the test". Girls are more likely to obey and do that. Boys wont. They'd rather go out and play football or something. Boys have much less care about authority aswell.

Basically what school does is that they took the charasteristics of a girl, decided "this is a good drone behavior and we want drones" and they reinforce these behaviors and punish the others.

This is why you see so many boys failing schools and why women graduate college more than men. That, and because colleges are becoming woke propaganda machines and women tend to study something usless degree and men rather go into trades to make money.

[+]GiantDairy 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (35 children) | Copy Link

Girls are not argumentative? Are you joking me bro?

What the hell does “more around more” mean? Do you mean “move”? If boys are “less agreeable” how could we possibly arrange school/the world around that?

These “traits” are not acceptable in workplaces. What good does it do to accept them at school?

We’d all love to “go out and play football” instead of work/school. Are we helping boys by telling them it’s cool to indulge that impulse when work needs to be done? How does the modern workplace accommodate that?

Schools and teachers don’t want drones, they want critical thinkers. But you have to sit down, read, respectfully engage in discussion to do that. How are boys supposed to learn while running around the classroom freely and leaving whenever they want to go play football?

[–]offtable 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (34 children) | Copy Link

Yes, girls are less arguementitive. Not joking.

Yes, I was meant to write move around more. You can teach boys how to use their disagreeableness for the better of themselves, their loved ones and society. Disagreeableness is not a negative trait.

These traits are essential in workplaces. Fight for your wage, be able to trade for your benefit, stand up for yourself and others. And when men work together, they can reach the impossible.

I wasnt referring to going out playing football (which I doubt girls want to do, most girls dont) instead of school. I talked about afterschool activity. Homework, tedious studies. Instead of expecting the boy to read countless pages, show them in practice. Let them play with the ideas with their hands. They will understand much better in practice, than on paper. Thats how their brain is wired.

The modern workplace is everything about "do" and school is everything about "say". The System we have now is not compatible with the workplace.

The school system we have now is essentially creating drones. -dont think for yourself, read the pages, say it back to me verbatum. -you can only have lunch at X time, you only have X time freedom, school follows you home with homework. -obey without question. -sit silently for hours.

This is what a drone looks like. And schools are propagating this behavior.

[+]GiantDairy 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link

How is disagreeableness not a negative trait? How can it possibly serve someone?

Note that this is distinct from “assertiveness”, you seem unaware of the difference.

How do you learn literature by playing with your hands? history? geography? Philosophy? All studying is “tedious”, yet there are many male scholars.

Workplaces today are not all about working with your hands. Most require you to be agreeable and work with a team. Listen to instructions. Watch details. Higher order thinking is required.

No one teaches children to memorize things as a rule. This is not how contemporary school works.

[–]offtable 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link

Disagreeableness allows you to bargain better. To hold yourself to a standard and others. To protect yourself and to protect others.

Not all studying tedious. You can learn history by seeing the history. You know, we do have technology that allows more than paper. Geography aswell. You can learn philosophy by talking and showing examples.

Agreeableness and teamwork are useful and needed in a team environment. And boys can work As a team very well without having to teach them. We are like that. We see a goal and we work for the goal together. We only need the motivation.

Yes, many schools still expect children to memorize. And they grade memory over practice.

[+]GiantDairy 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (31 children) | Copy Link

Disagreeableness makes people dislike you. That’s it. If you don’t like people, they won’t like you. You can’t be a dick to people and expect them to promote you or give you a raise.

How can you “see history”? Do you mean like a movie? Explain how disagreeable boys who would rather go out and play football are going to learn from going to a museum.

I am a certified teacher. We were taught to make accommodations for boys that allow for more physical movement, but there isn’t a lot else to change. We are not trained to make kids memorize, because they don’t actually learn that way.

[–]rosewiththornzzz -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I don’t know what generation you grew up in. These days schools don’t care about anyone’s education. My education suffered greatly because of the faults of teachers thinking that education should be a one size fits all when it’s not. I honestly do think you’re looking from all the wrong angles. Everyone’s education is suffering. Not just boys. Not just girls. Boys are allowed to act up. Girls really don’t focus as much as boys would like to believe. Bully’s are allowed to push the weaker kids around. Kids like to call the lonely girl sitting in the corner a slut. Confident boys are being accused of just being misogynistic jocks. Girls can be raped on school property and the school will do it’s best to sweep the story under the rug. And everyone’s education suffers because of the expectations teachers hold them to. You wanna know the secret of how most girls do graduate tho? They cheat. They all cheat. They’re clever about it to. That’s the only reason most girls pass. Why do they cheat? Because they too have been held to this robotic like standard that they’ll more than likely obey if teachers say to do your homework and study for the upcoming test. Education is not a one size fits all. And it does not work anymore for one gender than it does the other.

[–]offtable 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Thats why girls get better grades all around school, and finish highschool and college at higher rates with better grades? Hmm. Okay.

Im not saying schools are made for women to prosper. Schools are shit alltogether, mostly. But the Way the systems are built it does seem schools favor girls over boys.

Boys arent allowed to act up. Idk where you got that nonsense.

[–]rosewiththornzzz 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yup. Most of them will scratch the answers from their study review into the bottom of their water bottle

[–]offtable 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well, if youre not willing to understand what the other is sayingy idk why youre engaging

[–]rosewiththornzzz 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m not saying I’m not willing to understand. What I’m saying is I see the argument on the feminist sub all the time that girls education is suffering while mentioning nothing about boys education. I simply like to make the argument in both that both genders education is suffering

[–]RingosTurdFace 37 points38 points39 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. So much so in fact that even the normally woke/feminist BBC covered it:

https://www.bbc.com/news/education-31751672.amp

[–]Puzzleheaded-Heat174 31 points32 points33 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In one word : yes

[–]pacsatonifil 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes and we all know about it and nothing has changed. I used to think single sex schools were dumb, but now I think we need them more than ever.

[–]Lord_of_Entropy 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wish I could upvote this more than once.

[–]Inevitable_Cup_70 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes.

[–]Styles_Jh 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah

[–]buficek7_CZ 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

From my own experience I can say: yes, they do

[–]YoungQuahogMoney 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course they do. My story:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pettyrevenge/comments/t4dta2/false\_accuser/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3

[–]Marty-the-monkey 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago* (76 children) | Copy Link

Yes, and the problem is that it's a very inherent and systematic discrimination, which has come about over decades (maybe even centuries) of developments within the educational institutions.

Condensed and simplified for expediency:

Education, pedagogy and didactic have gotten a reputation for being primarily fields for women. Taking care of children and educating youth is something women do, and men who want a career doing that are, in extreme situation, seen as lesser or sometimes creepy. The prestige within these fields are, in a lot of circles, non existing.

This has created a perpetuating issue of primarily women being in charge of education (from kindergarten till grad school), which means women (naturally due to over representation) get to organize and decide which values are important to imbue the institution with.

So gradually, the ideal student have basically become the sweet and attentive little girl, who does her things, keeps organized and stays within the prescribed expectations and never rocks the boat.

All the ideals we used to have for women, the teachers have carried over from generation to generation. The good and proper girl from finishing school slowly became the ideal student at large. The values we normally attribute to boys (and tomgirls) were cast aside and devalued in an educational setting. And since it's these people who also excel within the institution, they perpetuates these values when they are put in charge (it gave them success, so it should work for everyone else too).

Non of this are deliberately or intentionally done to discriminate (despite it being the result), making it so much harder to talk about, because it falls within the same systematic problem as racism. It's systems upon systems and traditions of 'how we have always done' resulting in the current state.

Subsequently, it also means that the solution to this is to push and incentives men to be more active in the educational fields, which are the moment (as mentioned) considered so low on the prestige totem pole to make most men not want to.

[–]NoLettuce7713 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I agree with a lot of this, except that it's not all about prestige.

As a former teacher, I didn't leave the job because of lack of prestige or pay (I earn less now).

The job was just messed up. It had all the pretentions of a modern profession and none of the benefits. No work boundaries. Multi-tasking to an extreme degree. The expectation of being a counsellor, disciplinarian, subject matter expert, trainer and assessor, and then spending hours standing around in the hot sun supervising children and putting up with squalid office conditions.

In my country, a huge proportion of teachers (male and female) leave the job in the first 3 or 4 years. Just raising the pay is not going to fix it.

Finally, there used to be more male teachers (it's been in freefall for the last few decades), so the argument that it's because it was always seen as a female role doesn't hold.

But it's true that pedagogies, curriculum and even the flow of the school day have been changed over the years to favour (in general) the way girls learn.

[–]Marty-the-monkey 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

It wasn't always seen as a female vocation, since the church used to teach people.

I do believe I pointed out it was the current iteration that had been more female centric and that's the one I was referring to.

In terms of prestige; I'm using it as a somewhat condensed shorthand which consists of, amoung other things, payment. Jobs with low prestige tend to be not only paid less, but also seen as undeserving og higher pay (justified or not). That teachers in some countries should be paid more is an important aspect, but in itself as a complete separate aspect it's not as influential as prestige as a whole. You mention yourself that it effects women and men both in your country.

I do believe I also mention that it isn't just about payment and more about insensitivising men to want to go into the field. That can be done in many different ways, not exclusively monetary.

[–]NoLettuce7713 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Despite the massive gender imbalance, there certainly doesn't seem to be a lot of interest in incentivising men to go into education, especially compared to, eg. the amount of focus on incentivising women to go into STEM fields.

I pointed out that I don't think the issue is primarily about pay. I think the job itself needs to undergo radical, root-and-branch change before it can even be treated like any other professional field.

I mentioned earlier that teachers are expected to wear way too many different hats. But here's what really shocked me when I was doing my education course: Instead of criticising this state of affairs and pointing out how unreasonable a work environment it creates, we were treated to messages about how wonderful teachers are because they manage to do all these things. It was the epitomy of the traditionally female stereotype of the martyr. "I cook and I clean and I look after the kids and I do it all without complaining because all I need is to see the looks on their happy little faces."

Now, I know this isn't the case in other work fields where women also dominate statistically, such as nursing or counselling.

[–]Marty-the-monkey 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Despite the massive gender imbalance, there certainly doesn't seem to be a lot of interest in incentivising men to go into education, especially compared to, eg. the amount of focus on incentivising women to go into STEM fields.

Absolutely agree, and that was the point I was trying to convey in my initial comment. I was also where my usage of prestige were intented to come into play. The STEM fields are considered the most precious fields to be in (because math is hard, right) whereas education still seem to live under the derogatory idiom: 'Those who can't do, teach'. IE. No self respecting man should want to teach, since it shows he is unable to practice whatever he has resolved to teach instead.

It was the epitomy of the traditionally female stereotype of the martyr. "I cook and I clean and I look after the kids and I do it all without complaining because all I need is to see the looks on their happy little faces."

I have seen people both here, on other sites, op-eds and even straight up politicians openly state that teachers shouldn't be paid more, because it's a job to be considered a 'calling', implying that teachers should just reside in the fact they then need to live like impoverished monks.

Now, I know this isn't the case in other work fields where women also dominate statistically, such as nursing or counselling.

Here in Denmark the field of nursing is filled with your very well put formulation above as well.

[–]NoLettuce7713 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I have seen people both here, on other sites, op-eds and even straight up politicians openly state that teachers shouldn't be paid more, because it's a job to be considered a 'calling', implying that teachers should just reside in the fact they then need to live like impoverished monks.

I agree about the problem of seeing it as a 'calling', but again I want to state that I don't think pay is the main issue, and I don't think it's going to be solved by paying more.

[–]Marty-the-monkey 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And I agree to an extend. Having also lived in the US, I can tell you their pay is borderline criminal. It's not a universal issue, but some countries severely underpay their teachers on top of underappriciating them.

seriously, it is not uncommon in US public schools that teachers have to provide their own material e.g. pencils, paper, erasers and so on. Not just for themselves, but the students as well. Paid out of own pocket. That is just appalling

The argument of a monetary incentive could generate an initial bump in potential candidates to make the job more appealing. It's not a permanent solution by any stretch, but in showing appreciation through financial backing might make some consider a career in the field, starting a process of making it less gender-one sided.

As it is now, the financing of the education sphere at large (in some countries) illustrates an honestly baffling disregard of a sector which has been proven by OECD as one of the most important for economic growth for a nation.

While I agree that a much more systemic reform of the system is required, it is moot if male candidates can't be drawn into the field. It then become a matter of how to create an environment where education, pedagogy and didactic are seen as equally prestigious endeavors to pursue. This can initially be achieved with a monetary incentive even if that's a short term solution.

Though to underline my point: I fully agree with you that it is in no way the only (or even most important) step in solving the discrepancy. It's just a tangible place to start.

[+]GiantDairy 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes it is. Especially in nursing. Still opposed to teacher's unions?

[–]NoLettuce7713 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why would I be opposed to teacher's unions?

[+]GiantDairy 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Exactly what has changed?

[–]NoLettuce7713 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There's been a number of articles published on this over the last 10 years, but I haven't got any on hand right now.

In terms of pedagogy and assessment, an example would be the rise of long-form assignments in place of traditional tests and examinations. These are, of course, statistical generalisations, but it's been argued that girls tended to do better at the former and boys better at the latter.

In terms of the flow of the school day, it is argued that the time and freedom given to students to engage in physical play during the day has been cut back over time, and that this disproportionately affects the energy levels and concentration of boys.

[+]GiantDairy 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you suppose when girls where not allowed in school, the teachers allowed a lot of outdoor play time and short assignments? LOL

Teaching to the test requires rote memorization, which another guy on this thread already said somehow benefits girls. But you want more tests?

Adding physical movement into class is something we already do to accommodate lots of kids. But it’s not something that works well with 16-18 year olds. They feel ridiculous.

[–]NoLettuce7713 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you suppose when girls where not allowed in school, the teachers allowed a lot of outdoor play time and short assignments? LOL

re: outdoor play time, I wasn't even thinking that far back. That change is more recent, and correlates with the increasing decline in male engagement and performance in schools.

As for assignments vs test-based assessment, it's my understanding that the shift in favour of the former has been occurring since at least the 60s.

Teaching to the test requires rote memorization

Not necessarily. Consider Mathematics tests (incidentally an area where the decline in boys' performance is less pronounced) where skills, not rote memorisation, are often being assessed.

Adding physical movement into class is something we already do to accommodate lots of kids.

This also isn't what I was referring to, since this is a controlled, indoor environment. As useful as this practice might be, it is not the same as free play outdoors.

[+]GiantDairy 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (63 children) | Copy Link

This has created a perpetuating issue of primarily women being in charge of education (from kindergarten till grad school)

This is patently untrue. At the university level, most professors are men.

The values we normally attribute to boys (and tomgirls) were cast aside and devalued in an educational setting.

What values are these exactly? What exactly needs to change?

[–]Marty-the-monkey 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

This has created a perpetuating issue of primarily women being in charge of education (from kindergarten till grad school)

This is patently untrue. At the university level, most professors are men.

Which is why I wrote grad school, as professors is a tenure position, whom don't necessarily have to deal with the educational side, more likely focusing on research (varying from university to university)

The values we normally attribute to boys (and tomgirls) were cast aside and devalued in an educational setting.

What values are these exactly? What exactly needs to change?

This is two separate questions, the latter of which I already addressed in the previous comment.

The former as to which values we normally attribute to boys are, within the context of my comment, being more rambunctious and in need of more active learning over the current valuing of sitting still and paying strict attention. Note however that I also included the mention of the 'tomgirl', as an acknowledgement of the values or perspectives not being exclusive to male/boy behavior.

[+]GiantDairy 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

Are you saying professors don’t teach? Also you were very clear “kindergarten TILL grad school”. At BOTH the undergraduate and graduate levels, professors are mostly men. Have you ever been to university? Did you don’t know professors teach both undergrad and grad students???

Aside from more active breaks I’m not seeing what other changes could or should be made.

[–]Marty-the-monkey 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

Yes I have indeed been to both undergrad and grad school, and there might be a difference in countries, but in Scandinavia the universities have a very large amount of women in the faculties.

Which again leave me with my second statement of there might be a national differences, but they don't have to teach both. Especially when tenured. There are minimum requirements, but they can be very low dependent on a professors research.

You seem to fail my initial point of pointing out the central systemic issue inherent in education in an attempt of wanting a quick fix, which seems to indicate you aren't really getting the argument or comment.

[+]GiantDairy 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

You’ve failed to articulate the “systemic” issue.

Please provide data that shows women make up more than half of the professors in universities in your country.

[–]Marty-the-monkey 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

All of our universities have faculty lists, and Denmark is a fairly small country, so they are all avaliable there.

I did articulate the systemic issues in my first comment, so you need to be far more specific if you want any more details as to which systemic issues you want, because (as mentioned in the first comment, since you seem to have not caught it) I condensed about a centuries worth of educational history and simplified it for expediency, meaning individual countries aren't taken into account.

So it's not that I don't want to answer, it's just dependent on which system you are interested in hearing about.

As already eluded to my own system is the one in Scandinavia, more specific Denmark, but I've worked on projects with the US educational system and have dived a bit into British and IGCSE.

[+]GiantDairy 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

Sigh.

In total, only 1/3 of the academic staff at Denmark universities are women. Why do you think you can get away with just making stuff up? Do you live in reality even?

If you can’t articulate your point, you lose.

[–]Marty-the-monkey 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Where did you get that number?

Also I have articulated my point several times, but when you want details I need specifics to answer them.

[+]GiantDairy 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

You’re so stupid. It’s on the first page of a Google search.

https://uniavisen.dk/en/the-teachers-are-men-the-students-are-women/

You have articulated nothing but lies about women professors and vague, silly claims about “education”.

[–]MRA_TitleIX 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (38 children) | Copy Link

This is patently untrue. At the university level, most professors are men.

As it pertains to what is being talked about, the percentage of men in instructional roles in post-secondary education in the US is 52% men. For grade school, it is about 11% male teachers. Overall levels of education, men represent 24% of instructional staff. Source NCES (USA govt) data.

I assume you mean instructional faculty since that is what the other person is talking about. Correct me if I am wrong and you weren't using "professor" in the colloquial sense. If you really want to narrow it down to the one area of instructional staff where men are a significant majority, professor is it.

[+]GiantDairy 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (37 children) | Copy Link

Sorry you’ll have to show the actual study or link. Also, yes I am talking about professors, not part time “instructors” who are paid $20 an hour.

Also we were specifically talking about Denmark.

[–]MRA_TitleIX 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (36 children) | Copy Link

Sure thing. This is for the USA data I used.

post-secondary ed: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d20/tables/dt20_315.20.asp

grade-school and all-levels: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/clr#1

The comment you were replying to didn't mention Denmark, nor did your reply. It looks like what you replied to was edited, so maybe it mentioned Denmark before I got here? Either way, these are USA stats which I thought was partially relevant to the discussion that didn't specify a region.

For the post-secondary education faculty salaries relevant to the stats provided, averages are below. This is for the 9-month academic period they get paid for. It is hardly $20/hr. The lowest average translates to ~$41/hr assuming a 40 hour week over those 9 months of pay (~1560 hours worked).

  1. Professor - $127k
  2. Associate Professor- $89k
  3. Assistant Professor - $77k
  4. Instructor - $69k
  5. Lecturer - $64k

[+]GiantDairy 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Literally there was like a 20 post exchange where he kept posting a link to a study in Danish.

There are no full time lecturers or instructors. It’s just not reality. You make almost no money teaching at that level especially when you consider you have a PHd. Again, please show me where in the world there is gender parity at the full time professor level at universities.

[+]GiantDairy 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (34 children) | Copy Link

Dude I was there. He was talking about Scandinavia, then he said he was from Denmark.

Again, what is the gender parity in full time Professor roles? Not part time instructor.

[–]MRA_TitleIX 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link

Again, what is the gender parity in full time Professor roles? Not part time instructor.

It's 55% male for full time tenure track positions (all levels of "professor"). Data is in the link I provided previously. I find it a tad irrelevant to what the comment chain above is, but I have no problem providing what you want. The other user was talking about gender gaps in instructional staff, tenure track is a very very small subset of that. Professor being the highest level of tenure track positions in the dataset. At that point most of them primarily do research and graduate work rather than education in classes. At least in the US.

Dude I was there. He was talking about Scandinavia, then he said he was from Denmark.

I don't doubt you. Please don't interpret what I say as hostile. I was explaining a possible cause of confusion you had to me posting USA data. I simply didn't know that the region was edited out two days ago.

[+]GiantDairy 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link

Literally 62000 women vs 123000 men. Ridiculous.

Notice that the lower level positions that pay shit and don’t allow you to decide anything are all at parity or have more women than men.

Professors control the universities. They design curriculum, they write the syllabus. They get paid the most. But somehow, women control all education from kindergarten to grad school? We know that the power positions at schools are mostly occupied by men. They are the administrators, the deans, the principals. This is the reality.

[–]MRA_TitleIX 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (31 children) | Copy Link

The overall gender gap in education in the US is 24% men. Idk why you are only using a small subset of the late-stage career in education to disprove a point regarding the gender gap in education? That's like 5% of educators in your subset. It isn't remotely descriptive of the topic.

[+]GiantDairy 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link

Women do not control the education system and are not rigging it against men and boys.

Men have the vast majority of the money and power in every sector and education is no different. Who gets the most decision making power and money in education? Men.

[–]PsychologicalItem353 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The fact that I was required to do the work of girls made me stressed and I started doing poorly.... Couldn't do shit about it cause I was required to do so with a little thing called group work that was abused to make all the boys throughout my entire time in school to do the girls work while they did nothing at all. When it comes to me... I started doing poorly because I cannot operate with extra work my brain slows down. Causing me to panic and I can't think and I know everything but my brain just goes slow and I become useless. And I having to do such made this daily. Honestly I work better with a group of guys it just is better for me. Usually when I work with women I have major issues and they can't accept the right answers they always feel they are right even if they are not and I would blatantly show them the correct answers and research. Every time I did something like this girls just still think they are right. Guys its a "Damn my bad". When it comes to women/girls I got to do their work for them cause even if I did request to be out the group and put in another its another group of girls " that do their work and do well" when they really don't or I get told no do the work. Literally got suspended before multiple times when I was in school for cussing out girls for instructing me on their work that they know nothing about. If you think that I didn't have to do it I did. Its group work as in projects and shit and you are required to be in a group or you get a grade reduction or no grade. And their are two grades. Your personal grade and the group. The group is usually weighed more at least when I was in school. So if the group did bad but you did good you'd still get a bad grade. Which trapped you into doing all the work if you are a guy. Me having issues with stress affect my thinking this fucked me over cause it happened so often. And teachers who are female at least still do this. Cause "it helped then through school".

[–]Laggod619 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In one word : yes

[–]BrilliantPayment3303 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck yes thay do, oh jimmy is acting out time to fill him up with meds, cant have childrean acting like kids

[–]Glum-One816 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a similar situation, but I was typing. "What are the worst experiences of being a special needs male student in schools?" I got negative responses on r/AskMen . They say some stupidest shit against me and I deserve to be bullied, attacked, and abused by other students. I went to a special education school and nobody helped me, including the situation at home was very toxic. I have to delete my thread because I felt like I didn't get much support from them. Eventually, they would say it differently if this was a girl's situation. They said, "Man up!" I did not want to join in r/Askmen anymore. It was toxic, so I join the Men's Rights page instead.

[–]rabel111 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

As the bias against boys in education becomes more widely understood and discussed, the feminist academics who engineered this tragedy continue to refuse to acknowledge the harm their sexist attitudes are inflicting on generations of children. What will it take to make education academics wake up from their woke misandry, and start to address discrimination against boys in our schools and academic culture.

[+]GiantDairy 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What sexist attitudes? What needs to change to make education better for boys exactly?

[–]urahara64360 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Unless they're gay/effeminate yes.

[–]Ok-Film-3125 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's just yes period. If you are a biological male, you're fucked.

[–]urahara64360 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The gay and effeminate are treated as girl lite so they're ignored as opposed to regular boys who are actively being targeted.

[+]cleaningmama 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's been a few years since I looked at the information, but early education is geared towards girls. Issues from K-2 teaching often come to crisis for boys around third grade.

Also, early reading often doesn't benefit boys as much as it does girls. Some studies show that boys shouldn't even learn to read until 7. Girls' and boys' development is in different places at that time.

However, those are generalities. I know plenty of boys who learned to read very early indeed (3) and didn't suffer for it.

Despite the early advantages in education, many girls' learning then lags behind later on.

Since my son is still in grade school, I didn't look beyond early education.

In third grade, I had to catch my son up from learning little in first and second grade. He's excellent at reading and math, but his hand writing is slow.

[–]ChadWolf98 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They discriminate against boys simply by making academic success based on memorising stuff, sitting silently, but mostly by making acadeic success based on TIME spent on study vs EFFORT/SKILL.

If you remember homework did you get 1 or 2 hard assignment, or a lot of easy ones thats easy to do but time consuming?

[+]awsdlefthandbutton -9 points-8 points-7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah single sex schools work best for boys tbh. Helps get the aggression out of the system and they learn that they aren't as tough as they think they are.

[–]The_Dapper_Balrog 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Clearly you've never worked in education, because you'd know that statement is nonsense.

[–]DirtyPartyMan -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A little and only if they’re heterosexual.

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