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Korea: Seoul removes women-only parking spaces in gender policy reversal

furchfur

February 18, 2023
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Title Korea: Seoul removes women-only parking spaces in gender policy reversal
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furchfur

Upvotes 331
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Date February 18, 2023 11:30 PM UTC
(3 years ago)
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Comments

[–]63daddy 133 points134 points135 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

It’s interesting that the article indicates that being pro-equality and against discrimination is viewed as anti-feminist.

[–]denisc9918 91 points92 points93 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It is eh, an admission of what feminism actually is.... excellent news.

[–]TheSnesLord 23 points24 points25 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

And of course the problem is, as I'm sure you already know, is that the braindead Normies of society still think feminism is about equality.

I mean, those WhatsApp messages and other evidence clearly proves that the Tates are innocent and that the two women planned to frame them using false accusations, but the Normies don't care about this as long as they get to blindly white knight for women.

[–]denisc9918 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

the braindead Normies of society still think feminism is about equality.

I'm starting to think that maybe we should have some measure of pity for these people, they're obviously handicapped to some degree...

Instead of trying to use logic and facts, which they clearly can't comprehend, maybe we should be kinder and pleasantly just say "Yes dear, I sure you're right" and end the pointless conversation.... ;-)

[–]throwawayincelacc 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Voters baby!

[–]ABeeBox 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Says a lot about feminism..

[–]gafgone5 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The kicker is: pro-equality=anti feminist.

[–]TheSnesLord 76 points77 points78 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

"Such a move feeds into what critics say is a culture of anti-feminism that has characterised South Korean politics over the past few years.

Men in South Korea increasingly argue that polices designed to advantage women are discriminatory.

The current government has removed the term "gender equality" from its school ethics curriculum and is trying to close its gender equality ministry.

Oh Kyung-jin from the Korean Women's Association is disappointed the spaces are being removed but is more concerned about the wider trend.

"The government is trying to push ahead with anti-feminist policies, and now we can see these regressive policies feeding through into local governments," she said.

But male pilot Cho Young-jae thinks the women-only spaces need to go.

"These spaces do discriminate against men", the 34-year-old said.

The city government plans to start converting the spaces at the end of March.

This is absolutely fantastic.

Let's hope this is the start of getting rid of all the policies and laws that advantage women and disadvantage/discriminate against men. All these "Ministry of Gender Equality" type organizations are just misandrists disguised as "equality".

As I've always said, those Korean anti-feminist guys know how to get things done. Unlike the absolute wimps that are Western men.

[–]63daddy 28 points29 points30 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, it would be great to see discriminatory laws here in the west start to be overturned, bud sadly we see the opposite.

[–]Professional-You2968 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Finally some sanity, thanks for copying the article.

[–]TheSnesLord 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just to let you know, I didn't copy the entire article though.

[–]sunzi23 39 points40 points41 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Based

[–]Njaulv 22 points23 points24 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol they are literally prioritizing adult women's safety over children essentially here. According to what the feminists want.

So not women and children first when the boat is sinking or to be possibly attacked, but women of driving age first, then children below driving age, including girls, then men.

[–]5de1 20 points21 points22 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Luckily Seoul is fighting the feminists.

If that makes us labelled "anti-feminist", so be it. We need to push forward to make progress.

[–]jacare_o 34 points35 points36 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Good. Now they should make the Korean conscription laws equal for both genders as well, or remove them completely. Korean men are conscripted for 2 yrs, and they barely get any salary during that time (a friend said $30 a month. They don't have enough money to get a taxi to visit home during leave), while the women continue to live their lives as they please.

[–]Wadeem53 22 points23 points24 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And yet Korean women say they are more oppressed 🤡

[–]CoolAnthony48YT 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

2 yrs,

I think in the North it is 10 years

[–]blaizken_420 23 points24 points25 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

They need more stuff like this after being ruled by a literal feminist cult for so long. Glad to see the latest president getting to work.

[–]bilgediver 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

they still require men to serve in the military but not the women. Literally giving women a leg up in the workforce

[–]pearl_harbour1941 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't click on BBC links, so thanks to u/TheSnesLord for copying and pasting.

...policies designed to advantage women are discriminatory.

It's utterly insane how the Beeb can write this with a straight face. Do you have to pass a test in double-think to be employed at the Beeb? Any policy that advantages one group over another group IS discriminatory. FFS. See why I don't give them the clicks?

[–]TheSnesLord 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Just to let you know - I didn't copy the entire article though.

[–]pearl_harbour1941 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I actually found the article without having to click on the Beeb, and I did read it all. Thanks anyway.

[–]AnonymouslyFlustered 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“Critics say their removal is just the latest example of anti-feminist policies in South Korea.” What kind of delusional entitled bitches are we dealing with?

[–]BadOman 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Korea is very safe amd people keep to themselves and by large don't steal.

Where even is the danger?

[+]TheNewMasterofTime -30 points-29 points-28 points 3 years ago (60 children) | Copy Link

In principle, I actually support women-only parking spaces just so long as its a managed system.

If there are always empty spaces then they need to cut down for example.

Thing is, I am not for equality across the board because I don't see men and women as being generally equal. I think women need more help and protection and that's fine. What isn't fine is them pretending they never needed the help or protection.

[–]furchfur[S] 27 points28 points29 points 3 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Thing is, I am not for equality across the board because I don't see men and women as being generally equal

If you go down this route and say women need special priveliges because they are women what are the priveliges that you would give to men only? Or do only females get special priveliges?

[+]TheNewMasterofTime -22 points-21 points-20 points 3 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Its a fallacy that giving one group a special priviledge requires a separate group to get one too.

Its like saying the installation of an elevator for those in wheel chairs means the able bodied people have to get something too.

I mean yeah, there are areas I do believe men (in general) should be able to get special privileges, but that is all well beyond the scope of this specific situation and far more complex.

[–]Professional-You2968 15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

The parallel you are making between women and disabled people is just... Wow.

[–]IceCorrect 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its great analogy, beacuse I saw EU prgorams that give women as much extra points as disabled person.

[+]denisc9918 -9 points-8 points-7 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Giving you an example to try and better clarify his point is hardly a parallel.

[–]Professional-You2968 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

It's ironic that you can't see it. And the parallel is revealing of what people like this really think of women.

[+]denisc9918 -7 points-6 points-5 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

that's just all rubbish. It's not a friggin parallel.

[–]Professional-You2968 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunately it is, and it exposes the true beliefs of this person.

[+]TheNewMasterofTime -13 points-12 points-11 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Its an analogy.

WTF are you even thinking? A parallel?

God damn. Dumbest crap I read all day, and I have been reading some damn dumb crap.

[–]Professional-You2968 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Severe lack of arguments I see :)

[–]TheNewMasterofTime -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Its an analogy = argument.

Any more hur dur you have to add?

[–]Professional-You2968 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, your way of thinking and reaction when called out have been revealing enough. :)

[–]EmirikolWoker 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You sure are an expert at hur dur.

[–]Professional-You2968 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A true master indeed. The projection and salt is amusing.

[–]TheNewMasterofTime -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Great. Could you leave me alone please?

[–]furchfur[S] 28 points29 points30 points 3 years ago (35 children) | Copy Link

Men are 20 times more likley to be attacked murdred or robbed and you want women only parking.

[+]denisc9918 -6 points-5 points-4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What's the number in carparks that have women only spaces?

[+]TheNewMasterofTime -17 points-16 points-15 points 3 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link

Do you honestly believe the parking situation has altered the stats on men being attacked or murdered?

I mean your stat is real and all, but I don't see it applying much to this situation. The article says: "Government figures in 2021 showed more than two-thirds of violent crimescommitted in the city's car parks were sexual crimes: rape, sexualassault and harassment."

Definitely not trying to deny that men are also victims, they are, but we all know the majority of sex crime victims, at least in situations like this, are female.

Add to that the simple fact there are more women with children in tow, women struggle more with objects they are carrying, and only women can be pregnant. Women need more help and protection in this specific situation.

[–]furchfur[S] 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link

That is the biased man hating BBC.

Including harrasment as a violent crime simply to manipulate the figures. If they just included rape I suspect the figure would be zero.

[+]TheNewMasterofTime -6 points-5 points-4 points 3 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link

It sounds like you live in a basement parking lot in Seoul you know so much!

​

Including harrasment as a violent crime simply to manipulate the figures.

​

No chance of an innocent mistake to throw that in with the rest??? Harassment may not be violent, but does that mean its not significant??

If there is no rape, does that mean that beating a woman, ripping off her skirt and underwear and dry humping her is just a nothing burger??

[–]pearl_harbour1941 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (28 children) | Copy Link

If you dig into the definitions of "harassment" and the like, you'll find that it includes scenarios such as "thought it might happen to her", or "felt uncomfortable", and even "was scared of a perceived threat".

I have no trouble believing that women feel scared a lot of the time, but if you include every emotion every woman feels and label it as an incident of sexual assault, it loses all meaning.

[–]TheNewMasterofTime -5 points-4 points-3 points 3 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link

NIce hair splitting.

(slow clap)

I actually care more about the actual violence...which I am going to assume did happen.

[–]Clemicus 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Hair splitting? You pulled a Strawman and now you’re misconstruing something to be hair splitting. Harassment shouldn’t have been on the list.

Yes, it’s insignificant to the rest and all this boils down to is feeling safe. It isn’t actually direct action to tackle it and most of your points you tied to women, would actually be helped with family parking spots

[–]TheNewMasterofTime 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You cherry picked the point about harassment, ignored the point about sexual assault and further declared that you doubted rape even happened.

Strawman? No idea where you pulled that from.

​

It isn’t actually direct action to tackle it

Not everything has to be DIRECT action to be helpful. FFS

Would you refuse an ice bath to reduce a deadly fever because it won't cure the influenza directly?

​

and most of your points you tied to women, would actually be helped with family parking spots

On the one hand I don't deny a woman without kids can run faster. On the other it does not mean she can outrun the typical man.

[–]Clemicus 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You cherry picked the point about harassment, ignored the point about sexual assault and further declared that you doubted rape even happened.

I'm not the previous poster so I've got no idea where you got that from. The statistics are skewed due to harassment being added to them and no, I am not cherry picking you fuck

On the one hand I don't deny a woman without kids can run faster. On the other it does not mean she can outrun the typical man.

You don't even remember wtf you wrote. You mentioned taking care of the children and being pregnant and carrying shopping, etc

[–]pearl_harbour1941 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

It's interesting.Back in 1992, the vast majority of carpark crime (82%) was theft of a car (not a gendered issue), with sexual offences making up just1% of carpark crime and violence making up 10%. [Source: https://www.britsoccrim.org/volume7/003.pdf]

In 2021, Korea passed the Framework Act on Gender Equality, which defines "sexual harassment":

  1. The term "sexual harassment" means a case in which any employee, employer, or worker of a State agency, local government, or public organization prescribed by Presidential Decree (hereinafter referred to as "State agency, etc.") commits any of the following offenses in terms of duties, employment, and other relations:

(a) Making the other party feel sexual humiliation or aversion with verbal or physical behavior of a sexual nature, sexual demand, etc., utilizing his or her position or in relation with his or her duties, etc.;

(b) Expressing one's intention to put the other party at a disadvantage on grounds of not complying with any verbal or physical behavior of a sexual nature or other demands or to grant him or her any benefit on condition of complying therewith; [Source: https://www.law.go.kr/LSW/eng/engLsSc.do#liBgcolor1 search terms "gender equality"

The bold sentence is a pretty broad definition, don't you think?

If you read it carefully, it actually includes NON-sexual demands:

"Expressing one's intention to put the other party at a disadvantage on grounds of not complying with...other demands"

As I said, it includes things that never happened.

But. You know. You go ahead and assume it happened.

[–]TheNewMasterofTime -4 points-3 points-2 points 3 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

You go ahead and

assume

it happened.

Rape and sexual assault are in mthrfking article.

So why don't you get off my mthrfking back and go after the mthrfcking BBC if you have a mthrfcking issue?

[–]pearl_harbour1941 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

They don't give ANY links to ANY sources. So exactly how do I trust that they are telling the truth?

Btw, neither do you give sources to back up your claims.

[–]killcat 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

"Sexual violence" INCLUDES harassment, maybe you mean sexual assault.

https://www.rainn.org/types-sexual-violence

[–]TheNewMasterofTime -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't care what rainn says. I doubt the gov. of South Korea does either.

What happened with the author of the article, IDK.

But I still care most about the actual physical violence, sexual or not. Am I allowed?

[–]killcat 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Like I said clarify your definition do you just mean rape? Or all aspects of sexual assault? Or all aspects of violence, sexual or not?

[–]TheSnesLord 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Embarrassing white-knighting. Are you from FDS?

[–]TheNewMasterofTime -5 points-4 points-3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you deny the high statistic of violent sex crime happening in the parking areas or do you deny that its primarily women facing victimization?

Or are you trying to say that men were getting murdered there and got murdered more since the change?

I don't even know what FDS is and I am no white knight. FFS

[–]Fearless-File-3625 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

If they can't park like men, they don't deserve to drive like men. You can't have special protections for women, given everything else is same because that's a blatant privilege and comes at the expense of men.

If you want to protect women, then go ahead do it at the expense of women, like women are not allowed to park/drive in areas with high crime rates.

[–]TheNewMasterofTime 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Driving. and walking away from a parked car, are completely different things. Children can walk away from a parked car.

And now that its mentioned those with kids should have special parking privilege as well.

Affording the weak a benefit to cover the weakness is NOT a blatant privilege. This is not a sport's event.

like women are not allowed to park/drive in areas with high crime rates.

That is not remotely practical.

Could you keep to the topic of this parking lot situation?

I cannot see how men are being so every invconvenienced but I can see how the already imbalanced situation with sexual assault is being addressed....not that it gets balanced or should be....but sexual assaults should get reduced over all.

After all, most of the perps are men and putting them further away helps keep those perps in check. Its no different than putting the women's toilets further down the hall.....which does not add convenience to women but merely more capacity to detect a criminally minded male.

[–]Fearless-File-3625 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Affording the weak a benefit to cover the weakness is NOT a blatant privilege. This is not a sport's event.

Yes it, deny it all you want. Won't change the reality.

If you want to protect women so bad, do it by yourself. Don't force other men, especially from other side of the world, to participate in your self-degrading women worshipping rituals.

That is not remotely practical.

Perfectly practical.

XYZ has high rates of crime. Women can't park in XYZ area.

Very easy to do with modern technology.

I cannot see how men are being so every invconvenienced

Of course you can't. You are, after all, a women worshipping simp.

I can see how the already imbalanced situation with sexual assault is being addressed

There is no link between women only parking area and less SA.

most of the perps are men

Because majority of women perps are never caught, charged, prosecuted or convicted.

[–]TheNewMasterofTime -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You are, after all, a women worshipping simp.

Well, this just shows your hand as a troll.

You will have to go troll someone else now.

[–]Fearless-File-3625 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Take that advice yourself and fuck off.

[–]pm_me_your_buttbulge 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I actually support women-only parking spaces

I'm curious. The implication being here that they are either incapable of using standard spaces or hugely benefit from having special parking spaces.

In what ways do you think women-only spaces are needed or they need help in ways men specifically do not?

I think women need more help and protection and that's fine.

That's odd. So a small male doesn't need help or protection is the implication here?

What isn't fine is them pretending they never needed the help or protection.

No one is making this claim? The claim being made is some men also need help. Your implication is they do not need help or the vast majority of women are so inferior to men that they need a hand to hold.

This goes against everything first and second wave feminism fought for - so your argument is going to need to be stronger than decades of what they fought for of which I can't imagine one.

I can understand segregating the Olympics based on sex but... parking spaces? Are you prepared to argue that 100 meters of walking is so imposing on women but not men that they need help and men don't?

[–]TheNewMasterofTime -5 points-4 points-3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This goes against everything first and second wave feminism fought for

No it doesn't.

It goes against what third and fourth wave feminists simply believe.

Why do I think women are weaker and need protection?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeRV6tgkIjw

And do you know that South Korean men pretty much all have to serve in the armed forces? (and don't you dare say I support that. I am just telling you a fact.)

So yeah, I think men who generally underwent military training AND are apparently not being targeted in underground city parking lots don't need any special protection...but women do.

​

In what ways do you think women-only spaces are needed or they need help in ways men specifically do not?

Getting women closer to crowded public space entrances gives her a better chance to avoid the sex predators the statistics say are using those spaces.

[–]ABeeBox 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I think women need more help and protection

But if men are by far the largest victims of homicide and violence, then by pushing men to park into further and darker areas of the car park just only propagates the problem?

This is like trying to solve a meth addiction by giving heroin, You only come out with two addictions, and you don't solve the original problem.

I in no way believe that men should be parked closer to the building, because if someone is in danger regardless of gender, they should have the same opportunities of seeking safety.

It's also the same thing we see with suicide and homelessness. A majority of homeless people are male, yet there are more facilities that house only women. Majority of suicides are committed by men, but again, there are more facilities that house only women, and in my country, there are ZERO for men and 32 for women. Psychiatry is also focused more around women.

I even had a personal experience of my own where I was self harming and having daily panic attacks and when I finally went to seek help, they gave me a pamphlet with their number and breathing methods. Someone I know, a woman, had a depressive episode like me, except no self harm, only a single panic attack, she got paid time off work, she was transfered to a better clinic, and she was kept there for a while, she was given evaluation and treatment, she was sent home, And had someone check up on her every day for two weeks to make sure she was okay. That was my wake up call for how people truly don't give af about men.

[–]TheNewMasterofTime -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you may have misunderstood the part you quoted.

I am not really saying that women are not protected nearly enough. I am not saying we are generally failing women. And I am not saying that above and beyond the parking spaces, there is so much more we need to do.

NO.

I am saying that in general, women need more physical protection than men, simply because 1) most violence is from men and 2) women naturally lack the ability to protect themselves from those men.

And that goes double there in South Korea since most adult males have undergone military training.

As for the stats on violence against men, I am not remotely denying them. They are evidence of how well women are protected. Are we failing men? YES! But who is failing men? The sad answer is its us men.....cause we cannot expect women to protect us from violence.

We men have MUCH more capacity for physical violence. Have I relied on that? HELL NO! I lifted weights. I got some gun training. I took martial arts classes. I never hesitate to absorb information about war if its in my feed.

I consider this a natural and obvious condition of me simply being a man.

On the flip side am I annoyed that there is less emotional and financial support for men? YOU BET I AM.

And I would be very happy to give up some fking parking spaces to see more homeless and rape shelters for men.

[+]denisc9918 -26 points-25 points-24 points 3 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link

This is a BAD thing. One of the very rare times I actually agree with TheNewMasterofTime.

For those here celebrating this;

  • Government figures in 2021 showed more than two-thirds of violent crimes committed in the city's car parks were sexual crimes: rape, sexual assault and harassment

This is not a feminist issue this is a Public Safety issue.

Women and Men are NOT the same. Women are far less likely to be able to defend themselves compared to men. Women also tend to have kids with them more often than men so it helps keep the kids safe as well. If anything it should have been extended to include idk, guys over 65?..

The idea that we should ignore the safety of women generally because of a small number of FF or a bunch of immature children saying "feminism is about equality" is repulsive. What's next Male Firefighters won't rescue women from burning buildings... SMH

Men should protect those less able to protect themselves, people of any description. This isn't about Systematic inequality or A women that may falsely claim SA, this is about the safety of your MOTHERS, DAUGHTERS, SISTERS...

Your grandfathers would be fkn ashamed of you.

/u/furchfur /u/TheSnesLord /u/Fearless-File-3625

nb: Don't bother with any "yeah but they want equality" or "they went along with it" stuff. I KNOW they do.. but that just puts them into the immature children class and we should protect them anyway.

[–]GimmeDaScoobySnacks 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Men should protect those less able to protect themselves, people of any description

If women don't owe men shit, then men don't owe women shit either. Protect yourself.

Equality for all.

[–]ExMuzzy 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

This why I've never trusted tradcons when they call themselves mra's, like the person you replied to. They often spout the same shit that feminists do.

[–]denisc9918 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Oh please, did you actually read anything I said, here or in my history? FF are the most despicable things on the fkn planet.

You need to do more than just open your mouth to be right.

[–]ExMuzzy 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes and I still stand by my point

[–]denisc9918 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

They often spout the same shit that feminists do.

So you could easily point to where I've ever done that?

cause making shit up with no basis in fact is a pretty feminist thing to do and you wouldn't be doing that now would ya?

[–]ExMuzzy 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't need to make anything up, it's right there in your original comment. Feminists also have been telling men to step up and protect women from other men as though we owe it to them.

I will protect the people close to me; man, woman, or child. Barring the children, they would do and have done the same for me. However, it is not my duty to nor will I put my life at risk for casual friends or strangers. I would simply call the people who do have that duty, the police.

[–]denisc9918 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Feminists also have been telling men to step up and protect women

That's a fkn stretch, it's more often; "Men need to stop killing and abusing us, and then we won't need any protection."

I will protect the people close to me;

Oh how wonderful and tough you are.

You with your Mother, wife. daughter every fkn time they go shopping are you?

A few car spaces just might save one of your people when you're not around.

[–]ExMuzzy 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm surprised you've never ran into a modern woman who still expects men to fulfill their traditional gender roles when it comes to providing for and protecting them, but will call you sexist for wanting them to be a housewife.

[–]denisc9918 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course I have and they can go fk themselves. Problem is they're a minority and we're talking about something that benefits ALL women. I bet your women don't think like that, mine don't either, how many others are there?

The fact that it would also benefit the fkwits is a shitty side effect that I can't see any way around so I'd rather suck it up than put all the other women at even the slightest unnecessary risk.

It should be Women and Seniors, the two most vulnerable groups in this situation. lol, despite some of those old bastards being such pitas...

[–]denisc9918 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"If women don't owe men shit" - Pretty sure you've been listening to too many dipshits on social media.

"Protect yourself" - How? You can't protect yourself! At this minute you're relying on any number of societal rules and conventions to keep you safe.

"Equality for all" - What does that even mean?

[–]pearl_harbour1941 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Spare me.

Men People should protect those less able to protect themselves.

FIFY. Don't be unnecessarily sexist.

Government figures in 2021 showed more than two-thirds of violent crimes committed in the city's car parks were sexual crimes: rape, sexual assault and harassment

Right. And here's Korean legislation: https://www.law.go.kr/LSW/eng/engLsSc.do

Search for "gender equality" and you'll come up with their 2021 law on that subject. The definition of a sexual assault is so meaningless as to include NON-sexual NON-happenings. Literally things that never happened, that weren't sexual.

So there's that.

But also, research from Korea about carpark crime shows that 1% of carpark crime was sexual in nature. If that's 2/3rds of all violent carpark crime, then we're talking about 1.5% of all carpark crime. Not exactly news to write home about.

I wonder why the BBC didn't give the exact stats on that....

You deserve more downvotes for your shaming attempt. Just don't.

[+]denisc9918 -14 points-13 points-12 points 3 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Men People should protect those less able to protect themselves.

Did you miss this bit...

  • Women and Men are NOT the same. Women are far less likely to be able to defend themselves compared to men.

Is this NOT TRUE?

This is just biological fact of life and I care nothing about "The definition of a sexual assault". If it can prevent ANY ASSAULT it's a good thing. If you want to car jack someone who you going to pick, some dude or a petite female with a few kids? If we can reduce this in any way with a few car spaces then we should!

I hope it's a successful "shaming attempt" and at least one person here wakes up to themselves, the idea that this is good is ridiculous.

  • What's next Male Firefighters won't rescue women from burning buildings...

You skipped this bit, how come?

FIFY. Don't be unnecessarily sexist.

Just don't

I'll be and do whatever I damn well like and it isn't fkn sexist to acknowledge and work with biological facts.

You deserve more downvotes

OMG, please please, not the downvotes... SMH

[–]ABeeBox 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Women and Men are NOT the same. Women are far less likely to be able to defend themselves compared to men.

We are living in a progressive world and yet still expect traditional values from men? That's not fair. You can't have your cake and eat it. It is true that they are not the same, but this is why feminism is so anti-masculinity. Men are more abrasive, they are more likely to request promotions and raises, they are more likely to work harder to reach a promotion, they are stronger and that's why they're more likely to be hired for hard labour, and they take more risks hence entrepreneurship is more common with men. Feminists HATE that and so now we have Diversity quotas, paid menstrual leave (in some countries e.g. Spain), and the whole gender pay gap argument that may exist in some countries, but has been debunked in many western countries (oh, except Google, that did/does pay Women more than men).

What's next Male Firefighters won't rescue women from burning buildings...

What does that have to do with anything? That's obviously not the case but what is the argument you are trying to make?

I'll be and do whatever I damn well like and it isn't fkn sexist to acknowledge and work with biological facts.

"A woman should be in the kitchen making food and keeping the house clean" is considered sexist, because it brings expectation of a woman solely based on her sex, it's the same exact thing as "Men should protect women", whatever happened to strong independent women who don't need men? I hear it ALL the time. "You don't need no man", recently on a tv show I saw a group of women hitting glasses and saying "to us, and for not needing men". Or I also heat "I don't need a man to speak for me", "I don't need a man to stand up for me", "I don't need a man to tell me what to do", "I don't listen to men unless..", "the world would be a better place without a man" etc.

But as soon as they need help, it's "Why won't men.." and "Men are pigs because..." And "Silence is deafening", and ofcourse the demands for lifting heavy boxes, fixing something technical, reaching to get something etc.

It's a progressive world, and with the effects of feminism, the traditional man is soon no more, women will have to protect themselves, fix their own stuff, lift heavy boxes, and die in wars just like men. It sucks, as I wouldn't mind a mix of traditional and progressive values, but it is what it is.

[–]denisc9918 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You should probably mark your edits mate, I didn't see that last bit unti just now.

the traditional man is soon no more, women will have to protect themselves, fix their own stuff, lift heavy boxes, and die in wars just like men.

Will not ever happen. Without men doing all the dirty, hard and dangerous jobs society would collapse very quickly.

The elites will kill FF soon enough, it's starting to show signs of it's end of life.

[–]denisc9918 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

strong independent women who don't need men

Is a bullshit FF talking point and we know it! FF aren't ALL women.

This is exposing our MOTHERS, DAUGHTERS, SISTERS to more possible lurking fkn animals than we have to. We should want Equality of Opportunity not Equality of Exposure to Possible Danger.

Getting all pissy because of ALL women having a few car spaces closer to the light and other people is pathetic.

Remove all the dimwits that believe FF is about equality and I'll happily contribute to some dark place to shove all the hard core despicable FF.

[–]Fearless-File-3625 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Protect women all you want (btw they will only shit on your face later) but don't do at the expense of men.

[–]denisc9918 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Oh be serious please. Men have been protecting women & children since the dawn of time. It's one of our main biological imperatives.

[–]Fearless-File-3625 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes that was a big mistake, that's why they are so spoilt.

[–]denisc9918 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So eons of protecting them but somehow they've only become spoilt and stupid in the last what 20? yrs... Doesn't really stack up.

[–]Fearless-File-3625 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

200 yrs.

[–]IceCorrect 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Women also tend to have kids with them more often than men so it helps keep the kids safe as well.

Did you read article? "The new family spots will be made available to pregnant women or people travelling with children."

Rest of your answers basicaly say that men must be expandable for the life of women and I just ask why should they? Do women would ever do the same for them?

[–]denisc9918 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh boo hoo, I forgot 1 part of the article. Doesn't negate everything I said.

Do women would ever do the same for them?

I've already answered that, didn't you read everything I said?

[–]IceCorrect 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is, beacuse it was your only logical point.

I've just read all your responses in this thread and I don't see one point when you said so

[–]TheNewMasterofTime -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is a BAD thing. One of the very rare times I actually agree with TheNewMasterofTime.

This will happen more as time goes on.

And though your support is backhanded, I still appreciate it.

I am actually getting harassed and stalked for my views on this now, and its a very bad look for the sub and movement.

[–]denisc9918 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This will happen more as time goes on.

Yeah, unlikely. Not really supporting you mate, I just happen to agree with you on this subject.

getting harassed and stalked for my views

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