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"Forever Alone Women" are only alone by their own doing. (by u/typo-magashiv)

kevin32

November 7, 2022
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Title "Forever Alone Women" are only alone by their own doing. (by u/typo-magashiv)
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kevin32

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Date November 7, 2022 11:45 AM UTC
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Comments

[–]lorum_ipsum_dolorJr. Hamster Analyst 176 points177 points178 points 3 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

"If only Brad Pitt knew I existed"

-- Forever alone women everywhere

[–]silly_birb_Banned 94 points95 points96 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

"Where is my Christian Grey!"

[–]Chgralac731 points 3 years ago* [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

monthly reminder that Anastasia Steele was a virgin, tough she did have student loan debt

[–]silly_birb_Banned 56 points57 points58 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

tough she did have student loan debt

That's how you make a protagonist relatable to the female audience!

[–]Chgralac731 points 3 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

well she was English literature student, but yeah young adult genre makes their heroines empty shells, so every female reader can easily identify with the heroine

explains why Bella Swan from Twilight was just standing there for 4 books/5 movies

[–]casra888 31 points32 points33 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They can identify with just standing around, not doing anything.

[–]blaze92x45Jr. Hamster Analyst 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bella had a personality just a shitty narcissistic one.

There was some analysis of the series that wasn't kind to her character

[–]Wolfkrone 38 points39 points40 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's Henry Cavill or I am fine with my cats - also modern women

[–]lorum_ipsum_dolorJr. Hamster Analyst 30 points31 points32 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Someone reported my post to Reddit and they reached out to me to make sure I'm ok. Glad to know a robot cares.

[–]Internet_Snowflake 25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Make sure you report back that it was an abuse of that feature. The troll who reported you can get banned.

[–]lorum_ipsum_dolorJr. Hamster Analyst 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks. I tried to report the abuse but can't exactly figure out how to "Link to Post/Comment/PM on Reddit". I tried pasting the message but that got rejected. Any advice?

[–]casra888 21 points22 points23 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Looks at Angelina jolie and thinks, "wow! She's actually me!"

[–]Internet_Snowflake 17 points18 points19 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Angie goes around with prosthetics now. Even I don't want her. Haha.

[–]luibot 15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I kNoW mAh WurF

[–]Vilhelmalucard77 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

busted out laughing seeing this one

[–]Mundane_Worldliness7Sr. Hamster Analyst 98 points99 points100 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

This is part and parcel of the belief that many women have that there can be nothing which belongs only to men. The Boys club must become the Boys and Girls club, the Boy Scouts must allow girls (having the Girl Scouts isn’t enough) and the definition of incel must be stretched from its original meaning to include women. Incel means involuntary celibate, and whilst you can come across some incels who are such because they think they deserve a super model, that isn’t the case with most. Guys are flexible, more flexible than women, a guy can easily go on tinder and find that no woman has swiped right within miles. It’s extremely rare for a woman to be in such a situation. As a rule, no matter how unattractive, unpleasant or insane, you can be sure that any woman you meet has multiple chances to settle down, remembering this as you go through your day is extremely helpful in avoiding feeling guilt. It’s like how the typical person in prison likely only gets convicted for a fraction of the crimes that they’ve actually committed, thus you shouldn’t really feel sorry for them.

[–]InevitableOwl1Swipes with a dictionary in hand 64 points65 points66 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I can’t stand the common incel narrative from women that all incels (yes that is right, ALL of them) are like it because they just want super models (Victoria secret models seem to be the accusation of choice)

It’s 100% weapon’s grade projection

[–]Mundane_Worldliness7Sr. Hamster Analyst 58 points59 points60 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, because women all know that they could get a man if they simply lowered their standards. They assume all men could do the same, when in reality only some men can. The bottom portion of guys cannot actually lower their standards as no woman wants them anyway.

[–]InevitableOwl1Swipes with a dictionary in hand 30 points31 points32 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think they also have no idea just how vastly different the dating options actually are. They do not realise how low the level of matches circa 80% of guys get on dating apps

Granted lots of women appreciate that their matches on such apps are mostly just guys wanting quick hookups. But even once filtering all those out (but i can see how that could get tiring) there will still be far more legit options left over

Women get majority matches when swiping. I sometimes think some reboot their profiles on a girls night in a make a game of swiping.

[–]ProfitgluttonThot-ese translator 20 points21 points22 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem is the bottom portion of men are absolutely invisible to most women. They have their own separate reality. But the worst problem is the amount of support they get ironically from those same bottom portion of men who want to look like an ally in hopes of getting laid one day. It basically makes it impossible to have a meaningful dialogue with them because they see their overwhelming support as validation that they are correct.

[–]I-am-the-lulAll Ass No Stick 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men already tend to be willing to lower their standards, especially for sex, hell even Chads often dumpster-dive for quick and easy sex which is why women are so eager to engage in hook-up culture.

[–]bigdaveyl 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Or that all incels hate women.

Pointing out observations is not hate.

[–]InevitableOwl1Swipes with a dictionary in hand 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Basically there is one definition now used that applies to all. And it is the very narrow one. All are the ugly, basement dwelling guys with no jobs who hate women and have manifestos.

The group is far bigger than that. Especially if you consider people who have had relationships and then not for some time

But there are lots of normal shy people who would fit the literal definition. Me as a teenager would fit the literal definition if I was a teen today. And it would have been pretty terrible for me then if the apparently “good guys” on the “right side of history” so casually and callously insulted me and grouped me in with a tiny group of legit awful people

[–]SwansonSamsonite 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You see this all the time on reddit, but I have yet to see a SINGLE instance of this in real life. Women seem to be unable to think of a reason why men would be unable to find anyone ever when it comes so natural to them.

That's where all the stereotypes come from. Do you smell? Do you look like a hobo? Do you tell women they belong in the kitchen? I mean just go out and don't turn down every girl who hits on you. What do you mean that doesn't happen? You just don't notice them because you are only aiming for supermodels.

[–]InevitableOwl1Swipes with a dictionary in hand 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s made extra absurd when you think how few supermodel looking women are out there

You could ask these women to come out on an average night out. Not even to observe you not getting approached. But ask them to count the “models” that you should not be bothering with. I expect it would either be a tiny number (the truth) or an absurdly large one (with the woman unconsciously ruling out anyone slightly more attractive than the guy in their opinion). Either answer would kind of prove a point in its own way

[–]Sufficient_Winter_45 73 points74 points75 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Only because they don't consider most men, it's beneath them to date someone of their own level. They want a 6' supermodel who makes $500K, owns a house, and isn't interested in other women. Of course, such a man doesn't exist. That's why they are "lonely".

[–]gobblegoobleoneofus 57 points58 points59 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yup. forever alone for men is having no conversations with anyone for two weeks straight. forever alone for women is just not being able to get the top tier guy she wants

[–]oxyoxyboi 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

6’4” is the standard now

[–]papa_elbee 66 points67 points68 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I've got zero sympathy for these women. They've made their bed—let them cozy up on them.

[–]thedaughterofzion1 points 3 years ago* [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm a woman and I'm not trying to get attention from anyone here (I'm happily married).

But seriously every single woman I know has incredibly high standards and when I have tried to pair them up with any man, he is just never good enough.

So, I believe these women are 100% lying.

[–]Overlordofwhatever 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not a lie if you truly believe it. They actually think that average guys are out banging girls left and right. They actually think that the guys they want are only slightly above average. They truly think that they shouldn't have to settle and deserve a Christian grey

[–]ialwayslurk1362354 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Preferences*

[–]Joaquino7997 51 points52 points53 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Women are forever alone because they want this one thing:

more

[–]LaLa_Land543Married Wahmyns 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Once upon a time I had plenty of nothing, Which was fine with me Because I had rhythm, music, love, The sun, the stars and the moon above, Had the clear blue sky and the deep blue sea. That was when the best things in life were free.

Then time went by and now I got plenty of plenty, Which is fine with me. 'Cause I still got love, I still got rhythm, But look at what I got to go with 'em. "Who could ask for anything more?", I hear you query. Who could ask for anything more? Well, let me tell you, dearie.

Got my diamonds, got my yacht, got a guy I adore. I'm so happy with what I got, I want more! Count your blessings, one, two, three I just hate keeping score. Any number is fine with me As long as it's more! As long as it's more! I'm no mathematician, all I know is addition I find counting a bore. Keep the number mounting, your accountant does the counting. (More! More!)

I got rhythm, music too, just as much as before Got my guy and my sky of blue, Now, however, I own the view. More is better than nothing, true But nothing's better than more, more, more Nothing's better than more. One is fun, why not two? And if you like two, you might as well have four, And if you like four, why not a few Why not a slew? More! More! (More! More!)

If you've got a little, why not a lot? Add and bit and it'll get to be an oodle. Every jot and tittle adds to the pot Soon you've got the kit as well as the caboodle. (More! More!) Never say when, never stop at plenty, If it's gonna rain, let it pour. Happy with ten, happier with twenty If you like a penny, wouldn't you like many much more? Or does that sound too greedy? That's not greed, no, indeedy That's just stocking the store. Gotta fill your cupboard, remember Mother Hubbard. (More! More!)

Each possession you possess Helps your spirits to soar. That's what's soothing about excess Never settle for something less. Something's better than nothing, yes! But nothing's better than more, more more (Except all, all, all) Except all, all, all Except once you have it all (have it all) You may find all else above (find all else above) That though things are bliss, There's one thing you miss, and that's More! More!

(More! More!) More! More! More! More! (More! More! More! More!) More! More! More! (More! More! More!)

[–]Watson_A_Name 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What is this from? This a poem or something?

[–]LaLa_Land543Married Wahmyns 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s a song from the 90’s Dick Tracy live action movie. Madonna’s character sang it (fitting for the “Material girl). The above comment reminded me of it. Great movie, but she and her character were both toxic femininity.

[–]Impossible-Income-13 29 points30 points31 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No woman is trully alone, what they mean by alone is hot and cute guys are not throwing themselves at them

[–]SceneAccomplished549 21 points22 points23 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Another one of these female only subs that make me have absolutely no sympathy for them....

[–]xbox2024 21 points22 points23 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

80% of the men that have lived on this earth died virgins vs 20% of women. Its why god gave men foreskins.

[–]Overlordofwhatever 17 points18 points19 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep in the olden times the ratio of reproductive success was 17 to 1 in women's favour. Yet somehow men were oppressing them and enjoying shit

[–]lurkerhasarisen1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

That's not true. DNA analysis determined that only 20% of men who have ever lived have living descendants. For women it's much higher. But just because a man has no living descendants doesn't mean he died a virgin. I have no kids, so my line dies with me, and I'm far from being a virgin. My brother has two kids, and it looks like they're both going to be childless, so when the last of them dies his line and my father's line also die. Obviously my father and brother aren't virgins, either, since they both sired children. My mother's line dies at the same time, so she's one of the minority of women who won't have living descendants, either.

Now if my neice has a kid (she may for all I know: she was disowned years ago because she's a slut), it's possible that my brother's and father's lines die out anyway because my brother's ex-wife cheated on him (a lot), and she might not be my brother's kid. Thus the disparity between male and female genetic legacies. A lot of men raised children that don't carry their DNA. The woman gets genetic immortality and the man (unknowingly) dies childless.

[–]polishknightusaEndorsed Winged Hussar 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's a key "caveat" to that 20% stat (if it's legit).

Probably 80% of those women did not CHOOSE the father of their children.

There's a reason why shows such The Bachelor have the cheesy tradition of the man asking the father of the girl he's about to take to the fantasy suite "bless" his proposal he might make to her: It was either the families that chose who betrothed the daughters, invaders, or economic necessity. Women slept with whom they were ordered to.

It's an interesting paradigm if you think about it: Imagine if you were largely guaranteed procreation but you couldn't pick whom it was with. For most of us men, that's not really a huge deal since most of us don't get our first pick anyway so all we get the leftovers of that. Women, however, have been provided with this concept of "traditional courtship" and "soulmates" promising them seemingly A Right (note the bold font) to pick THEIR ONE. That 'settling" is awful even as life is about settling. We all can't be astronauts, doctors, or CEOs.

[–]Standard_Hat6784 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That stat seems a bit off...I can't think of 1out of 5 women that are virgins...heck even the 400 pounders seem to be able to hook up. Then the men, I would venture to guess it's less than 20% in that category as well....but likely higher than the women.

[–]Bandit174 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

doesn't mean that 1/5 women never had sex just that their genetic lineage didn't carry on. They could have had sex and then died during child birth lost the pregnacy or given birth to sons who failed to reproduce

[–]xbox2024 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success

[–]Adventurous_Link_847 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Foreveralone Women: '"I'M STARVING!!!!"

Sensible person: "But you're in a high end restaurant, and they're giving the food away for free."

Foreveralone women: "Yes, but it's only sirloin. I want filet mignon - CAN'T YOU SEE THAT I'M LITERALLY STARVING!!!???"

[–]lorum_ipsum_dolorJr. Hamster Analyst 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Reminds me of how a cat will act like their food bowl is empty if they can see down through the food to the bottom.

[–]OddBelt987 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Just proves the theory that if you don't meet a woman's desired level of attractiveness, you are effectively invisible to them.

[–]throwawa-y1x7 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I do sometimes get that feeling. Like, I don't have options.

[–]Acearl 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is only partially true. The subreddit had to end unsolicited dms because people with malicious intentions were harassing them.

I have talked to dozens of women on the faw subreddit. Most are there to vent but the chronically lonely have a few common themes. Imo these are Fear, anxiety, and self pity. Most of these people are hurt either by trauma in childhood or a former partner. And most of the time the former partner acts extremely normal. Like there were no red flags for women to even perceive before the men got close enough to harm the woman.

There is no easy way out for these people that doesnt involve huge risk to the self. Which most women are not emotionally prepared for.

[+]Throwableshock -8 points-7 points-6 points 3 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link

Can make the same statement for some “forever alone” men too. A lot of the time it’s self-inflicted and a refusal to change.

[–]Ftpiercecracker1Jr. Hamster Analyst 56 points57 points58 points 3 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

I agree, but the difference between men and women in this area is monumental. All a woman has to do is pick from the hordes of men that aren't quite her perfect 10/10. Where as for the men there are only a small number in that "forever alone" group that with significant amounts of effort, toil and expense could claw their way up a couple notches and maybe just maybe get ghosted by a few more dates.

There is a kernel of truth to what you say, but there is absolutely no comparison between female FA and male FA.

[–]Aronacus 26 points27 points28 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

All a woman has to do is pick from the hordes of men that aren't quite her perfect 10/10.

But that's it. Let's say she's a 2 she wants the 10.

Or worse she was an 8 but 20 years of chasing has left her a 4 and still wants that 10.

Kevin Samuels showcased this all the time.

[–]Ftpiercecracker1Jr. Hamster Analyst 26 points27 points28 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm in total agreement.

The bottom line is women have options, they simply don't like their options. But they have options. That is the key take away that so very many people can't seem to grasp.

[–]bigdaveyl 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is what a lot of women I've talked to about the subject don't understand.

Women will complain that they have too much attention from men and a good percentage are just looking to get their you know whats serviced.

I usually tell them at least you're getting that far to find that out.

[–]Ftpiercecracker1Jr. Hamster Analyst 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

TBF it is it's own curse.

Imagine, if you had multiple women hitting you up everyday, but all they were doing is sending you a single message like "hey handsome" or "You're so hot" but its alwasy immediately followed by a link to their PayPal.

Are you really getting attention. Are these really "options"?

Obviously no.

They throw out an empty compliment to get your attention and then attempt to extract what they desire without evwr really giving back.

I think to some degree the same can be applied to women's experience. Sure they all get endless amounts of attention, but how many of those men are just wanting to get their ducks wet and how many actually want to date her?

I would love to know if this is something that could actually be calculated.

Obviously it's different for men. Most of us would love to have commitment free sex whenever we want, that's why I had to switch out relationship for sex.

Women only give out sex because it is the currency by which they 'buy' attention.

[–]Wolfkrone 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Damn I miss that guy

[–]Aronacus 20 points21 points22 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ma'am!

Ma'am you are average at BEST!

[–]Wolfkrone 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm running a show Ma'am you can't talk over me

[–]lurkerhasarisen1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

It's interesting that you say that. The origin of the word "incel" was an older woman describing her disappointment at not having the range of options she had when she was younger.

The fact that she called herself and women like her "incels" just demonstrates her unacknowledged privilege: to her, having more options than most men ever have is the same as having no options at all.

When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

That's why I coined the word "inspin" to describe those women. They're not incels (involuntary celibates) because they can get sex any time they want it with a swipe or a mouse click. What they can't get are husbands, which makes them inspins (involuntary spinsters). Even that is debatable: many of them are just too proud to pair off with a man on their level.

No woman under 70 is an incel... incel status is reserved for men (many of whom are better marriage prospects than the women who hate and denigrate them).

[–]Aronacus 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

100% agree.

I can't imagine what is must be like. at 18 a woman has all the choices in the world She's at her most valuable and each and every year she degrades.

As a man, at 18 I remember being turned down by the ones I wanted. Then, years later they'd reach out to me.

Oh, I see you bought a car. Oh, I see you bought a nice house.

If life is a race, most women are waiting at the finish line to fuck the winners.

I got lucky enough to meet a good woman and get married, have kids, etc. They aren't all bad. But, quite a few of my wife's friends have this mindset.

​

Most of them smell like cat piss and cigarettes. We are all old now, Chad's don't go after women who smell like cat piss and cigarettes. They will die alone.

[–]NotARussianBot1984 15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

TL:DR hypergamy fucks shit up, equal isn't equal anymore.

Let's put some fake numbers up. Let's say due to hypergamy and fucked up dating market, women can date 2 points up. So a 5/10 woman can date a 7/10 man without too much difficulty, and form a relationship. Let's say the a 4/10 guy goes on Tinder and matches with his 2/10 girl.

We're talking bottom 20% of the population, honestly, I expect AT LEAST that many people have no right being in a relationship and should stay single and work on themselves. Either crippling debt, relationship issues, past trauma, life crisis, or what have you, they aren't able to pair bond.

Can this guy date her? Ya, SHOULD HE? Hell no! And the flip side of a 4/10 girl dating a 6/10 guy? Totally fine, I'm sure they could have a normal decent relationship.

I don't blame the 4/10 guy for giving up, and not gambling he'll be a lucky one to be able to date an equal 4/10 girl, happens it's rare tho. Also the work required to make him 6/10 to date a 4/10 girl easier is A LOT of work, I understand why they prioritize other things.

[–]Ftpiercecracker1Jr. Hamster Analyst 26 points27 points28 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

TL:DR hypergamy fucks shit up, equal isn't equal anymore.

"Hypergamy isn't a bug in the system. It's a feature."

  • Rollo Tomassi

It's literally what kept us from going extinct as a species.

The reason why it's fucking shit up now is because females hypergamic nature never evolved to cope with a global sexual marketplace.

It evolved to deal with population sizes like villages, tribes, towns and small cities. People you could actually expect to run into during your day to day life.

With the advent of the internet and social media all of a sudden women's perceived dating/mate selection pool increased by orders of magnitude.

Suddenly what used to be a good catch for her area, a factory worker, small business owner, farmer, etc, is now bottom of the barrel because 500 miles away there is a millionaire hedge fund manager who just DMed her. Before the internet ans social media the odds of her knowing about and meeting that millionaire were basically zero. But now that she is aware such guys exist and those guys can contact her suddenly those guys in her area become worthless. Her hypergamy is simply raising the bar for entry without considering the likelihood of obtaining a guy on that extraordinary level. All hypergamy cares about is getting the "best" mate. But on these global scales hypergamy fails miserably because the top top guys are extremely few. Since all women are hypergamous it creates a lopsided dynamic. All women want men from a very small group completely casting aside countless other very good mates, because again hypergamy demands the "best" man, not just "good enough".

[–]Throwableshock -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

But these men also have standards that they enforce. They aren’t as restrictive in most cases though so I get what you’re saying. They may say they aren’t stringent but they still exist.

The grass is always greener…

[–]Ftpiercecracker1Jr. Hamster Analyst 22 points23 points24 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Overall, we are on the same page. There is just a disagreement in terms of scale.

Everybody has standards or expectations they won't budge on.

I am of the opinion that a woman that claims to be FA simply has unreasonable standards. What is "unreasonable" depends on her own attributes. A fat woman expecting a shredded guy, IMO, is an unreasonable standard.

Where as a man who is FA, while he too can have unreasonable standards, it is much more likely he literally has no one interested in him. So his standards are irrelevant as there is no one for him to apply those standards to.

Women have choices, but simply don't like what choices they are presented with.

Where many many men simply have no choices to begin with. Yes, they might be able to change this but that's another conversation.

[–]bigdaveyl 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Where many many men simply have no choices to begin with. Yes, they might be able to change this but that's another conversation.

Everyone (both men and women) have a ceiling. It's simple genetics and is compounded by socio-economic factors.

[–]Overlordofwhatever 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Their standards are meaningless. These people have no options. You can't enforce your standards on 0. That's not the same as women having options upon options but not liking them which is her choice unlike the person who doesn't. Doesn't mean she's wrong but she can't claim that she is incel. It literally means you have no choice in your celibacy. It's a fairly simple concept. It has been true for most of human civilization and it's true even today. The reason we see this problem rise up is because we have one of the highest male populations ever to exist.

[–]bigdaveyl 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have been thinking a lot lately and I think it has to do a lot with issues that have been presented in post modern society.

[–]InevitableOwl1Swipes with a dictionary in hand 28 points29 points30 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

No. Let’s not play that “but but men too!” game here. That is what the rest of Reddit and indeed the internet is for. The very meme itself should reflect that this isn’t true. Because these forever alone women turning men down are unlikely to be top tier catches. So the men drowning them with petitions are probably already being flexible.

But if that isn’t enough - read some of the other replies here

[–]Mundane_Worldliness7Sr. Hamster Analyst 20 points21 points22 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Indeed, it’s bizarre to see. Sure, two unemployed people can increase their prospects by lowering their demands, it’s still the case that a world renowned surgeon has more leeway to lower his demands than a professional fruit picker does. A woman who is a two can never date a five, but she sure can fuck one. To extent the five refuses to date her, she’s not an “incel” because she could easily date a four. A guy who is a two is in the bottom rung, he couldn’t hang around a desperate five and fuck her, nor could he lower his standards because all women on his level think that he is subhuman.

[+]Throwableshock -11 points-10 points-9 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m talking about men not changing themselves to become better. Not their standards.

[–]bigdaveyl 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Again, this is over played. Everyone has their ceiling which is generally determined by genetics and socio-economics.

If a guy has a nerdy face, he can lose all the weight in the world and get some muscles, become an engineer and be a 5 at best.

I'm not saying not to try, I'm just being realistic.

[–]Mundane_Worldliness7Sr. Hamster Analyst 25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is empirically untrue overall. There are masses of data which clearly show that online dating, most men find most women to be attractive whilst most women find most men to be unattractive. Obviously, there are hyper selective guys who basically make themselves incels, there are however a great many guys who have no prospects. It’s inconceivable that any woman could go on tinder and find that nobody has swiped right on her. Both sexes can lower standards to increase their prospects, but women have much more leeway to do this because big gamete v small gametes etc. Thus, most women claiming to be incels aren’t really that.

[–]IceWingAngel 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

As a man that has been in the FA community for years and befriended many of others along the way, I can safely say this is not the case the vast majority of the time lol.

[–]Throwableshock -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I’ve been on that sub for years too until I signed off of it and got better which led me to my engagement.

[–]IceWingAngel 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not speaking strictly towards the sub, but congrats nonetheless.

[–]Overlordofwhatever 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Throughout history one thing has remained constant. The reproductive success of women and it's true today as well. Most men have never been able to reproduce. There's a difference between not having any woman because you refuse to become a viable mate vs you refusing every mate that comes you way. You tell me which is worse?

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