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Another example of open misandry on this website

blaizken_420

July 11, 2022

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Title	Another example of open misandry on this website
Author	blaizken_420
Upvotes	13
Comments	63
Date	July 11, 2022 8:47 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/vwsobb/another_example_of_open_misandry_on_this_website/
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[–]tinny36 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

Yikes. It's the personal choice of the couple, but only the woman should pay with losing her job? I don't really understand that.

And yes, on an individual basis, it's my choice to not have a baby while someone else will, but the 'world' can assume that there will be a great many couples who choose to have babies...I mean, the world needs babies right? So you can't be punished for being part of perpetuating the species. What would happen if couples just decided to stop having kids because their jobs were more important?
Who is going to be your doctor when you're 80? For your arguement, then why should an employer give you sick days? Bereavement leave? Vacation? You're being paid to work not be sick. Take vacation on your own time.

However, I do ask that question all the time, I'm an employer and why would I 'choose' to hire someone who could go on mat leave for a year and I have to backfill her position for a year (loss of productivity, hassle, etc) when I can just get a man who won't have all that 'stuff' attached to him? At the very basis of that, while I understand the arguement, it's unfair because a couple can't decide to 'let the man have the baby instead'. So by virtue of being a woman, we are overlooked for jobs because we are potentially a liability. And I can totally see both sides, but see how it's unfair? Like car insurance...I can see how their stats show male drivers are a greater liability, but if you're a male driver with no history of bad driving, why should you pay more?

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[–]tinny36 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Well, now you're generalizing. I have not met one single woman who hasn't praised their spouse for sharing child rearing responsibilities by sharing the time off needed to bring Junior to a doctor's appointment or volunteer at the science fair. Unfortunately, those events and largely served by women. So if you want us to stay home and take care of your kids, then leave us...what are we supposed to do? We have sacrificed a career to help your career and raise your children....and are left with....child support? Which thrills you, doesn't it? Wouldn't it be better if men and women had fulfilling careers where they could support themselves and their children, and each other if the other spouse had a hiccup where they changed jobs or careers...not all the pressure on one spouse to keep nose to the grindstone every day. But for a woman to have a career AND be able to bring children into the world for herself and her spouse, there needs to be support (just like how if a man wishes to share parenting duties, he's able to take parental leave and enjoy staying home with his child for a period of time...a RIGHT of his as a father). The world is moving in the right direction...we just have to find a way to keep moving that way while both men and women are still respectful of each other and what they go thorugh in life to make the world go around.

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[–]tinny361 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I think that's wholly unfair, but let's say I agree.

How do we deal with the parts about men being biologically built faster/stronger than women? You can't say 'we should lift boxes at the same weight and speed'. It physically can't happen. That's why there are men's and women's events. We may train or try just as hard but will be limited.

And men can't bear children, does that mean they won't make excellent fathers? Just because they didn't carry a baby, they can't take time off to parent their newborn? Of course not, because men physically cannot have children. Things cannot, nor should not, be 100% equal. They can't be. But each person should get the basic things they need, within reason, to operate. No, a blind person cannot be a health inspector. It can't be done. but if they are equipped and trained and able to be a writer, a journalist, a trainer...then they should be given that opportunity without discrimination, so they can earn a living doing something they CAN do.

I don't know what you think women say they 'can't' do...but I agree with you, they can. And like I said in another post (somewhere..) that just because some men and women gravitate towards certain positions, doesn't make that wrong. I think in general, women have the more nurturing gene and they gravitate towards elementary school teachers WAY more than men. We shouldn't push 'equality' of representation in that role if not many man WANT to do it. Same with maybe special ops or police officers...if a woman wants to, or can do that job, great, but if women do not gravitate towards those jobs then we shouldn't force it to be staffed 50/50. We have to let some things be a part of how people choose to live their life. I see nothing wrong. Where are you saying women complain about pulling their weight in society? Curious.. However I may be overstepping my welcome in this sub so I understand if I need to shut up and leave now :)

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Men cant bear children, but science is working on it, tbh. You can get a viable egg from stem cell already, relatively easily. And artificial uterus is being animal tested on cattle and mice - so you know...you might find out on few decades, that men can indeed have kids without you...

Each person should get what they "need" you say? Then work for it. Nothing is free, and we do not consent to upkeeping you for nothing in return, anymore. And we dont consent anymore to taking any risk for you, nor to sacrificing anything for you - we did that enough, and all we get in return is lack of even basic respect from any woman, as a default. Even if most taxes is paid by men, and large parts of their budget is, often forcibly, used by a woman. Surprisingly, it never works the other way without a woman throwing a gigantic fit. Why is that?

You literally just wrote double standards - where you WANT employment, its 50/50, and where you do not, you dont give a damn? Such equality....shame that its men that are, again, paying the price of being forced out of well paid jobs so that a woman can be pushed there. And I dont see feminists opposing misandry in employing men in "traditionally female" jobs, or with female coworkers treating those men like shit.

Pulling your own weight in society, also means having not an OPTION, but a REQUIREMENT to defend thwt society. Equal treatment, again. Im yet to see a woman that would honestly be for it. Want to be the first one, perhaps?

[–]tinny361 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

So what if it didnt happen lately? Dont deflect. Men are forced to serve in war, you seem to not see that, willingly. Doesnt fit your story? And dont hide and cower behind "but babies". Men dont exist to die for you, and its time women gave back the lives lost by men forced to fight, in their defence. We'd like to sot back in safety a bit, now, you see?

Stop your entitlement.

You pay for health, etc? Cute. How much is paid/used by which gender, by percentage/amount? Could you provide a verified statiatics for that? If men are found to pay for you, are they properly compensated for you profiteering from THEIR money? Is the form of compensation what they want, or something your society thinks as enough for them? Because you seem to expect men to be a team with you, which is false - and its feminism that wanted this, originally. After all, you supposedly, dont need men, right? If so, then why do you love their money, and assets, so much?

[–]tinny361 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Wow. A lot of things happened in the past that shouldn't have. If they started the draft process today, I am certain they would not, could not, force men only to serve.

You are projecting a lot of incorrect 'stuff'....like I don't know where to begin. How do men pay for me when I work full time and pay taxes, and property taxes...? You can't break down taxes the way you are suggesting...people pay taxes that go towards road improvements but ride bikes. People with no kids still pay school taxes. We all contribute to the improvement of society, it benefits people who don't have kids, that other people's kids are educated, they will become the generation of doctors, taxpayers, etc. So if you want to do a deep dive into taxes, have at it.

I don't think anyone said 'we don't need men'? I mean, if they did it was a flippant stupid thing to say.....maybe it was when women were making their way into the workforce where they could have their own money to support themselves and the family in general? Is that a bad thing?

I think you're still stuck in the past a lot and many men wish to revert to a time where women were dependent, quiet, subservient, and let you have your way. But then you also fight against the way things were in the past...so what is it you want exactly?

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]tinny361 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

For the record, I don't think the 'we don't need men' thing was ever right. I think there was pent up anger from some of the more oppressed women who had to fight harder to get what they want. But you are right, we SHOULD be about being on the same team and working together. However...you can't just look at what some feminists said about men, and ignore men's treatment of women over the decades. Not able to vote, work, work in meaningful jobs, be in control of her own money...I mean these were the issues WOMEN had to fight to earn so yeah, was there some end-zone celebrations going on...sure. And it rubs people the wrong way. So now, we are where we are...members of society who are able to perform the same job job the same way should be able to...and women can now 'contribute' to the family income, support each other...and not be the lazy gold diggers many men think we are. So...what' the problem?

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Doesnt matter WHY it was said. Words have consequences, and worst of those consequences is a loss of trust. Feminists fucked up, big time, and many men just dont want to trust their kind anymore. Why should we? Because you think and whaaaant? How about...no?

Deal with it, because we are not coming back to you. Men built their world from zero, and You just assume that you are entitled to their everything, because you...exist?

Protip: if someone built something, and you want it - yeah, you gonna have to work for it and pay the price as stated. Alternativelly, build it yourself, from zero, like those men did. Id say its a fair deal, dont you thunk?

Want a company that hires women despite it being destructive to it? Be that change, build that company. Who's stopping you? Apparently you know better how to run a company, so getting to the top will be no problem for you, right? Who are you to dictate someone what they should do, just so that YOU have it better, on their expense?

You want power? Build it from zero, somewhere. Who's stopping you? Apart from you not wanting to do the work, and just expecting to be invited to the top and reap any benefits you want? Will you defend the nation when it comes to it, like Zelensky? I doubt it. Why should I accept you deciding on a war, as a politician, when your entire societal group is excluded from being forced to participate, and just has an OPTION to do so?

You are talking family money and funds...you mean those money where her money is her alone, and his money is THEIRS, which is a norm for women to think? Well, f me if im into that. Why should I trust you, again, that it doesnt end up like that? Maybe if it NEVER ever happened to ANY man, AND there were a serious criminal charges if a woman does it...we might talk? On a man's word of course, not evidence - after all, you should ALWAYS belive the victim, right?

In other words - society works on solely one singular "currency". That currency is trust. If women want us to return to the table, it is that trust, that you have to rebuild. Be prepared to just be denied, because its just...easier and safer. Just like that. Get it? And instead of holding that against the men, and expecting them to change - again, deal with the real cause, called "feminism". By yourself.

[–]tinny361 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

...you do realise that men dont just act out of their own experiences, but also take other men's experiences into account, as well? Maybe its a surprise for you, but we TALK to each other, you know? Do you suggest se shpuld never ever take anything into account? Id have to be an utter, total, complete idiot to do so.

And dont tell me, or ther men, what we "should" or "need" to do. WE will decide that, not you. Based on what WE deem best for US, and US alone.

You want coexisting? Change a few laws pushed by feminism, for starters. Maybe some proper real punishment for those thst pushed them in place and accepted them? The duluth model, for example...or literally ANY spousal support, for thst matter. As a token of good will. Cant so that? Well, too bad? :)

My life is quite happy tbh. Its just that any woman in my life, os there on MY terms. Alternativelly, she is not there at all. Simple, and effective - maybe its another shocker for you, but men can be happy and fulfilled with no female "partner" overseer in their lives, you know? Strange, eh?

You seem hell bent on changing men to suit you, tbh.

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And I'm sure you personally can fill more wheelbarrows of dirt that another co-worker, should you make less or is it so long as you can fill 10 per hour, everyone gets the same? Because that's 'doing the job'.

And yes, overall we work less hours in our lifetimes because we are the only ones who can have babies and do require some time off to do that.

I also feel like you can't alwasy compare 'fair pay' on a large scale, so long as each person is given the same shot for any job...that's equity. Like fire fighters...if there is an amazingly strong woman who can power through all the tasks and do them in the realm of 'normal' for the average firefighter, she should have a shot at the job. If someone says they need to hire half women, well that's just stupid. maybe not as many women WANT the job. Like elementary school teachers. They are predominantly women. I suspect because we are, in our nature, caregivers and at the elementary level, that's a lot of what teaching is. Should we force more men to have those jobs? No...not if they don't want them. That's equity, give people what they need to succeed, to have reasonably the same outcome. You can't mandate half of all job are split between men and women.

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Most of the comments are about what qualifies as a mass shooting. But yes, many are 'men are the more violent sex' with many backing up with stats. I didn't find the comments inherently sexist, it was more sharing what they feel are facts...I mean you could say that high school girls are the largest contributors to bullying (I'm guessing that's the case...high school girls are mean), and there could be many comments about how teenage boys tend to have one fist fight and solve their problems whereas teenage girls tend more to drag through social media, manipulate, gossip, lie, etc and throw stats i nthere to support it. I mean it's not a good colour but doesn't mean it's not true. Are you disputing that men are the largest perpetrators of gun violence? I mean does it make sense to ignore statistics or face them?

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