This is the 'male ally guide' for a radical feminist movement. There are men in this movement, and they've clearly been brain-washed into self-loathing. Is there any way we can save their lost souls?

sulfura3 · 2013-09-13T09:01:35+00:00

I stopped reading at point number 3

The culture we want to move into will be women-centered

That pretty much says it all. This group does not want equality, they want a matriarchy.

Angry_Angerson · 2013-09-13T11:11:51+00:00

The culture we want to move into will be women-centered: we should move in this direction ourselves

Ah, yes, the quest for equality.

2013-09-13T16:13:08+00:00

"Learn to be silent, hold back…"

The first sentence says it all: you are filthy, tainted, inherently evil. Even if you thought you were a 'good' person it was a lie. But don't worry, there is a cure, and it's name is feminism.

Jesus fucking Christ, through in an alien overlord or a talking snake and you have the makings of a watertight religion there.

We have to accept that people are allowed to be wrong, and we should respect people but not dogma. We should see male feminists as lost boys, the poor wretches hate themselves more than we ever could so we should lead from example. When they see we are not a herd of masturbating goblins, and just a bunch of people that want real gender equality they will start to question their 'betters'.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2013-09-13T16:15:25+00:00

Alright I'll give this article a fair read.

As a class, men have developed an entrenched system of power called patriarchy in order to naturalize exploitation of women’s bodies, labor, time, children, and so on.

And done. More of the same gibberish.

lazlounderhill · 2013-09-13T16:57:55+00:00

Keep your mouth shut and/or bite your tongue.
Speak only when spoken to. Feel free to disagree, but then agree that you're wrong.
Women come first, you always come last. We want an openly gynocentric society, not a closeted gynocentric society. Willingly accept your subservient status in society.
Don't speak with authority about anything women experience, regardless of whether or not you share that experience. Again, speak only when spoken to and do not reveal your thoughts or feelings.
Stop acknowledging the existence of the male gender in language.
Suppress and Deny your sexuality, if you can't purge yourself of it altogether.
Men should not occupy space, unless invited or ordered (by women) to do so.
Avoid establishing friendships or enjoying the company of other men, unless it is sanctioned by a woman.
Keep your mouth shut.
Don't whine or complain if you are abused, victimized, exploited, subjugated, disenfranchised or enslaved - because you have a penis and everything bad that happens is your fault.
Don't speak to women directly, get to know and understand women through feminist literature only.
The existence of your penis means that you are a harasser and violent predator by default. Avoid women, because your are not safe to be around and you are a scary monster.
Don't offer to help, if you see a woman in need of help or distress, don't help, wait to be asked for help. Follow the directions of your leader.
Don't do this and you won't be a "good guy". Do this but don't think this makes you a "good guy", because you can never be a "good guy".

ZimbaZumba · 2013-09-13T12:14:31+00:00

Mind boggling and reads more like etiquette advice from a dominatrix. There is some psycho-sexual BDSM thing going on with these guys.

CosmicKeys · 2013-09-13T12:17:29+00:00

Uhhh... I think this broke me. Too much, too horrible, I can only imagine how much they hate themselves for the benefit of women who wouldn't give them the time of day.

Orderofsarcasm · 2013-09-13T09:31:19+00:00

They could have just said "Men, just sit down,shut up and don't watch porn."

AgentCircle · 2013-09-13T15:16:25+00:00

I just found this post so heartbreaking. That these men almost seem to assume the role of abuser because why? Women told them so? Seeing people view themselves as monsters or say that their pain as irrelevant even when they have done absolutely nothing wrong just makes me want to hug them more than anything else. It's honestly less about my issues with feminism at this point, I just want to let all these men know that there is at least one person out there will love them, respect them, and not view them as default abusers and bruisers. They are men, they are people and they worthy of love and care without having to earn it. No questions asked.

femdelusion · 2013-09-13T09:31:00+00:00

This is how I see things. There are strong motivators for men to be feminists, but for me the biggest is reaction formation. One of the hardest things to come to terms with as a guy are the dark aspects of your personality. Everyone has racist thoughts. Everyone has sexist thoughts. Everyone has violent thoughts. But these things are hard to grok, especially if you have an unstable sense of self. Surely only a bad person would have these thoughts, right?

Enter feminism and 'progressivism' more generally. Here there is a chance for you to garner moral credentials so as to convince yourself you're fighting the good fight, and that you're really a good person. By saying how Zimmerman 'racially profiled, stalked and murdered an innocent boy', you get to prove how non-racist you are (ironically, by being racist and having nothing but contempt for due process). By saying how terrible it is that Dawkins talked about getting fondled by his teacher as a boy and was not sufficiently censorious in his tone, you get to prove how terribly concerned you are about the suffering of children (when the reality is that you're telling someone how they ought to feel about something rather than listening to them). By defending Adria Richards' childish and immature behaviour, you get to show how for real you are about combatting sexism, real or otherwise. And therefore you are one of the good ones. You're not like them other men; you're a good one.

And this is the main reason for me why it's something that hits young men. When you're young, not only do you not know shit, you don't have an idea of who you are. You don't have that stable sense of "I'm a good person" to fall back upon. This is even more so now that boys are growing up with a dearth of positive messages about men, and often without any positive male influences. So the emotional need to distance yourself from other men is massive.

In the face of that emotional driver, reason is useless. You can't remove by reason something that wasn't put in there by reason in the first place, as the saying goes. Ultimately, male feminists just have to wrestle with their own demons, and it's down to them as to whether they ever will.

What I think the MRM should do is continually emphasise the positive roles men play, which frequently get overlooked. Here's a charming, viral story that was on the BBC yesterday that's a perfect example of everyday masculinity. We've all done very similar things ourselves - helping strangers change tires, giving strangers push-starts, breaking up fights, etc., and yet we fail to notice these things about ourselves, concentrating only on the darkness. In trying to build up a sense of the positive aspects of masculinity, young men will start to recognise such things in themselves and feel positively about who they are, lessening the need for reaction formation.

achshar · 2013-09-13T12:55:08+00:00

The third point is so bullshit. I thought feminism was about equality.

s1500 · 2013-09-13T14:12:36+00:00

Every vampire needs their thralls.

2013-09-13T12:24:27+00:00

The only soul you have the power to save is your own. Even if you did open a door for these men, they would have to choose to walk through it. And good luck with that.

SacreBleuMe · 2013-09-13T18:48:52+00:00

So sit down, shut the fuck up, and do what the women tell you to do like the obedient little servant you should be.

1 Timothy 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;she must be quiet.

willtron_ · 2013-09-13T21:38:18+00:00

Check out the rest of the site. They're nuts. They're basically a feminist, pro-environment, anti-society movement.

Deep Green Resistance is an analysis, a strategy, and the only organization of its kind. As an analysis, it reveals civilization as the institution that is destroying life on Earth...

The goal of DGR is to deprive the rich of their ability to steal from the poor and the powerful of their ability to destroy the planet...

So while DGR is about fighting back, in the end this organization is about love. The songbirds and the salmon need your heart, no matter how weary, because even a broken heart is still made of love...

That whole 'male ally guide' aside, this site is some internet gold.

http://www.deepgreenresistance.org/who-we-are/about-dgr

anonlymouse · 2013-09-13T14:57:45+00:00

Not immediately, no. The best we can do is collect data and spread it out to people who are on the fence about feminism. Make it clear where feminists lie so that the majority of the population is less likely to support them, and from there weaken their stance. Once the feminist movement is much weaker, there won't be the same incentive for men to support it, and gradually they'll leave.

2013-09-13T11:36:58+00:00

Valerie Solanas had a good name for these kind of men - turds.

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