Defence Minister of Singapore thinks it's unfair that women should be enlisted into National Service like men because "Women will be delayed in their entry into the workforce".

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If you pay enough in the army, not abuse grunts, they you will have a big enough army. If a state is unable to protect itself it doesnt deserve to exist.

I mean so does many men unabke to be front line. There are tons of jobs, in fact, women could do longer civil service. With the option of military ofc.

If sport would be mandatory I'd still pusposely fail the physical test.

I also don't think women should have to pregnant

Why not? The state needs soldiers. Every woman should have at least 3 children. Its for the benefit of the state right? If years long conscription is ok why not 9 monts of pregnancy?

Conscription in peacetime is different. If there is a war and the population levels are in danger maybe it is too late qnyway.

Take ukraine. Will those women who escaped give birth to children who will help rebuild ukraine? Very unlikely, they will probably remain west and wont help in rebuilding Ukraine.

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When did I claim to be a victim of anything? In my first post that you so unashamedly accused of misogyny & hate, I literally said that I'm grateful for what I have & later clarified that I don't think anyone in the developed world is in any way oppressed.

My contention isn't that men are somehow being widely fucked over by all of society... it's that I'm tired of seeing women (that I care/cared about) from *my* generation being/acting incredibly hostile towards men & adopting this very resentful & anti-male pathology without challenge or backlash. That is a very specific claim that does not refer to "all" women, even "most" women (I made that clear) & I as I said, I mentioned absolutely nothing about any kind of "victimhood". I explicitly said that my experiences of being assaulted (including sexually) by women had basically zero impact on me & it's even hard for me to remember these things because I genuinely just don't care about it. I ALSO said that I don't whatsoever believe that everything bad in my life (or the lives of men in general) is caused by feminists. For the 10th time, I was *specifically* referring to how young women "see" & "treat" men in general, which despite your baseless denial, is VERY much motivated by feminist indoctrination.

All you're doing is proving my point that you are dishonest & aren't even trying to understand where any of us are coming from. You're just projecting whatever sad ideology you believe in unto men & assume they're just as """biased""" as you clearly are.

"I also acknowledge that due to your feelings you are erratically lashing out at me as if I were an embodiment of evil feminism."

No, I "lash out" at you because the first thing you did to me was accuse me of misogyny & of being brainwashed & lured into a "hate pit" of sexism. I've genuinely seen very little *true* misogyny here. You know damn well that I wasn't aggressive towards you (was one of the only ones not downvoting your comments in fact) initially, even extended what I thought was an olive branch. But I've seen you manipulatively attack, gaslight, lie & distort what many dudes are saying here on countless threads, seemingly with ZERO desire to self-reflect. I'm sorry but if you're proven wrong time & time again, there's no excuse to double down on it on other threads, yet you continue to do so. How can you honestly look at that as anything other than disgusting behavior? Sincerely, I don't get what you're seeking to achieve.

"I want to also clarify that I am supportive of men’s rights."

By denying misandry exists? By saying men are to blame for their own issues? By saying men are to blame for everyone's problems under "patriarchy" theory? By justifying sexist terms like "mansplaining"?

Wtf are you talking about??? If you saw a man saying misogyny is a myth, that women are the root cause for everyone's problems & so on, you would not believe him if he says that he is "supportive of women's rights" & you'd be right. Your actions don't reflect your words here.

"At the same time I am not supportive of misogyny, misplaced hatred of women"

Who exactly are you talking to? No one here (as far as I can see) would contest that.

"and false claims of misandry"

Yeah, considering you literally said that misandry is not a real thing, your opinion of what constitutes "false claims" means fuck all.

"I’m not opposing awareness of men’s rights"

Yes you are. Many people have said that to you, but you just refuse to listen & grow. That's called narcissism.

"I’m opposing the use of men’s issues as a facade to attack women"

That's the problem. You see anything we say as "an attack on women". Meanwhile you're blatantly attacking men by saying things like "patriarchy", "toxic masculinity", "mansplaining", etc.

If I asked you to give me one legitimate example of an "attack on women" made on this sub in the last two weeks, you'd fail. Because that never happened.

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Okay. I will try to be as forgiving & hopefully respectful towards you as I can... but I won't lie, given that you are clearly deep into the feminist scene, it's hard to assume your motives here are honest, because who told you that you were "intoctrinated" before you "came here to break the mindset"? Other feminists? The people in your life? That makes no sense. The default state of society is pro-feminism, or at least publicly. Call me a pessimist, but it almost seems like you're just saying this to look more credible & "fair minded".

But as I've said, let's be forgiving/generous here... let's assume that you are being honest about your desires. Great. Okay. You want to hear the "other side" or what have you. I can respect that. But if that's the case, why are you so hellbent on accusing this sub of being a "pit of hate" (genuine question btw, I'd like to hear an answer) first of all & more importantly, why do you refuse to reconsider & change your beliefs when you're so OBVIOUSLY wrong about these things? Bit off topic, but this whole "every opinion is valid" rhetoric that many people like to push is nothing but a politically correct fantasy. There's reality & then there's one's bias. I'm not acting like I have all the answers here, but I sure as hell am not going to ignore valid evidence & credible research as you've so consistently done all throughout these threads. I'm sorry, but even if I assume you're a well-meaning person beneath it all, this is still a deep level of feminist "indoctrination" overriding your rationalism & I'm not so sure I can get through it. Hope I'm wrong.

For example, you unironically asserted that the wage gap is an actual issue. I've seen your account. You comment regularly on science oriented subs (you study STEM? Engineering? Or are you a teacher? At least there we have common ground). I genuinely cannot compute how you clearly have an interest in science (= facts, logic, etc.) & then buy into feminist ideology & push these ridiculous beliefs like the wage gap. It just makes no sense. If the wage gap were tuly a thing, then companies would only hire women & save themselves 20% in wages for *massive* profit increases.... unless you genuinely believed that the world is so goddamn sexist towards women that they would rather pay men more & oppress women, than treat women as equals. Can you honestly sit there & tell me with a straight face that you - a person with an interest & I assume a knack for science - think that's a LOGICAL argument??? And then you provide a source, which is OPENLY feminist (bias much??) yet still it didn't even try to claim that women are being paid less "for the exact same work" because no multivariate analysis would ever support that. I don't berate you for being incorrect about ANY of this stuff. What I do call you out on is your refusal to correct yourself and/or admit you got it wrong. Worst of all, you actually doubel down on these beliefs. Why? Can you explain that to me?

And it was the same thing for the "rape culture" nonsense... "mansplaining"... "patriarchy"... etc. The recurring theme here is that you make ideological claims, you present no evidence (and if you do, it's not even supportive of what you think you're claiming), people call you out on it & then your response is to double down, make WILD statements like "misandry isn't real", only to defend yourself by acting like you care so much about "men's rights". Can you not see in any way how this comes across as highly dishonest? I don't know how else to explain it to you. What you're saying just makes no sense. I mean no offence for once, I'm genuinely trying to make you understand how your comments make us feel.

If I'm wrong in any way, please... PLEASE, tell me how. I'm open to being corrected. Thus far, you haven't even so much as tried. You just tell me I'm wrong, you say I'm being sexist based on nothing & then you just leave as if you've succesfully proved your case. At least that's how it looks.

"Isn’t it a great thing that a young woman would expose her beliefs to the critique of MRAs and be open to changing her views?"

In theory, yes. But I'm not an MRA. I guess "anti-feminist" would be a much more appropriate term.

I only really have a few """demands""" as a toxic male of feminists/young women.

First, drop the ideology. Feminism as a movement.Meaning, focussing on solving problems faced mostly by women:

- aka cat-calling,

- FGM,

- acid attacks (or at least I think acid attacks are mostly done against women... it's one of those issues that I would try to fix if I was a millionaire. A crime like that against an innocent woman has always pissed me off quite badly. Anyway, I digress again)

- programs for dealing with careers/babies

- etc.

All of this is "fine" as far as I'm concerned. The problem is that feminism isn't just that, it's an IDEOLOGY on top of it. A belief system. A field of study. It's academia. And THAT is where the problem lies. There's no such "male rights" equivalent (which is a good thing btw). It's precisely in this way that feminism differs from "men's groups". Feminism, quite frankly, is extremely cult-like & religious in its view of the world.

To "fix" this, I would suggest that feminists/young women need to abandon the beliefs in patriarchy, toxic masculinity, male privilege & petty nonsense like "mansplaining", "manspreading", etc.

It's simple really... just stop assuming that men are the root cause for all the world's problems. I'm sure you'd deny that you think that's the case, but when you're making the argument of "patriarchy", that's actually what you're saying, deep own & no amount of mental gymnastics is ever gonna change that.

Same thing with the rest... My sleeping pills are kicking in so I'n not making all too much sense now but if you do these things (abandon patriarhcy, Toxic M, etc) then you will far more easily get accepted into this sub.

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oh they are. in a lot of ways. here are some of them:

• Having NS, Reservists

• No Divorce & child support laws

• Less tax benefits compared to females

• Less emphasis on men’s health compared to women

• Men are expected to die for women and children

• No right to defend against sexual accusation

• No welfare during International men’s day, father’s day compare to female

• Gaslight with Pay gap and gender ratio

• Not allowed to do Onlyfans

• Less paternity leaves

• Sexist laws against men( S375, S377A, S376H(3)(c) S325 of the CPC, S88 of the Education (Schools) Regulations, S24(6) of the Children and Young Persons (Government Homes) Regulations 2011, S83 of the CPC, S61 of the Education (Schools) Regulations, S4(3) of the Adoption of Children Act,

• Fathers are not entitled to Grandparent Caregiver Relief (GCR), Working Mother Child Relief (WMCR)) and Foreign Domestic Worker Levy Relief (FDWL relief)

• Gendered grooming standards (generally more restrictive for males) continue to be prevalent across all domains of life.

• Male early childhood staffs are not allowed to do routine care or show ‘excessive’ affections for students.

• Recent amendment has allowed some extent of elective egg freezing but elective sperm freezing is still prohibited.

• More females in higher education

• Female only recruitments

• More Male suicide rates

• Sexist gender expectation against males

• Only caning for men

• Discrimination for renting and giving tuition

• Men are not allow to defend against Female’s physical abuses

• Higher incarceration rates

• No mandatory paternity testing

• Women live longer on average but have the same retirement age as men

• Men work 2 years later but the retirement age is the same as women

• Only women, children and dogs are loved unconditionally. A man is only loved under the condition that he provides something.

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