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Yong men are now lonely because…Patriarchy?

JollyFawn90

February 27, 2023
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Title Yong men are now lonely because…Patriarchy?
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JollyFawn90

Upvotes 139
Comments 56
Date February 27, 2023 4:34 AM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/11d2rsv/yong_men_are_now_lonely_becausepatriarchy/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/yong-men-are-now-lonely-becausepatriarchy.1153193
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And they tell us AI is unbiased.

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We got em kings. They triggered.

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And they tell us AI is unbiased.

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I don’t understand why feminists still deny that women are the dominant group in todays society. Why do they deny that we no longer live in a patriarchy. I see stuff like this all the time in the mainstream and even on this ad on Reddit.

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Why N count is and should be important to men. Brilliant post by a fellow user on this site.

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Top comment on this question. It makes me sick how bad it’s become. They don’t even try to hide the hate anymore.

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I still don’t get why feminists deny that society by and large has made women the dominant gender. That we are no longer in a patriarchy. Especially when stuff like this is all over media, even ads I see on Reddit

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[–]Ok-Translator2294 60 points61 points62 points 3 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

Just go through author's profile and you'll notice how woke and anti male she is.

Here's a sample

[–]JollyFawn90[S] 32 points33 points34 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn, that’s pretty bad. I don’t know how people like her can be okay with being a walking contradiction. There really is no logic to it.

[–]odysseytree 24 points25 points26 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's another example of a woman writing men.

[–]Longjumping_Cry4002 23 points24 points25 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The fact that women are still surprised that men are avoiding them in the workplace now, really does make me laugh lol

[–]bottleblank 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It bears remembering that they're not necessarily all the same women.

Not that I mean to excuse the hypocrites who do say both "ew, men, creepy" and "where did all the men go?", they deserve all the flack they get.

But I'd have to imagine that there are women out there genuinely more lonely than they'd otherwise be if not for the rampant feminist demonisation of men.

You'd hope they'd stand up to their fellow sisters and tell them to knock it off with the harmful generalisations, but in doing that they'd risk being perceived as being traitorous anti-feminists (or having "internalised misogyny") for disagreeing even slightly with the wholesale feminism package, even if they openly agree with every other aspect of it.

[–]Lonewolf_087 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Hookup culture needs to die. As does this belief that all men are inherently toxic and that men are accessories to their life, and that men don't "deserve" relationships or to be loved. Every person on this planet deserves to be loved in some way the fact that people want to bury that fact and go on with life is catastrophic. I don't know when everything got so god damned bitter and entitled but I see a huge huge lack of empathy and that kills off any kind of love and the only thing left then is just lust. We got more young men than ever going section 8 and they get no love from anyone.

[–]bottleblank 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I don't know either. I'm sure online dating hasn't helped, especially the current, modern form of it. I don't understand, honestly. I grew up a couple of decades ago, so perhaps I'm just out of touch - well, clearly I always was, because I've never had a relationship. But it makes it very difficult to hold onto hope that I will, when everything feels so shallow and bitchy.

But then, on the other hand, who am I to tell people they can't have hookup culture, if they want it? It's not for me, OK, but then neither is BDSM, and I have no desire to tell people who are into it that they can't have it.

I really don't know how to square that circle. I just have to keep thinking there must be people out there who think like me, who think like us. But I don't know where to even start looking for them. Apps are a snake pit, clubs are hookup zones, and... where else even is there? Where do you even meet new people? How do you mark out that you're not looking for a hookup without being called a liar?

[–]Lonewolf_087 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It used to be "anywhere" you could meet people as long as you presented yourself well but the places these days where such advances are socially acceptable are very limited. Social clubs, groups, etc are still options but you have more limited reach and opportunities there before it dries out. Plus you can't really do those kinds of things without at least enjoying the activity or it's just a time waste. I'm not sure what the future holds to be honest. I guess I keep on trying and see where things lead but it's been difficult.

[–]bottleblank 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, that's about my only plan. Just keep my eyes open for potential opportunities and, if possible, take them. It's frustrating that I can't see a way to being more proactive, but you have to play the hand you're dealt, I guess.

[–]bottleblank 31 points32 points33 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

To quote myself from another discussion about this article:

[...] you don’t need to be in a relationship to be happy. I think that rather than focusing on young men being single, the real problem is the fact that men don’t have friends

...says attractive middle class woman with a voice, who likely has romantic and sexual opportunities and experiences up the wazoo, whose only experience of that kind of loneliness was perhaps the pandemic, but even then she was likely well connected enough to be able to seek comfort whenever it was necessary.

Oh hey, what do you know? She's got a wife, and a child.

Who she spent the pandemic with, living together in their apartment and says that it was "So good I missed her when she went to the balcony".

Who's also written an article in the very same newspaper about how couples are positively joyful when they speak about "we" as a couple.

Not to mention she's incredibly privileged in many other areas too.

What a crock of hypocritical self-interested lying manipulative bullshit.

[–]Lonewolf_087 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I open my Bible a lot more than I used to. And when I read the descriptions of Roman life and compare them to things like this my jaw hits the floor. We are living in those times. My personal struggle with relationships has actually brought me back to my faith more than ever because it's the only thing that makes any sense out of this entanglement of problems with our society. The Bible actually talks about how a lot of these things are dangerous (hypocrites, stories of grandeur and lust, greed, prostitution, public shaming and humiliation, narcissism, etc) and the strong seek their faith in God because counting on other people isn't ever a safe bet in dark times. What people don't realize is how far they are tearing not only into their own lives but into the lives of other people by practicing these double standards. They are rooted in self and not in good will.

[–]bottleblank 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not a religious man, so I suppose for the sake of this comment you could consider me a humanist (although I don't claim to be one, or follow a particular doctrine, merely in contrast to a theist).

In taking that approach, I believe we should be good humans to ourselves and to others. I think we should consider our own needs, but be aware of those of others. I need no god to conceive of the idea of a better, more caring, more cohesive, more socially productive future, based on the idea of appreciating what we can all each contribute, be that materially, emotionally, or otherwise. I'm not naïve enough to believe in a time where no bad humans exist, of course, but there are a lot of people out there who don't even know they're hurting others, not on purpose, but by blind adherence to unreasonable ways of life, sometimes preached to them by others who would exploit them.

As such, I agree, I don't think we should be pushing in this individualistic, profiteering, exclusionary direction, where everybody is out for themselves, demanding special treatments of benefits above and beyond, hypocritically keeping others down in order to advance their own ends. I don't necessarily have a problem with a democratic capitalism, provided there are appropriate rules and limits to prevent abuse, but socially, especially, we seem to be going in a very concerning direction.

[–]DMFan79 24 points25 points26 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The author of the article claims it's a problem related to education... of men. Not even once she tries to involve women in the picture.

But who is educating these men? Most teachers are women, so maybe, at least during the life time spent studying, women should be considered part of the problem?

Then again, do we really want to believe that so many men are taught to be emotionless loners?

And even if we take that theory for granted, how can we forget that the interaction with the other sex must have an influence on how men grow up this way?

To me, this is just an example of "toilet paper article".

[–]sawlight 22 points23 points24 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

>"they’re just taught from a young age that emotions are for girls "

In what world or what time are they living in ? Everyone from school to parents to media to movies etc. is teaching boys to express their emotions, to be more feminine, that men are bad.

Literally the first sentence of the article is a false assertion with no example to back it up.

[–]PriestKingofMinos 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I strongly agree. As a young adult I can say that my teachers, family, coworkers, and even strangers have all been very vocal about how expressing myself and sharing my feelings is a good thing. As a little kid I remember watching a child's TV program where it was explicitly stated that its okay for boys and men to cry. I get that I'm a sample size of one and there may be other contrary experiences here.

If we were living in the 1940s or 50s they would have a much stronger argument. But, we've undergone two generations or more of feminization. Most public school teachers are women, more boys than ever are raised without a father, and many people are seeing therapists. The net impact is a bunch of aimless young adult and mature adult males. Their "solution" is to double down on the ideas that got us here or try to condition men to accept lonliness.

[–]bottleblank 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In what world or what time are they living in ? Everyone from school to parents to media to movies etc. is teaching boys to express their emotions, to be more feminine, that men are bad.

You can say it until you pass out from being too busy talking to remember to breathe, but as long as society continues to show men that their emotions are invalid, that they're not allowed to be emotionally open and that if they try then they'll get dumped, insulted, shut down, and pushed away, it will continue to come across as disingenuous lies.

I can say that if you stand in the middle of a busy highway you'll get superpowers. But when you observe the reality is that you'll get smeared across the road, you're not going to do it, and you're going to think I'm trying to kill you. Obviously. Because what I'm saying doesn't match the reality.

[–]63daddy 17 points18 points19 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Authors keep twisting this. Marriage and relationships in general benefit women. More men, young men especially would rather be single. These articles ignore the fact many men prefer being single to being in a biased marriage.

These articles are selling loneliness in an attempt to get men to marry down and provide for women. Don’t buy it. There’s nothing wrong with men deciding to be single and/or put off marriage to enjoy life on their own for a while.

[–]lifesuckswannadie -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol.thjs isn't what's happening. These men are starved of sex and intimacy and they're getting depressed and angry.

Most of these men are not choosing this. And women don't want them either that's the problem

[–]JollyFawn90[S] 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it’s a mix of both. Whatever the reasons though it’s detrimental in sustaining a healthy society.

[–]Equal-End7695 33 points34 points35 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Erm, that consensus covers way more than young men. Denmark is begging its males to have sex now. Their population is dwindling, and men aren't interested in relationships or marriage because of the feminist cancer.

[–]shit-zen-giggles 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The travel agency advertisement was years ago.

Just to clarify that it was neither the government nor now

[–]Standard_Web_4937 20 points21 points22 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Young men are waking up to the reality of women plain and simple, the info that is out there now mixed with the experiences these young men are having with women

[–]JollyFawn90[S] 15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. This author would never admit that men are checking out because the society feminists have created for men leaves much to be desired. Why get in a relationship or get married when there are so many downsides for men. But nah,it could never be that, it’s just the fault of the “Patriarchy,” again.

[–]Early-Department-234 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The idea of traditional marriage for working-class males is gone, yet working-class males are expected to provide via taxes to pay for female entitlements.
Remember that the Twitch streamers who make bank showing their private parts to simps for cash rarely pay their fair share of taxes.

[–]Surv1ver 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bullshit article. It gives no definition of what patriarchy is, which means that it doesn’t have any logical arguments for how loneliness among young men is the fault of the patriarchy. It’s just pandering to an in group who project their own personal definition of what the patriarchy is and isn’t into. I could copy past most of the article and just change “patriarchy” to “matriarchy” and it would be equally valid for a new in group that I want to pander to.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

See also the current LWMA thread about this article.

[–]hendrixski 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There are a lot of great discussion threads on there. Wow!

[–]PriestKingofMinos 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This isn't a result of the patriarchy, its the result of our gradual feminization of society. The Western world has become much more feminized since the 1950's and especially the 70's and its not always been for the better. The feminist explanation is that any and all problems men face are either invalid, or the result of the patriarchy. So, to their way of thinking, if you really took male problems seriously, you'd actually be a feminist. Of course this makes no sense because feminism doesn't actually have solutions for men and many of these problems associated with suicide, the breakdown of normal relationships, and unemployment emerged during or after 2nd wave feminism. Trying to ensure 50% of all engineering students are women won't lower male suicide rates or encourage marginally attached workers to start looking for work again.

[–]TheSpaceDuck 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

By her own logic, society is now more "patriarchal" than it used to be then. Otherwise the resulting number of lonely men would be lower, not higher. Goes to show the amount of insanity in her head.

[–]suj1290 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are sharing men

[–]beansmuch 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When you have a hammer everything is a nail...

Feminists be analysing every single pitfall in society as being due to the "patriarchy". What is the patriarchy supposed to even mean now? Back then it was supposed to mean something like that men ruled society (ie: the politicians mostly men, the wealthiest most powerful people mostly men) and that every man benefited from this because apparently men favor other men and apparently men treat other men better than women.

But even that premise was unfounded because it was out-of-touch women (academics) conjecturing how men operate and behave. We know that that ain't true because most homicide victims are men, most robbery victims are men, most major assault victims are men (ie: if men treated other men better, why do we kill, rob, shoot and stab each other more than we do the same to women?), most homeless people are men, men get longer prison sentences for the same crimes, and so on. If men are rulers, and the patriarchy is true, then wouldn't women be getting higher conviction rates and longer prison sentences? Wouldn't there be extra funding for homeless men? The average man does not experience patriarchy.

So how is blaming the patriarchy even coherent? I don't understand how it even follows. Even if we accept the premise that men are lonely because they don't know how to express their emotions and that this prevent meaningful friendships, how does it follow that this is due to the patriarchy? They just be throwing patriarchy onto everything like ninja stars. And the problem with this is because if you have incorrect analyses then you can't form correct solutions.

[–]mrkpxx 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It’s not patriarchy that’s the problem, it’s feminism (gynocentrism). In addition, she has shown no evidence that her statement is correct.

Her claim: "Men are not naturally stoic." which is false.

Overall, men show more autism.

Simon Baron-Cohen and his colleagues on the topic of "gender differences in the brain":

Article in the issue of the science magazine "Science" (Vol. 310, p. 819):

"Autism represents an extreme form of the male structure." "impaired empathy" and "expanded systemization"

[–]bottleblank 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"impaired empathy"

A lot of autistic people will tell you, rightly so, that this is a highly flawed observation.

It's not a lack of empathy, many can actually be exceptionally empathic, to their own detriment, sucking in bad vibes from everyone and feeling horrible for anybody who so much as wears a slight frown, instead it's a difficulty (lack of understanding of how) to express that in a way that other people can read.

But, of course, nobody would know that, because nobody ever actually asks autistic people. We're not people, we're a group of social invalids, infantilised, spoken about and not with, and opinions, experiences, and feelings being projected upon us by people who observe us from a neurotypical point of view. Which are frequently very very wrong.

[–]mrkpxx 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

That is why one does not speak of “lack of empathy” but of “disturbed empathy”. Even narcissists have empathy but don't show it.

[–]AnonymouslyFlustered 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Just because young men are alone, doesn’t mean they’re lonely. They’re just smart not putting up with this bullshit anymore.

[–]One-Alfalfa-3878 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

i don't know if you can generalize. some don't feel lonely, others might.

but it seems to be healthier nowadays to not give a fuck and not date at all.

[–]AnonymouslyFlustered 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Since I can’t ask each individual, I figure all I can do is generalize. lol.

And yeah, I decided to jump off that dating train five years ago and many things have improved . Finances, mental health, physical health and life habits just seem to be in a better place . Traveling is fun too, specially being single, and knowing I get to flirt with everything cute, especially in Asia. It’s good stuff.

[–]Selvadoc 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well said!

[–]eye_of_gnon 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it's always mens fault

[–]AgeOfReasonEnds31120 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wouldn't men being expected to behave a certain way be... matriarchy?

I agree that's bullshit, but it's not patriarchy, that's for damn sure.

[–]CM_4321 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What a miserable bitch lol she’s getting no dick

[–]lifesuckswannadie 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She probably has 100 dicks she could call on command.

Men are so desperate right now, don't kid yourself

[–]One-Alfalfa-3878 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yes it's a sad state of affairs and the biggest issue.

[+]Usual-Leopard-9102 -7 points-6 points-5 points 3 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

This is true men are agresive and atack each other and dont support each other. Most will rather simp for some women then have a nice time with their mates. I see it here so often. Just ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK.

First men need to learn to be nicer to each other and care more for each other. But will never happen saddly.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Woah you sound like a deranged Nazi Military Commander in Hitler’s Bunker circa 1945. Especially when you capitalized the word attack. You should actually get some help before you burst a blood vessel in your rant.

[–]arrouk -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Well done proving the point.

The comment says men need to be nicer to each other. You call him a nazi.

[–]Usual-Leopard-9102 -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

"Perhabs im wrong" but yeah i get directly atacked for no real reason. The weird part is i talked about them beeing agresive and how he twisted it. I guess its projection

[–]arrouk 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I mean your comment was way ott also

[–]Usual-Leopard-9102 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

ott ? i dont know what that means ?

[–]arrouk 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Over the top

[–]Usual-Leopard-9102 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Ah thanks....what wait but the thing i got was even harsher than what i said. And i wanted to say that i get treated like that. But i even got treated worse lol Its weird.

Yeah but thanks for your input

[–]arrouk 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Have a look back, you both got down voted because both were a shitty take.

[–]Usual-Leopard-9102 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

But its true

[–]AndyBrown65 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She certainly has a lot of hate issues, and seems obsessed about running men down.

Has she ever been formally diagnosed with any thing?

[–]Early-Department-234 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm gonna say it again.

In Canada, when that pickup artist turned religious nutbag hosted a meetup inside bars in Toronto and Montreal, the billionaire-funded private and government media went on a smear campaign on a guy who barely had 20,000 Twitter followers at the time.

[–]Anton_Ushanka1981 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is every online news article nowadays Full of woke crap (especially in bio of journalist)

I shall go back to living life in middle of Eastern Europe now

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