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Scott Adams, who notably said in 2011 to MRAs "get over it, pussies" in response to MRAs complaining about unfairness that men experience, has now suggested to parents of troubled boys that the only option may be to either "watch people die" or "kill your own son".

throwaway20210821

July 7, 2022
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https://archive.ph/8Qi1M
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Title Scott Adams, who notably said in 2011 to MRAs "get over it, pussies" in response to MRAs complaining about unfairness that men experience, has now suggested to parents of troubled boys that the only option may be to either "watch people die" or "kill your own son".
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throwaway20210821

Upvotes 293
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Date July 7, 2022 7:04 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/vtq9xz/scott_adams_who_notably_said_in_2011_to_mras_get/
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[–]aerial_coitus 84 points85 points86 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Scott Adams writes (in the OP attached):

”It isn’t legal to take a young man’s bodily autonomy…”

Oh, the irony…

[–]g1455ofwater 39 points40 points41 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit. When I saw this I was expecting the regular daily misandry that permeates through the internet, but this is history's worst tyrants level of human rights abuse.

[–]throwaway20210821[S] 27 points28 points29 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

...and who was against MRAs (being one of the first prominent figures to speak out against MRAs and who wasn't a feminist) from the start, defending inequalities and injustices (specifically those that disproportionately impact boys and young men like male genital mutilation circumcision and the draft) that men and boys face:

https://archive.ph/qNkqu

That's the thing people here should not lose sight of and and should emphasize repeatedly.

[–]IngoTheGreat 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So he suggested that men treat women like mentally handicapped children, and now he's all but encouraging parents to murder their own sons?

Forget regressive...This guy is right out of the Bronze Age.

[–]DouglasMilnes 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When/where in the bronze age did anybody have the cultural equivalent of SCUM or #killallmen? I think it is only in the modern age that misandry has ever been so bad.

[–]throwaway20210821[S] 52 points53 points54 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Scott Adams attack on MRAs (which he deleted but that was still saved) was addressed in 2011 on this sub: https://archive.ph/qNkqu

​

Male feminist writer David Futrelle of smear site Manboobz (now We Hunted the Mammoth) enjoyed Scott Adams attacking MRAs, while at the same time accusing Scott Adams of...misogyny

https://web.archive.org/web/20120118200445/https://www.manboobz.com/2011/03/15/scott-adams-to-mens-rights-activists-youll-never-win-an-argument-with-a-woman/

[–]pissed_off_elbonian 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thise two are a special kind of crazy. Then Fatrelle turned on Adams when he backed Trumpy. That sort of shit provides endless entertainment.

[–]gprime 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It isn't legal to take a young man's bodily autonomy just because he "seems dangerous" but that has to be considered at this point.

This tweet seems pretty dangerous. Maybe we should take Scott's bodily autonomy from him.

[–]HELLBENT42 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can't say "stupid" without being issued a 3 days ban and he can say that all willy nilly.

[–]beetle-eetle 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I can't believe I used to like him. Holy shit he went off the rails.

[–]IngoTheGreat 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I liked the Dilbert animated series back in the day (the comic strip not so much). It provided a few laughs.

I don't think I could enjoy it again. I can often separate the art from the artist if I really like a work of fiction, but I mean, it's Dilbert. I'll survive without it.

[–]beetle-eetle 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I always really enjoyed the comic. And he had some pretty good articles and a book on persuasion that I enjoyed and thought was very interesting.

I think he changed a lot after he went through that disease he had... Aphasia I think?

[–]Redditsucks_________ 52 points53 points54 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Male Feminists are scum

[–]throwaway20210821[S] 46 points47 points48 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Scott Adams isn't a male feminist and is closer to a tradcon, however he is staunchly against MRAs and believes in defending inequality and injustices that men experience, often through appeals to nature.

He is the kind of person that doesn't identify as a feminist but nonethless tells MRAs things like:

"life isn't fair, get over it"

"women are better and more naturally suited at doing some tasks than men"

"women are more important to the species than men"

[–]Redditsucks_________ 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

my bad. He is stll scum though

[–]skysinsane 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The problem is that there is a lot of truth to his statements.

People don't care about men as much as they care about women, and that will likely never change. Women are valued orders of magnitude more than men. It is unlikely that we will ever be able to overwhelm that. Additionally, men complaining is a social faux pas. It indicates weakness and inferiority, making people care even less about you. So "getting over it" may very well be the optimal choice for most men.

Women genuinely are better at some things than men. Men are better at some things than women. That's just facts.

[–]DouglasMilnes 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The difference is understanding what a man must do as an individual, and how society must be configured so that both men and women can live in harmony. While men whining about things can be less than helpful, it is very much men's prerogative and need to care for the structure that we all live under. If our forefathers took Scott Adams' advice, we would still all be living in caves and fighting over scraps.

[–]Halafax 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Scott Adams isn't a male feminist and is closer to a tradcon

I dunno what he claims to be, but he's mostly a dipshit. He's famous for a poorly drawn cartoon. He doesn't have any particular cultural significance.

I remember reading a friend's Dilbert book where Scott tried to sound deep while guessing that gravity didn't exist and everything was growing instead. Um... Makes no goddamn sense with rotational bodies?

He's a nobody. Ignore him.

[–]RatDontPanic 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

My first step in a revolution is to lure all the male feminist simps and tradcon/QAnons to a Mars colony and let them sort out their disagreements AWAY from Earth!

[–]CleverFoolOfEarth 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Naw, man, build ‘em a Thunderdome on the Moon to duke it out in 1/6th the gravity so even the weeniest simps have Moon super strength.

[–]RatDontPanic 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

...so they can accidentally jump through the weak dome ceiling and into outer space...

I see what you did right there :D

[–]MBV-09-C 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Genuine question, I hear the term occasionally but still have no clue about it, what is a QAnon?

[–]RatDontPanic 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Among conspiracy theorists, QAnon is the very worst kind imaginable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon

[–]jmac323 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

His stepson? Maybe having a stepdad that terrible was an indicator

[–]Forsaken_Mode_2173 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow...

[–]IngoTheGreat 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In that moronic blog entry from 2011, he was all about "choosing the path of least resistance" and encouraged men to shut up about the issues they face, because trying to address those problems is for "pussies". Real Men™ need to patronize women and treat them like they're irrational idiots, while keeping quiet and bottling up their own feelings. It's so manly! Give me a break.

Seems like this is what he's really suggesting here, too. "If your son is messed up, give up on him, there is nothing you can do, he will kill himself, and that's the best case scenario! It's hopeless I tell you, hopeless! Always!"

His stepson was 18. His life was just beginning. It's very, very hard for me to believe nothing could have helped him, but even if I grant that be true, he is, as I said already in some other comments, extrapolating that to millions of other people he doesn't even know. That's bullshit.

[–]stanfy86 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I am not one for saying people should be cancelled, but this is a clear example of someone who absolutely should, fucking disgrace of a human being, and should be charged with child endangerment.

[–]ITworksGuys 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Boys need discipline, structure, and a moral authority figure.

My parents understood this, my grandparents, etc...

My son is 16. He is 6 foot tall and 180 pounds. He is also one of the sweetest kids you can find.

Part of that is his nature. Two years old if I gave him a cookie he would ask for a cookie to give his big sister.

If I told him it was the last one, he would break it in half.

We have kept him that boy because his mother and I have provided discipline, structure, and moral authority.

We haven't let him brood and bottle up his feelings. I lance that shit like a boil.

I am his dad. We will talk about things without judgement or scorn. I will help him make the right decisions.

Once again, he is 6 foot tall and 180 lbs at 16. He could do serious damage to someone. I knew he was going to be a big guy so I have been keeping him from marching down a dangerous path his whole life.

He doesn't bully, nor suffer bullies. He thinks about his actions and how they will affect others, he understands consequences.

I am Gen X. We were one of the first to not have dads around. Luckily for me my mom provided discipline, structure, and moral authority.

We have an epidemic, for lack of a better term, of boys with none of these things.

They either lack fathers in their life or the ones they have seem useless and neutered.

The parents drive to be forever young is fucking up their kids, both male and female. The results can just be more deadly when it is a boy.

[–]AndyBrown65 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It was interesting he mentioned a stepson which tells me that clown was weak and part of the problem

[–]IngoTheGreat 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

His stepson is dead and he is comforting himself with the thought that nothing could possibly have been done, even theoretically, and maybe it's actually a good thing it happened. It's a coping mechanism, and he's willing to throw thousands and thousands of young men who absolutely could be helped under the bus to maintain his comfort fantasy.

Ironically the fact is that he himself is the one looking like someone with a disregard for others' lives here.

PS: The overwhelming majority of "troubled teens" are never going to wind up murdering anybody. Full stop. He's looking at a fraction of a fraction and extrapolating that to all of them, which is really stupid.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a truly despicable person.

[–]BDT81 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Was a big fan of Dilbert.

​

Now... ... ... that is tainted

[–]Forsaken_Mode_2173 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

OH!

So THIS is toxic masculinity.

[–]OctaviaPinfold 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

There is nothing masculine about promoting murder of kids.

[+]Forsaken_Mode_2173 -17 points-16 points-15 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There is. Because humanity do this sometimes. Men and women can be cruel like this, and they use their sex roles to do it when they do. Denying human cruelty isn't a proper way to fight it.

[–]MBV-09-C 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Point went over your head, bud, but you're still agreeing with it anyway.

"humanity do this sometimes."

"men and women can be cruel like this."

"Denying human cruelty."

Yes, cruelty is a genderless trait, which is exactly why there is nothing masculine about promoting murder of kids.

[–]Forsaken_Mode_2173 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men and women can be cruel like this, and as I said: they use their sex roles to do it. But if you want to be the feminist-like-person and deny the history, be my guest.

[–]blaizken_420 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wish his parents took that advice for him. Why are artists always the shittiest people possible

[+]Gayorg_Zirschnitz 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly a prime example of actual toxic masculinity. Literally saying the only option in the face of emotional distress being the death of your child? Good god, man. There are affordable therapists.

[–]Sinner12180 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Didn't Scott Adams get in trouble for BEING a mens rights activist?

[–]throwaway20210821[S] 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, he is not a men's rights activist:

https://archive.ph/qNkqu

[–]Banake 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of feminists accuse anyone who is not a feminist of being a MRA.

[–]istira_balegina 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Scott Adams bringing back the biblical wayward son.

[–]bat_in_the_stacks -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He's also a trump supporter, so there's clearly no point in entertaining his views.

[+]Bland-fantasie -21 points-20 points-19 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

You guys read that tweet and took from it that he’s advocating killing your son?

Maybe have another read. People on this thread are usually very on the ball and I think we can all discern his meaning, which is pretty clear: zero credible support services for addicted male teens.

I admit I could be wrong and this isn’t a reading comprehension issue, which means it’s just a false flag.

[–]IngoTheGreat 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

zero credible support services for addicted male teens.

How about finding out what the cause of the addiction is? Addictions are very frequently the result of failed attempts to self-medicate mental and physical health problems, or the result of attempts to escape past traumas and anxieties.

Adams himself basically wants men to shut up about their problems. I can't imagine him being very supportive of a son.

Most substance abusers eventually get through their problem too.

The U.S. faces an unprecedented surge of drug deaths, with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reporting another grim milestone this week.

In a single 12-month period, fatal overdoses claimed 101,623 lives.

But researchers and drug policy experts say the grim toll obscures an important and hopeful fact: Most Americans who experience alcohol and drug addiction survive.

They recover and go on to live full and healthy lives.

NPR, 2022

Recovery is the rule, not the exception.

Adams's idea is not just defeatist--it is dangerous, and if people listen to him, he's going to be indirectly responsible for preventable deaths. Maybe his own stepson could not have been helped. Maybe he simply failed him (he certainly had the financial resources to try a lot, and he fancies himself something of a genius so I have to wonder what the limits of his potential solutions were). But he's clearly trying to paint his unfortunate experience as universal. It isn't.

[–]hedic 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

So it either doesn't exist or is a false flag? Your two options are almost as fucking dumb as his.

[+]Bland-fantasie -10 points-9 points-8 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I’m a big proponent of this sub, and a daily listener to Scott Adams’ podcast, so I have a better perspective than you.

He spoke to this mischaracterization of his opinion on today’s episode. Which was probably unnecessary given how obvious it is that nobody would be arguing for that. It’s very obvious a public figure would never say this, but you missed that. The thousands who retweeted his thread got it though.

[–]hedic 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"You have to murder your son" I would think its pretty hard to mischaracterize that but if you can make an argument go ahead.

[–]Halafax 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

on today’s episode

He's always been a dipshit. Why are you still following this nothing-burger?

[–]xa3D 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

and the tweets are STILL up. LMAO we truly live in a society.

[–]SonyisAwful5 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Mandy is hot

[–]Banake 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I like Dilbert, but Adams' always had a nutjob side.

[–]mechajutaro 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dilbert Guy was fortunate enough to have a STEP son who he was able to watch OD on an fentanyl. Somehow, I suspect that had that boy been his flesh and blood, he would've moved heaven and heart to get him into Cognitive Behavioral Therapy for his addictive behavior, and been less than relieved when his son ceased breathing

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