My answer to posts about Feminism is about Equality but it changed.

63daddy · 2023-01-21T23:06:41+00:00

Feminists want advantages for women. It’s almost that simple.

Feminism has always been anti-male. Go read their declaration of sentiments from the early days of feminism. The whole document bashes men. It’s all about trying to create a divide between men and women.

rollinswag · 2023-01-22T00:24:23+00:00

The reality is that feminism was never organic and it's rise in popularity is because the people at the top of the hierarchy need it to be popular.

If you were in the MRA scene any time over the past 10 years you will have seen feminist arguments being destroyed in debate time after time. Feminist arguments did not go away and are being used to enact new laws and policies because that's what powerful people want.

As things are currently, men are viewed as evil and women are viewed as saints.The men who are attractive enough will internalise the message that they are evil and embrace it (bad boy stereotypes). Women believe all men are evil so naturally they go for the hotter ones. This means that a man who isn't attractive enough to get the approval of a woman will spend his whole life trying to prove he's not evil.

This means men are tunnel visioned towards women at all times. They are completely oblivious towards politics, their local community and to what their own standards and values should be.

If men are not energised and focussed, revolution is impossible and the hierarchy stays as it is. Very convenient for ((((those in charge))))) of media, banking, government etc.

Lonewolf_087 · 2023-01-22T04:44:08+00:00

Raising women up is a good thing, but the pushing down of men is what is dangerous. I have no issue whatsoever with women who seek success and I think that's positive progress. But where I draw the line is in a sense of entitlement which is to your point the pushing down of men. The number of times I see women saying something like "we don't owe you anything" is shocking. Like don't we owe it to each other to be compassionate and to take care of each other? To give and take? That shouldn't be a gender thing, it's a human right.

Shuddemell666 · 2023-01-22T20:09:59+00:00

Since hierarchy is an inevitable consequence of free choice, we have to realize that while a lot of hierarchies are maintained with violence, not all are. The most important hierarchies are maintained by COMPETENCE. This is an important distinction, especially when looking at the initial wrong headed assumptions of feminism.

New_Builder8597 · 2023-01-22T00:04:11+00:00

I'm interested in your ideas, but I wonder if as humans, removing hierarchy (in some circumstances at least) isn't possible. I'm not certain. I can't think of an example where it's worked, but other human traits (kill a rival, for example) have been somewhat tempered. I am 55 F and most of my relationships have had me socialised to be submissive (to a degree) to my male partner, and a big part of that has been as you propose, I had the greater need to maintain the relationship. But I have one (unrelated to the bedroom, more because of earning power) where I'm clearly the dominant partner. I try not to misuse the power differential but it's difficult not to. It makes my life easier that he is more than willing to do more than half the work. I'm uncomfortable at the unfairness but make little effort to change it. One of the things I do, however, is to concede arguments over issues that make no difference to me so that he feels he is right (even when I think I am).

I feel that women (answering in these threads) are often considered to be, for want of a better word, disruptive. But I am here to learn why your movement is so popular, and how I can do my part not to be mysandrist. How can I know what is causing gender wars unless I listen to the other side? How can I change my behaviour if I don't know which behaviours are offensive or abusive?

I hope, regardless of the other subreddits I follow, that you will continue to let me learn and participate, and that you will give me the benefit of the doubt, that I am not here to deny your lived experience, but to learn from it and to contribute my viewpoint occasionally.

UnconventionalXY · 2023-01-22T12:13:56+00:00

You can have a hierarchy that is non-oppressive when each person in the hierarchy is able to achieve personal happiness in expressing their own potential, even if they exist in a hierarchy based on other factors: happiness is fundamentally non-hierarchical when the lowliest function person can be as happy as a King by using their talents.

We don't reward people with happiness and rewarding people with money is pointless because money does not buy happiness, it just perpetuates the hierarchy and widens it.

That_Permission5911 · 2023-05-13T05:40:34+00:00

Love this thread. Feminism was rotten from the start. In the 1920s, the suffragists blamed men for all disease and the miscarriages of unborn babies. In the 2020s, same shit. In the UK, you have Julie Bindel saying men should be put in prison and shot at. In America, you have Julia Foxx laughing at male rape victims on Tiktok and telling them they deserved to be raped. Foxx, after cheering on female rapists, turns around and calls all men rapists. All men are evil, she said, take away all our guns, give them to the women, let the women shoot down all the men in the streets. She says too our penises are weapons, also to be taken away, for the safety of women. Pulling the rape card out while also shutting on actual rape victims. This women has so many followers it's unreal.

Burgersaur · 2023-01-21T22:53:38+00:00

Part of revolution is debasing the constructs around you that result in a hierarchical society. If you don't have elements of refusing and rejecting the idea of hierarchy you can only have a rebellion, not a revolution. A push for a truly equitable society can't simply reshuffle the totem pole.

Why is it that hierarchy can't be abolished or at least minimized to the point we can maintain an equatable and just society?

When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression, a statement that needs to be brought up. The wrongs set right by feminism aren't oppression.

Clockw0rk · 2023-01-22T02:20:15+00:00

Two short points:

There is no such thing as “human nature”.

You know nothing about Marxism.

The rest is trash.

watcherwho · 2023-01-22T22:02:05+00:00

For a second I’m going to play devils advocate. If feminism is based on hierarchy which is human nature, do you have an argument for why Mens rights wouldn’t also be a hierarchy?

CawlinAlcarz · 2023-01-26T18:06:30+00:00

I agree with you on this topic...

I agree that the idea of heirarchy is baked into human nature, and is anathema to Marxists (or why Marxism is anathema to human nature - either way you want to look at it).

I would add also that this idea of heirarchy is actually the reason why human progress exists at all, and since you brought it up, I believe that not only is Marxism a flawed idea due to these inalienable aspects of human nature, but further, that Marxism would set humanity and human progress back, or stifle it entirely (assuming it figured out a way to adequately squash the heirarchy instinct).

Yozora1337 · 2023-05-21T18:38:39+00:00

Equality don't work either, hypergamy don't allow it.

Title	My answer to posts about Feminism is about Equality but it changed.
Author	tiredfromlife2019
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Date	January 21, 2023 10:47 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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